Compulsory Measles Vaccinations

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Yogi19

According to BBC Breakfast, there will be a motion at the next BMA Conference, to introduce compulsory measles vaccinations for children. The motion suggests that parents who do not comply, should be unable to send their children to state schools. Apparently, this already happens in some other countries.
I just wondered what FMs thought about the idea?

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serignhugrfMember

I can see both sides *sits on fence* and thanks God that I don't have my own kids to have to make these decisions about.

6/3/091:16 AM

BBBSMember

as long as they allow for single vaccinations instead of forcing the mmr on them then its fair but they would have to allow the single vaccinations on the nhs rather than forcing parents who dont want to use the mmr to go private.

6/3/091:22 AM

angelicarwenMember

My daughter is getting her MMR tomorrow.

I have agonised about it for months. It's so difficult

6/3/091:25 AM

Raggy♥DollMember

quote:
Originally posted by angelicarwen:
My daughter is getting her MMR tomorrow.

I have agonised about it for months. It's so difficult

I dread it, but I will have her get it. The separate injections should be available on the NHS imo.

6/3/091:26 AM

Raggy♥DollMember

quote:
Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:
as long as they allow for single vaccinations instead of forcing the mmr on them then its fair but they would have to allow the single vaccinations on the nhs rather than forcing parents who dont want to use the mmr to go private.

Agreed, privately they are hundreds of pounds each. Impossible for most people

6/3/091:27 AM

BBBSMember

quote:
Originally posted by Raggy♥Doll:
quote:
Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:
as long as they allow for single vaccinations instead of forcing the mmr on them then its fair but they would have to allow the single vaccinations on the nhs rather than forcing parents who dont want to use the mmr to go private.

Agreed, privately they are hundreds of pounds each. Impossible for most people

it is a disgrace, although some trusts are now allowing it after seeing a big fall in the numbers accepting the mmr but unable to afford single vaccinations.

6/3/091:30 AM

bigdaddyostrichMember

Quite right too.

The whole herd immunity thing relies on everybody getting vaccinated. People that don't immunise their kids put mine at risk, too

6/3/091:33 AM

Yogi19Member 10 years

Thank you for your replies.
My three sons had every available vaccination but the idea of making it compulsory doesn`t sit well with me.

6/3/091:34 AM

DemantoidMember

I don't have kids, but I remember very well how it was normal to catch measles when I was little.
Nobody made a fuss about it, either. In fact, some parents used to deliberately send their kids round to play with someone with measles, mumps, chicken pox etc, so they could catch them and get it out of the way.

6/3/091:37 AM

bigdaddyostrichMember

quote:
Originally posted by Demantoid:
I don't have kids, but I remember very well how it was normal to catch measles when I was little.
Nobody made a fuss about it, either. In fact, some parents used to deliberately send their kids round to play with someone with measles, mumps, chicken pox etc, so they could catch them and get it out of the way.

surely better not to have to have the nasty things at all?

Some key facts about the diseases and the MMR vaccine:

* The MMR programme started in Britain in 1988. By this time, children in the United States had been having the MMR vaccine for over 15 years with no safety problems.
* Worldwide, more than 500 million doses of the MMR vaccine have been given in over 100 countries.
* The World Health Organization says about the MMR vaccine, 'its safety record is exemplary'.
* In the year before the vaccine was introduced in the UK, 86,000 children caught measles and 16 died.
* Because of the MMR vaccine, no child has died from acute measles in the UK since 1992.
* Before the vaccine was introduced, mumps was the commonest cause of viral meningitis in children.
* Because of the MMR vaccine, we are now close to wiping out mumps in children.
* Before the MMR vaccine was introduced, rubella continued to cause terrible damage to some unborn babies.
* Because of the MMR vaccine, we are now close to wiping out rubella.
* There has never been a programme of giving single vaccines against measles, mumps and rubella in the UK.

6/3/091:39 AM

The SecretaryMember

quote:
Because of the MMR vaccine, we are now close to wiping out mumps in children.

Not in Walsall

6/3/091:41 AM

angelicarwenMember

quote:
Originally posted by Raggy♥Doll:
quote:
Originally posted by angelicarwen:
My daughter is getting her MMR tomorrow.

I have agonised about it for months. It's so difficult

I dread it, but I will have her get it. The separate injections should be available on the NHS imo.

Agree

It's just blidding sods law that she is getting it just now when it's constantly in the news. Makes it scarier

6/3/091:41 AM

bigdaddyostrichMember

quote:
Originally posted by The Secretary:
quote:
Because of the MMR vaccine, we are now close to wiping out mumps in children.

