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I really don't think she's that bad..there I said it! Yes she's got a nightmare mother, yes she speaks before she thinks, (don't we all sometimes?) yes, she's not the brightest button in the box, but she doesn't ever seem intentionally nasty, she's not manipulative, hasn't fallen for the offers of getting into a showmance.... Overall she seems quite 'real' to me, warts and all

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Originally Posted by Supes:

I really don't think she's that bad..there I said it! Yes she's got a nightmare mother, yes she speaks before she thinks, (don't we all sometimes?) yes, she's not the brightest button in the box, but she doesn't ever seem intentionally nasty, she's not manipulative, hasn't fallen for the offers of getting into a showmance.... Overall she seems quite 'real' to me, warts and all

 

Agreed.

 

Could not understand all the hate and venom from FM's. I did not think she was that bad and by far not the worst HM.

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities
Originally Posted by Scotty:

Her constant plea of foot in mouth innocence is a lie...she knows exactly what she`s doing. She`s trouble. She`s self centred, manipulative and sly. She covers it well with her middle distance look. She cares for no-one but herself and at a push...Mummy.

 

Can`t stand her 

 

I concur with ALL the above

Cosmopolitan
Originally Posted by Baz:
I don't like her ...she is her mother's daughter in more ways than one ...and I don't believe her *foot in mouth* excuses ...I think she knows exactly what she is saying .

Can't agree Baz, sometimes it just tumbles out and she's not clever or manipulative enough to 'hold the thought' and slowly drip the poison elsewhere, (not a bad thing imho.)  I remember when she made the 'foot in mouth' comment asking Hazel if her bf had committed suicide because of her dumping him and Hazel did indignant outrage, stating that no-one had ever suggested anything like that before.. which, on a simple internet search, turned out to be entirely untrue 

FM
Originally Posted by ~Cosmopolitan~:
Originally Posted by Scotty:

Her constant plea of foot in mouth innocence is a lie...she knows exactly what she`s doing. She`s trouble. She`s self centred, manipulative and sly. She covers it well with her middle distance look. She cares for no-one but herself and at a push...Mummy.

 

Can`t stand her 

 

I concur with ALL the above

me too 

FM
Originally Posted by Baz:
I don't like her ...she is her mother's daughter in more ways than one ...and I don't believe her *foot in mouth* excuses ...I think she knows exactly what she is saying .

Agreed.

I think Hazel did nothing wrong this time round, she even tried to de-fuse the situation in the DR, before Charlie kept on at her.

Videostar
Originally Posted by Baz:
We will have to agree to differ , again, I'm afraid Super I think the way she has manipulated Dexter and Callum shows just how scheming she is

Weird..we tend to agree on CDWM! I have no idea how/why she has manipulated Callum and Dexter, imo they have both tried to get her on side in a showmance and involved in their personal hatred for each other, she hasn't bitten

FM
Originally Posted by Soozy Woo:

Three words. Self centred brat.

 

Probably/possibly harmless but these little slip ups are happening a bit too often. She never fails to tell everyone that she's on a bloody journey where she needs to find herself/grow and learn. She's not really learned very muchhas she?

Things is Soozy, she 'sees' things about others, and rather than the more machiavellien ones who hold on to it and play it to their advantage, she lets it tumble out when she's had a drink...doesn't mean she's wrong!

FM
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Baz:
I don't like her ...she is her mother's daughter in more ways than one ...and I don't believe her *foot in mouth* excuses ...I think she knows exactly what she is saying .

Agreed.

I think Hazel did nothing wrong this time round, she even tried to de-fuse the situation in the DR, before Charlie kept on at her.

That'll be the Hazel who wanted to drop it, but kept bringing it up elsewhere?

FM
Originally Posted by Videostar:

It is pretty much common knowledge that Charlie doesn't fancy either of them and won't be interested in seeing either of them after the show, so why doesn't she just tell them outright and end this nonsense?

 

It's all on her IMO.

What, she has to become responsible for sorting their stupid little feud?

FM
Originally Posted by Soozy Woo:

Three words. Self centred brat.

 

Probably/possibly harmless but these little slip ups are happening a bit too often. She never fails to tell everyone that she's on a bloody journey where she needs to find herself/grow and learn. She's not really learned very muchhas she?

This is where I'm at with her as well.

 

It's as if everyone else is a bit part in Charlie's World - and it's all and only about Charlie's World.  Mummy fed that, and now that she's gone the poor princess doesn't understand that no one else gives much of a toss* about her "journey" - they've got their own.

 

*Apart from Callum

Cosmopolitan
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by Soozy Woo:

Three words. Self centred brat.

 

Probably/possibly harmless but these little slip ups are happening a bit too often. She never fails to tell everyone that she's on a bloody journey where she needs to find herself/grow and learn. She's not really learned very muchhas she?

Things is Soozy, she 'sees' things about others, and rather than the more machiavellien ones who hold on to it and play it to their advantage, she lets it tumble out when she's had a drink...doesn't mean she's wrong!

Not wrong  o. But incredibly insensitive and I'm beginning to think it's not quite as accidental as she claims.. there is such a thing as tact we it really isn't nice to simply say what you are thinking regardless of others feelings. On this occasion I do think it was fuelled by alcohol - on a few of the other occasions it really wasn't the case.

