Keys:  "Did you hear the charming Karren Brady complaing about sexism? Do me a favour love."

Nuff said.

I watched the Wolves v Liverpool game... she did a good job I thought. As for the comments they made, alot of football fans do make a joke about women being involved in football. I hear it every game... its all tongue in cheek. Its banter, nothing else... most people who getting up in arms about it are feminists who don't have a clue about football or the banter that goes on inside it.

Of course, its a stupid thing to say when your supposed to be a commentator.

I think they should be sent on one of those soul destroying day-long equality in the workplace type courses

As I said earlier, this wasn't banter. They were deadly serious and showed themselves up for being extremely ignorant.

As for most people who are up in arms about it being feminists, you are right. (Although they may not choose to call themselves that )
Most people with any amount of intelligence and an understanding of gender politics, will understand how stupid the comments were and how damaging these attitudes can be.
Whether they also don't have a clue about Football, that really doesn't matter. Anyone can see that a rule that men can understand, will be just as easily understood by women.

The fact that men like this think the Off Side rule is too complicated for a woman to understand, says more about their lack of brain power, than about women. They obviously struggled with it, for years!

they're a pair of twonks...............richard 'hairy hands' keys and andy 'know it all ' gray........i hope they're both squirming with embarrasment right now..

the female assistant they slagged off was proved correct in her decision...whilst keys and gray were adamant she was wrong........i guess we can safely say she knows the offside rule a little better than them then.......

though of course andy gray is a bit like alan green on radio 5.......thinks he knows everything

Its not the first time they have been involved in something like this... mind you, even this gave me a chuckle.

Pair of twonks, thats all I have to say.


She did a good job in that match getting the particular decisions spot on and it's a shame what them two said is going to overshadow that fact.

Didn't sound tongue in cheek to me, sounded deadly serious

Also, Karen Brady can piss right off... talentless with too much to say, every week shes ranting about something or other. Its ridiculous that a football club chairman is doing a weekly column, she will be having a right go at Grant at the end of the season when they get relegated aswell.

Good to see though that we get a break from the "Take a bow son" quote

I like Karren Brady but the papers sometimes get things right although i'm not sure whether to believe that she tried to get the players to unsettle Grant as alleged?.

Is that a pre requisite for being a feminist then?

Karen Brady is vile, unprofessional and egotistical but it has nothing to do with her gender and everything to do with her aberrant personality. Telling players to rebel against their manager (I assume to make him leave because if they sack him then they have to pay him compensation) sums up exactly what is wrong with her

Actually I am going to upset all my lovely female gagaites now and apologies..


I think women playing football look ridiculous . It is not a game for women to play IMO - having said that I will defend to the death their right to play it but having seen women's football they all look daft.

Sorry
It is only my humble opinion and I am quite willing to be challenged - you won't get an intelligent well thought answer though, just an assertion that it just looks wrong.

Imagine if it had been on the BBC...............

The Brady getting Grant out story doesn't bother me too much... its her stupid rants in The Sun column that annoys me, every week she takes a shot at other clubs and reveals info that shouldn't be let out. Her latest being that "Spurs have lost all credibility"... the only club that has my sympathy is Leyton Orient

That statement will have made Lord Sugar cross but he's too busy Twitter feuding with Piers Morgan (in their weird banter) to notice.


If I was in charge of Sky now I would have James Richardson as a commentator, he was great on Football Italia C4/Bravo's coverage of Serie A and is currently doing podcasts on The Guardian.

Its a good job it isnt in the hands of the BBC, I can hear people now... "I don't pay my license fee for this pile of sh*te"


Was it not ITV that originally have rights to the premier league footage? I remember reading that Alan Sugar was involved in Sky managing to snatch it away from them...

 My SIL has the same objection to women priests - "It just looks wrong"!

I suppose it's just what you're used to seeing, in the same way that people would have been shocked to see a woman doctor, or a male nurse, in days gone by.
Funnily enough, in the US, women's football (or Soccer) took off faster than the male game and boys were accused of playing a girl's game, if they chose to take it up.

I'm not sure whether I would call Karen Brady talentless. The other things she is accused of are absolute necessities in the business world.

Its the wobbly bits - I mean how do you control the bosoms!
My jury is still out on male nurses and yes I know all the arguments.

I am a rubbish PC equal opportunities person

I have a feeling that if Karen Brady behaved in the manner that she does (the manner in which has been mentioned,)  and she was a man, the same kind of remarks would not be made.  Men who are successful in business are go-getters, forceful, ambitious and edgy.  Women who behave in the same manner are labelled mouthy cold hearted bitches with too many opinions and not enough brain cells.  And these kind of comments usually come from snide and bitter men who are pissed off that a woman is doing far better than them in life, or jealous catty women who have not managed to achieve what they want in their lives..and/or wouldn't have the guts to even try.

This is a ridiculous outdated, antiquated attitude that has no place in the 21st century.  Same goes for attitudes that came from these 2 pricks today.  It was not banter, and no-one will convince me otherwise; these men meant every single last word, and they were patronising to the extreme. And you don't have to be a feminist who knows sod-all about football to realise that. 