Not in Walsall

Bronze Age settlements don't count

6/3/091:42 AM

DemantoidMember

You can die of flu. You can die from all sorts of common, everyday hazards. The number of people who die of these diseases is negligible, compared to the population as a whole. I think there's far too much fuss made about it these days, but it's par for the course in a paranoid society where parents don't let their kids climb trees, get dirty or play outside anymore.

6/3/091:42 AM

Sheep in a JeepMember

My son had all his injections with no probs at all, but when my daughter had her MMR she come out in some allergic reaction, her top of her forearm balloon 3 times the size and it looked as if I had been burnt with a blow torch. Doctors advised that she shouldnt have the booster as they could not guarentee the outcome of it.

Very scary situation to be in now especially with the outbreak here in Wales.

6/3/091:45 AM

Raggy♥DollMember

quote:
Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:
quote:
Originally posted by Raggy♥Doll:
quote:
Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:
as long as they allow for single vaccinations instead of forcing the mmr on them then its fair but they would have to allow the single vaccinations on the nhs rather than forcing parents who dont want to use the mmr to go private.

Agreed, privately they are hundreds of pounds each. Impossible for most people

it is a disgrace, although some trusts are now allowing it after seeing a big fall in the numbers accepting the mmr but unable to afford single vaccinations.

Well exactly, they'd see almost a 100% take up I reckon if they offered some choice instead of your only choice being have it or don't. I'd much rather give my baby the separate injections but no way can I afford it. I would rather she had the MMR than risk her getting measles though.

It's hard.

6/3/091:47 AM

Raggy♥DollMember

quote:
Originally posted by angelicarwen:
quote:
Originally posted by Raggy♥Doll:
quote:
Originally posted by angelicarwen:
My daughter is getting her MMR tomorrow.

I have agonised about it for months. It's so difficult

I dread it, but I will have her get it. The separate injections should be available on the NHS imo.

Agree

It's just blidding sods law that she is getting it just now when it's constantly in the news. Makes it scarier

It does

When I was pg there seemed to be constant stories of people losing their babies, the media terrorise us with this stuff and fill your head so you find it difficult making your own rational decisions.

6/3/091:50 AM

angelicarwenMember

quote:
Originally posted by Raggy♥Doll:
quote:
Originally posted by angelicarwen:
quote:
Originally posted by Raggy♥Doll:
quote:
Originally posted by angelicarwen:
My daughter is getting her MMR tomorrow.

I have agonised about it for months. It's so difficult

I dread it, but I will have her get it. The separate injections should be available on the NHS imo.

Agree

It's just blidding sods law that she is getting it just now when it's constantly in the news. Makes it scarier

It does When I was pg there seemed to be constant stories of people losing their babies, the media terrorise us with this stuff and fill your head so you find it difficult making your own rational decisions.

It's just a difficult subject because they are so precious.

6/3/091:53 AM

BBBSMember

quote:
Originally posted by Raggy♥Doll:
quote:
Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:
quote:
Originally posted by Raggy♥Doll:
quote:
Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:
as long as they allow for single vaccinations instead of forcing the mmr on them then its fair but they would have to allow the single vaccinations on the nhs rather than forcing parents who dont want to use the mmr to go private.

Agreed, privately they are hundreds of pounds each. Impossible for most people

it is a disgrace, although some trusts are now allowing it after seeing a big fall in the numbers accepting the mmr but unable to afford single vaccinations.

Well exactly, they'd see almost a 100% take up I reckon if they offered some choice instead of your only choice being have it or don't. I'd much rather give my baby the separate injections but no way can I afford it. I would rather she had the MMR than risk her getting measles though.

It's hard.

thats the problem, many parents if not given a choice have too many concerns about the mmr to want to risk it, knowing how much safer individual vaccinations are, the result is vast areas of he country where there are many many children who havent had any form of immunisation, surly an outbreak costs more than just allowing single vaccinations on the nhs in the first place? and its not as if they didnt know this was coming given the numbers who were refusing the mmr but couldnt afford the singles.

6/3/091:53 AM

ozzycamMember

Dont think anyone should be forced into making a decision as complicated as the mmr jab.......

6/3/091:58 AM

bigdaddyostrichMember

It's not complicated. There is no link betwen MMR and autism. Simple.

The only decision is whether to immunise your kids against a bunch of nasty diseases, or not.