 

I actually think that behind that oh so sweet facade she really is quite calculating and not very nice.

Soozy Woo
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by Videostar:

It is pretty much common knowledge that Charlie doesn't fancy either of them and won't be interested in seeing either of them after the show, so why doesn't she just tell them outright and end this nonsense?

 

It's all on her IMO.

What, she has to become responsible for sorting their stupid little feud?

The feud over her?  Yes, she could end that pdq.

Would you want 2 blokes squabbling over you, using you as an excuse for a bust up?  I wouldn't.  I'd tell them both to take a hike - am not interested - and to leave me out of it or else.

 

Simple.

Cosmopolitan
Originally Posted by Scotty:

Her constant plea of foot in mouth innocence is a lie...she knows exactly what she`s doing. She`s trouble. She`s self centred, manipulative and sly. She covers it well with her middle distance look. She cares for no-one but herself and at a push...Mummy.

 

Can`t stand her 

Spot on Scotty (hi btw.  . I fully agree with you and Baz.

cologne 1
Originally Posted by ~Cosmopolitan~:
Originally Posted by Soozy Woo:

Three words. Self centred brat.

 

Probably/possibly harmless but these little slip ups are happening a bit too often. She never fails to tell everyone that she's on a bloody journey where she needs to find herself/grow and learn. She's not really learned very muchhas she?

This is where I'm at with her as well.

 

It's as if everyone else is a bit part in Charlie's World - and it's all and only about Charlie's World.  Mummy fed that, and now that she's gone the poor princess doesn't understand that no one else gives much of a toss* about her "journey" - they've got their own.

 

*Apart from Callum

Thing that always strikes me is their ability, after a row, to reflect and see it from the other persons pov, I think that Charlie can do that, I get no sense that Hazel or Gina can, they think that they're just always bloody right

FM
Originally Posted by ~Cosmopolitan~:
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by Videostar:

It is pretty much common knowledge that Charlie doesn't fancy either of them and won't be interested in seeing either of them after the show, so why doesn't she just tell them outright and end this nonsense?

 

It's all on her IMO.

What, she has to become responsible for sorting their stupid little feud?

The feud over her?  Yes, she could end that pdq.

Would you want 2 blokes squabbling over you, using you as an excuse for a bust up?  I wouldn't.  I'd tell them both to take a hike - am not interested - and to leave me out of it or else.

 

Simple.

MMM, honestly, now, chance would be a fine thing, so maybe Seriously though, let the eejits get on with it in their silly little attempt for a fauxmance 

FM

I don't think either men are after a showmance. Charlie seems to give out a pheromone which they react to and she's a dab hand at pretty girl in need of a knight in shining armour. As Cosmo says, she can put a stop to it by telling them that she has no interest, but, of course, that would take her from pole position to mediocre, so we have to put up with more of this dreary carp.

cologne 1
Originally Posted by cologne 1:

I don't think either men are after a showmance. Charlie seems to give out a pheromone which they react to and she's a dab hand at pretty girl in need of a knight in shining armour. As Cosmo says, she can put a stop to it by telling them that she has no interest, but, of course, that would take her from pole position to mediocre, so we have to put up with more of this dreary carp.

You cannot be serious! (said in the style of John Mc) Tbf she does do damsel in distress but she has no interest in those two whatsover..let's face it,who would?

FM
Originally Posted by erinp:

Dexter did not get involved so a result for me.

Hazel imo did nothing wrong Charlie was in the wrong ,the only HM to side with her was Callum,that's when Charlie ran over and sat beside him.

And then there was Gina.. bloody foul that she wasn't in on the action, said that afterwards... would have loved to see what happened so as she could have put another nail in hazel's coffin

FM
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by cologne 1:

I don't think either men are after a showmance. Charlie seems to give out a pheromone which they react to and she's a dab hand at pretty girl in need of a knight in shining armour. As Cosmo says, she can put a stop to it by telling them that she has no interest, but, of course, that would take her from pole position to mediocre, so we have to put up with more of this dreary carp.

You cannot be serious! (said in the style of John Mc) Tbf she does do damsel in distress but she has no interest in those two whatsover..let's face it,who would?

 I hear it. No, she doesn't, but she gives out the signals because she needs the attention. IMHO.

cologne 1
Originally Posted by Scotty:

Her constant plea of foot in mouth innocence is a lie...she knows exactly what she`s doing. She`s trouble. She`s self centred, manipulative and sly. She covers it well with her middle distance look. She cares for no-one but herself and at a push...Mummy.

 

Can`t stand her 

Much as I love you Scotty, can't agree... waits to be proved wrong!

FM
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by Videostar:

It is pretty much common knowledge that Charlie doesn't fancy either of them and won't be interested in seeing either of them after the show, so why doesn't she just tell them outright and end this nonsense?

 

It's all on her IMO.

What, she has to become responsible for sorting their stupid little feud?


Im sure they wouldn't like eachother regardless but she could make things easier for them in there by telling them both she's not interested, she is stringing them along for her own ends.

Videostar

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