I am not a feminist at all , and never have been, but I am actually very offended by what they said, because they MEANT it: every last word, and no amount of their pathetic apologies will make a jot of difference.  They can both piss off and take a long walk off a short pier.  Tossers.

Now don't you hold back Sparkles - just say what you think

LOL Issy.  I'm certainly not the only one on this thread who is pissed off though. 

Those of us who don't like Karren Brady are snide and bitter?

Having read your post and ed all the way through it, I have to say that I think you are.

It's not a dirty word, by the way. It just means you believe in the equality of the sexes. 

In answer to Mr M.  No, people who dislike her are not necessarily snide and bitter ... BUT...  I think that people who make nasty remarks about a successful woman, who has worked hard for what they have got, do come across as snide and bitter yes. (To me anyway.)   Because the remarks are unneccesary, and I am pretty sure that of it was a man, the same things would not be said.  JMHO of course.

Edited to say: I didnt mean the comments to be aimed directly at anyone, so I apologise to you Mr M (and anyone else) if it came across that way.  I meant people in general/people I know/have known.  And its JMHO of course.

Well im not snide or bitter... and if it was a male chairman I would say exactly the same, a vice chairman of a football club should concentrate on what their own club is doing. Not making weekly articles which take shots at other clubs through out the league. Its unprofessional and the same has gone on at the club I support with Gary Cooke who is our Chief Exec. Yet every big game we come across he's out there mouthing off how great we are and how sh*t the other clubs are, he's not popular amongst our fans.

Blizzard, maybe I do have a bit of a feminist side then LOL.. but I don't think of myself as a feminist.  I just think that it's awful that these men have this attitude.

Hi again Mr M.  I added some comments to my post after you quoted it and replied.    I'm sorry if I offended you..  it wasnt aimed at you.  Its just I feel that some people who attack successful women and say theyre cold and harsh tend to be bitter because they are a bit jealous.  Not everyone, but certainly some people I know.

Not offended at all Thats your opinion... felt as though it was a shot at those who didnt like her, but my reason is simply because she seems more interested in what other football clubs are doing than her own.

Ref: Meaty
Those of us who don't like Karren Brady are snide and bitter?
*Joins Meaty in the snide and bitter corner with pride* (Just kidding Sparkles, no offence taken) EDIT - just realised as a girly that I should be in the catty and Jealous corner instead!

Issy, if you came and watched a few Ladies games you might feel differently. I love watching Arsenal Ladies or England Ladies, really you don't notice the gender as such, just support the team and the players as footballers rather than women.
Much as I am a feminist (and proud to be so) I don't like seeing women box but then I don't like boxing anyway but I would still support the right of any woman to be able to do this if that is their wish

Could say I would of been bitter all my life and my old man for 35 years... but its for a different reason

LOL thank you Mr M and Veggie.    I did word it badly.  I'm a twat and hang my head in shame.    Bad wording from me. 

Still mean everything I said about those penises off the telebox though!

West Ham United vice-chairman Karren Brady has spoken out in response to sexist remarks made off air by Sky Sports' Andy Gray and Richard Keys.

A recording of Gray and Keys suggesting that female referee's assistant Sian Massey would not know the offside rule was leaked to The Mail On Sunday yesterday.

Keys also made reference to an earlier newspaper column by Brady, wherein she complained about the sexism that exists in football.

Speaking to BBC Radio 5 Live, Brady said: "It makes my blood boil, if I'm absolutely honest.

"What really upsets me is the fact that only females in our industry are judged by their gender. And that is categorically wrong."

The Apprentice star added: "It never would have occurred to me that they had those views, whether public or private, and I'm disappointed.

"It almost makes it worse that they're speaking when the microphones are not on as opposed to when they are on because they'd never really have the brass neck to say it publicly."

However, Keys's sister Susan rang Victoria Derbyshire's show to defend her brother, adding: "He hasn't got anything bad to say about women. I have never heard him making comments before.

"I think it was a bit of banter. I know Richard inside out and he is surrounded by women: he's got three sisters, a daughter and has the greatest respect for women... Perhaps we're all getting a bit precious here."

Keys and Gray have "been stood down" from their duties for tonight's game between Bolton Wanderers and Chelsea and are expected to be replaced for the contest

Why do females want to play football,watch football,I dont get it.
What a gross waste of time and energy.

Don't Loose Women do something similar? Its an hour programme every day taking shots at men

Yes they do Mr M.  And I must admit that when they do make their sexist remarks, it really irks me.  Sometimes I like the 'show' but the sexism aimed at men pisses me off.  And I am honestly not just saying that.

They are dinosaurs Sparkles, there are too many of them in footie tbh. Most of the footie fora are full of men who have those views. My two boys aren't like that as they were raised alone by me and we are all footie mad so they know that any random woman can be as knowledgable as any random man on football.
Where I really get the hump, as I said earlier, is that it is still seen as a bit of a laugh or banter to make sexist comments when they wouldn't dare say similar things that were racist or about someones religion and try to say that those remarks are banter. They really insult our intelligence