6/3/092:01 AM

CroctacusMember

The thing doesn't last forever anyway!

I know untold innoculated kids that have had whooping cough.

6/3/092:01 AM

BBBSMember

quote:
Originally posted by Bigdaddyostrich:
It's not complicated. There is no link betwen MMR and autism. Simple.

The only decision is whether to immunise your kids against a bunch of nasty diseases, or not.

you mean there is no PROVEN link at present between mmr and autism, just as for many years there was no proven link between smoking and lung cancer or asbestos and lung diseases, given that the government could ease any fears by allowing separate vaccinations but chose not to isnt likely to encourage them to want to admit to a problem even if they became aware.

6/3/092:05 AM

bigdaddyostrichMember

quote:
Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:

you mean there is no PROVEN link at present between mmr and autism...

Just as there's no proven link between eating turnips and suffering from piles, or haircuts and alcoholic liver disease

6/3/092:17 AM

Yogi19Member 10 years

quote:
Originally posted by angelicarwen:
quote:
Originally posted by Raggy♥Doll:
quote:
Originally posted by angelicarwen:
quote:
Originally posted by Raggy♥Doll:
quote:
Originally posted by angelicarwen:
My daughter is getting her MMR tomorrow.

I have agonised about it for months. It's so difficult

I dread it, but I will have her get it. The separate injections should be available on the NHS imo.

Agree

It's just blidding sods law that she is getting it just now when it's constantly in the news. Makes it scarier

It does When I was pg there seemed to be constant stories of people losing their babies, the media terrorise us with this stuff and fill your head so you find it difficult making your own rational decisions.

It's just a difficult subject because they are so precious.

I feel sorry for young mums, with all the conflicting stories in the media in recent years.

6/3/092:19 AM

Former Member

my daughter is autistic and i can say hand on heart that i dont think its anything to do with MMR if that makes any of you feel a bit better.

6/3/092:32 AM

Comrade OgilvyMember

Does the measles vaccination contain thimerosal ?

6/3/092:47 AM

Yogi19Member 10 years

quote:
Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:
Does the measles vaccination contain thimerosal ?

Found this info - since 2001, thimerosal is not used as a preservative in routinely recommended childhood vaccines, with the exception of some `flu vaccines.

6/3/092:59 AM

Comrade OgilvyMember

quote:
Originally posted by Yogi 19:
quote:
Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:
Does the measles vaccination contain thimerosal ?

Found this info - since 2001, thimerosal is not used as a preservative in routinely recommended childhood vaccines, with the exception of some `flu vaccines.

Well that's not so bad if that is the case.

I am however against the idea of forced vaccinations in general, I think people should be able to choose themselves what to (or what not to) put in their own bodies, or their childrens in this case.

6/3/093:05 AM

Yogi19Member 10 years

quote:
Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:
quote:
Originally posted by Yogi 19:
quote:
Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:
Does the measles vaccination contain thimerosal ?

Found this info - since 2001, thimerosal is not used as a preservative in routinely recommended childhood vaccines, with the exception of some `flu vaccines.

Well that's not so bad if that is the case.

I am however against the idea of forced vaccinations in general, I think people should be able to choose themselves what to (or what not to) put in their own bodies, or their childrens in this case.

I think that`s where I stand too. I`m for vaccinations, in principle ( my sons had them), but it`s this "compulsory" element I don`t like. Maybe I just don`t like being told what to do.

6/3/093:12 AM

Former Member

Well to chuck my two pennorthworth into the mix.

Personally I am against any form of compulsory vaccination programme, as far as I am concerned it is an infringement of human rights.

My grandson is six months old and my son and DIL have agonised over this whole question, and felt very pressurised by the health care workers about this. They asked me what I thought, I told them to look at ALL the info available not just the propaganda from the government and drug companies before making a decision. Patrick Rattigan is a good place to start for anyone who wants a non establishment viewpoint.
They have decided they will vaccinate but not until he is a bit older which I think is the right decision. I don't approve of tiny babies being injected with diseases, I feel they are two young at two months old which is what seems to be happening now.

My two had most of their jabs, but not until they were a few months older than when the medics wanted to do them. The only one I refused was the MMR which had just come in when my son was starting school.
I refused on the grounds that he had actually had mumps and was therefore protected against it naturally, he had also had all of his measles jabs and again was protected. I said they could give him a single jab for rubella if they wanted but they refused.

6/3/093:17 AM

Yogi19Member 10 years

quote:
Originally posted by Veggieburger:
Well to chuck my two pennorthworth into the mix.

