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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
Why oh why does he think he is the answer to all the problems this country faces......continously calling for a general election.

This has all come about because of mps expenses....ALL mps are involved the lot of them should be kicked out

All the pigs had their noses in the trough.

Probably because if there was an Election, he would win hands down - so let's have one!

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
Why oh why does he think he is the answer to all the problems this country faces......continously calling for a general election.

This has all come about because of mps expenses....ALL mps are involved the lot of them should be kicked out

Gordon will have no one to kick out soon at the rate they are abandoning a sinking ship.

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
Probably because if there was an Election, he would win hands down - so let's have one!

and having a conservative government would solve what

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
Probably because if there was an Election, he would win hands down - so let's have one!

and having a conservative government would solve what

Oh dear here we go. Look I am a Conservative, I vote Conservative. The current shower are a waste of space, that is all.

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
Probably because if there was an Election, he would win hands down - so let's have one!

and having a conservative government would solve what

Oh dear here we go. Look I am a Conservative, I vote Conservative. The current shower are a waste of space, that is all.

why so defensive it was a simple question....after what the tories did for this country and its citizens during the 80s I think its a fair question.

I am sorry if you feel you are being attacked

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:

why so defensive it was a simple question....after what the tories did for this country and its citizens during the 80s I think its a fair question.

I am sorry if you feel you are being attacked

Not defensive at all and I certainly don't feel I am being attacked

Well, he certainly couldn't cause any further damage than Labour, over the last 12 years, have created.

Personally, in the current situation, I wouldn't want to take over the helm.

Gordon Brown has this in common with me and Mrs Ostrich when we come back from Ikea:

no matter how hard he tries, he can't put a cabinet together

boom tsch

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Originally posted by Bigdaddyostrich:
Gordon Brown has this in common with me and Mrs Ostrich when we come back from Ikea:

no matter how hard he tries, he can't put a cabinet together

boom tsch

This is a man who got his bike nicked from outside Tesco because he 'secured' it to bollard which allowed for the chain to be slipped over the top.

I shall say no more..

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
Why oh why does he think he is the answer to all the problems this country faces......continously calling for a general election.

This has all come about because of mps expenses....ALL mps are involved the lot of them should be kicked out

Tories = evil. Fact.

I know its all a big mess but Gordon Brown is not the cause of the problems. The expenses system was already in place and the global economy was heading for a fall before he even came to power. A complete change of government is not the answer whilst theres all this going on.

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Originally posted by tupps:
This is a man who got his bike nicked from outside Tesco because he 'secured' it to bollard which allowed for the chain to be slipped over the top.

I shall say no more..

Brilliant.

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Originally posted by HyacinthB:
Well, he certainly couldn't cause any further damage than Labour, over the last 12 years, have created.

Personally, in the current situation, I wouldn't want to take over the helm.

Precisely Hyacinth

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Originally posted by eleven of nine:
Tories = evil. Fact.

I know its all a big mess but Gordon Brown is not the cause of the problems. The expenses system was already in place and the global economy was heading for a fall before he even came to power. A complete change of government is not the answer whilst theres all this going on.

I'm not thinking of the 'expenses' fiasco. I was thinking more along the lines of the fact that Gordon Brown was the Chancellor for 10 years and he allowed the bankers to carry on knowing full well we couldn't sustain the greed and borrowing.

It was all bound to end in tears and it did.

As Chancellor, he should have had the foresight to nip it in the bud. In the end we, the British Public, had to bail out these financial institutions!!

IMO he threw the baby out with the bathwater.

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
Probably because if there was an Election, he would win hands down - so let's have one!

and having a conservative government would solve what

Oh dear here we go. Look I am a Conservative, I vote Conservative. The current shower are a waste of space, that is all.

why so defensive it was a simple question....after what the tories did for this country and its citizens during the 80s I think its a fair question.

I am sorry if you feel you are being attacked

.... and after what labour did for the country in the seventies.... hence thatchers landslide victory in 1979.....

but getting back to the present 2009, nu labour carried on the tory policies that everyone abhors, but not very effectively.

they lived on the good times, claiming the credit. ignoring warning signs from at least 3 years ago from some money market folk, they thought upward trends were forever - and as all trends have their day - housing collapsed as the ninjas unfolded and the foreclosure signs hit america - as i say they ignored - but did they really think that it would all last until they called an election?

... and not forgetting the sell out of employment laws to europe......

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
Why oh why does he think he is the answer to all the problems this country faces......continously calling for a general election.

This has all come about because of mps expenses....ALL mps are involved the lot of them should be kicked out

cos he's a desperate little weasel

I think he's worth a shot...the bloke in charge now aint doing all that good job imo

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
Probably because if there was an Election, he would win hands down - so let's have one!

Oh yes!

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
Probably because if there was an Election, he would win hands down - so let's have one!

Oh yes!

Morning

I'm too tired to defend my views today squiggle, so I will just say Vote Conservative and leave it at that

how can we have confidence in a party that is falling apart and has all the controversy that has surrounded it lately.

I say conservative too

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:
Probably because if there was an Election, he would win hands down - so let's have one!

Oh yes!

Morning

I'm too tired to defend my views today squiggle, so I will just say Vote Conservative and leave it at that

I agree LL, I cannot be bothered to argue the point back and forth, I've got a life to lead But that point of view Tories = evil, really makes you

Hope its a lovely morning where you are Lassie, bit cooler here which is suiting me, easier to sleep last night

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Originally posted by squiggle:


I agree LL, I cannot be bothered to argue the point back and forth, I've got a life to lead But that point of view Tories = evil, really makes you

Hope its a lovely morning where you are Lassie, bit cooler here which is suiting me, easier to sleep last night

Oh I know

It's very cloudy and muggy here and looks as though the heavens are about to open. Hope so, as it will clear the air a bit. Hope it's nice where you are

Do you know what guys if they feel you have to ARGUE about the reason the TORIES should get in then carry on.......

The reason for starting this thread was to maybe start a debate on why the Tories feel they are the only ones that could solve the problems of the world...what about the Lib Dems??

thats all

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
Why oh why does he think he is the answer to all the problems this country faces......continously calling for a general election.

This has all come about because of mps expenses....ALL mps are involved the lot of them should be kicked out

That's his job as opposition leader.

There are two approaches to the main problem: the economic crisis. One is for the government to try to spend us out of it, which builds up an enormous debt causing pain and stagnation for several decades, the other is to rein in spending and cut the size of the state, which probably builds up a smaller debt but damages some industries in the long term and individual lives and small businesses in the short term.

Both ways cause a lot of pain and neither is attractive. Brown wants the former, Cameron wants the latter. The decision is better taken now because Brown is building his debt mountain week by week.

cant stand him either

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hence thatchers landslide victory in 1979.....

Thatcher did not achieve a landslide
victory in 1979.

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Originally posted by Liverpoollass:


It's very cloudy and muggy here and looks as though the heavens are about to open. Hope so, as it will clear the air a bit. Hope it's nice where you are

Its pale blue sky with a few clouds, looks like it might be nice later and as I said cooler which is nicer.

You know my friend in Canada that you were kind enough to give me advice about, well I had an email from her this morning and she is certainly sounding happier. Can you believe she has been feeling intimidated about going out onto her deck to smoke in case 'they' are watching and judging her We have both been buying new lipsticks to cheer ourselves up! Girls, what are we like

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
Why oh why does he think he is the answer to all the problems this country faces......continously calling for a general election.

This has all come about because of mps expenses....ALL mps are involved the lot of them should be kicked out

That's his job as opposition leader.

There are two approaches to the main problem: the economic crisis. One is for the government to try to spend us out of it, which builds up an enormous debt causing pain and stagnation for several decades, the other is to rein in spending and cut the size of the state, which probably builds up a smaller debt but damages some industries in the long term and individual lives and small businesses in the short term.

Both ways cause a lot of pain and neither is attractive. Brown wants the former, Cameron wants the latter. The decision is better taken now because Brown is building his debt mountain week by week.

Well put Daniel J

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
Do you know what guys if they feel you have to ARGUE about the reason the TORIES should get in then carry on.......

The reason for starting this thread was to maybe start a debate on why the Tories feel they are the only ones that could solve the problems of the world...what about the Lib Dems??

thats all

I think Lib dem possibly and conservative but definately not labor anymore.

i suppose lib dem arent coming accross as strongly with their policies as much as conservative.

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
The reason for starting this thread was to maybe start a debate on why the Tories feel they are the only ones that could solve the problems of the world...what about the Lib Dems??

Without proportional representation, it is very unlikely the LibDems can convince enough people to give them power. A coalition is another possibility, perhaps with yet another promise to move to proportional representation later. The Tories are just being realistic. We have a two-party system in the UK, and even with NuLabour's fundamental incompetence, they have a lot of core support.

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Originally posted by squiggle:

You know my friend in Canada that you were kind enough to give me advice about, well I had an email from her this morning and she is certainly sounding happier. Can you believe she has been feeling intimidated about going out onto her deck to smoke in case 'they' are watching and judging her We have both been buying new lipsticks to cheer ourselves up! Girls, what are we like

Oh that is good news squiggle I did reply to you in that thread, but it dropped off the page. Hopefully, things will begin to pick up for her and there is nothing like buying a new lipstick

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Originally posted by RZB:

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hence thatchers landslide victory in 1979.....

Thatcher did not achieve a landslide
victory in 1979.

The Tories scraped in, didn't they? She wasn't advocating a radical change in economics then either. She probably wouldn't have got in if she had.

Just to remind those with short memories. This country went into recession in the early 90s. Major inherited an economy on the slide from Thatcher. Have we forgotten 'Black Wednesday'?

Boom and bust is by no means simply a Labour 'phenomenon'.

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The Tories scraped in, didn't they?

a majority of 41 is not a landslide.

It was the 1982 election the landslip was achieved.

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Originally posted by squiggle:

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Originally posted by Daniel J*:

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Originally posted by Lockes no 1 fan:
Why oh why does he think he is the answer to all the problems this country faces......continously calling for a general election.

This has all come about because of mps expenses....ALL mps are involved the lot of them should be kicked out

That's his job as opposition leader.

There are two approaches to the main problem: the economic crisis. One is for the government to try to spend us out of it, which builds up an enormous debt causing pain and stagnation for several decades, the other is to rein in spending and cut the size of the state, which probably builds up a smaller debt but damages some industries in the long term and individual lives and small businesses in the short term.

Both ways cause a lot of pain and neither is attractive. Brown wants the former, Cameron wants the latter. The decision is better taken now because Brown is building his debt mountain week by week.

Well put Daniel J

so really (if I catch your drift) is that Cameron would cut public spending ..the nhs...benefits system etc

Reshuffle my arse.

Rearranging deckchairs on the Titanic

So he bottled getting rid of a Chancellor who changed the designation of his second home four times in four years.

Every business that follows the Chancellor’s tax code, every individual feeling the squeeze when they give £2 to the Treasury for each £1 of petrol in their car, will remember that all the money goes to a good cause. Paying for the stamp duty on Alistair Darling’s third residence.

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Reshuffle my arse.

Later.