Personally I am against any form of compulsory vaccination programme, as far as I am concerned it is an infringement of human rights.

My grandson is six months old and my son and DIL have agonised over this whole question, and felt very pressurised by the health care workers about this. They asked me what I thought, I told them to look at ALL the info available not just the propaganda from the government and drug companies before making a decision. Patrick Rattigan is a good place to start for anyone who wants a non establishment viewpoint.
They have decided they will vaccinate but not until he is a bit older which I think is the right decision. I don't approve of tiny babies being injected with diseases, I feel they are two young at two months old which is what seems to be happening now.

My two had most of their jabs, but not until they were a few months older than when the medics wanted to do them. The only one I refused was the MMR which had just come in when my son was starting school.
I refused on the grounds that he had actually had mumps and was therefore protected against it naturally, he had also had all of his measles jabs and again was protected. I said they could give him a single jab for rubella if they wanted but they refused.

It is the compulsory element of this proposal which concerns me, Veggie. The suggestion that parents, who failed to comply, would be refused a place for their child at a state school, seems very wrong, to me.

6/3/093:30 AM

bigdaddyostrichMember

quote:
Originally posted by Yogi 19:
The suggestion that parents, who failed to comply, would be refused a place for their child at a state school, seems very wrong, to me.

Sounds a bit Nazi, I agree. But unvaccinated kids increase the risk of infection for ALL children, inoculated or not

6/3/093:31 AM

BBBSMember

quote:
Originally posted by Bigdaddyostrich:
quote:
Originally posted by Yogi 19:
The suggestion that parents, who failed to comply, would be refused a place for their child at a state school, seems very wrong, to me.

Sounds a bit Nazi, I agree. But unvaccinated kids increase the risk of infection for ALL children, inoculated or not

surely if thats the case then the vaccinations are worthless then?

6/3/093:33 AM

Comrade OgilvyMember

quote:
Originally posted by Bigdaddyostrich:
quote:
Originally posted by Yogi 19:
The suggestion that parents, who failed to comply, would be refused a place for their child at a state school, seems very wrong, to me.

Sounds a bit Nazi, I agree. But unvaccinated kids increase the risk of infection for ALL children, inoculated or not

Why would it increase the risk to inoculated children ?

Edit: Sorry, didn't notice but BBBS already posted the same point above.

6/3/093:35 AM

bigdaddyostrichMember

quote:
Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:
quote:
Originally posted by Bigdaddyostrich:
quote:
Originally posted by Yogi 19:
The suggestion that parents, who failed to comply, would be refused a place for their child at a state school, seems very wrong, to me.

Sounds a bit Nazi, I agree. But unvaccinated kids increase the risk of infection for ALL children, inoculated or not

surely if thats the case then the vaccinations are worthless then?

not at all. In diseases passed from person-to-person, it is more difficult to maintain a chain of infection when large numbers of a population are immune. The more immune individuals present in a population, the lower the likelihood that a susceptible person will come into contact with an infected individual

More here

6/3/093:36 AM

BBBSMember

quote:
Originally posted by Bigdaddyostrich:
quote:
Originally posted by Big Brothers Big Scam:
quote:
Originally posted by Bigdaddyostrich:
quote:
Originally posted by Yogi 19:
The suggestion that parents, who failed to comply, would be refused a place for their child at a state school, seems very wrong, to me.

Sounds a bit Nazi, I agree. But unvaccinated kids increase the risk of infection for ALL children, inoculated or not

surely if thats the case then the vaccinations are worthless then?

not at all. In diseases passed from person-to-person, it is more difficult to maintain a chain of infection when large numbers of a population are immune. The more immune individuals present in a population, the lower the likelihood that a susceptible person will come into contact with an infected individual

More here

but that isnt what you said, you said inoculated or not.

6/3/093:45 AM

~Orchid~Member

I think it is a good idea to have compulsory vaccinations. I think we have the measles epidemic back now because people have refused to take up the measles jab on the miniscule chance that their child may become Autisic as result of having a combined vaccine.

6/3/093:49 AM

*Pesky-Pixie* (Guest)

I think the parents should be free to choose what injections are given to their kids and when. I so hate all the government interference that seems to be occurring lately regarding our personal freedoms...ie the right to chose how we as individuals live.

That said...all my 3 have been vaccinated against whatever I should have had them vaccinated against. To me it was the sensible thing to do.

6/3/093:49 AM

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