i love a shed
a shed, now your talking i love a shed
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*wipes brow* thank god, oh, oh not that you had a .....oh I'm shutting up now. *zips lips*
LOL - again - don't worry about it
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I'm Millwall not Chelski
A telephone box really would be a squash though
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A telephone box really would be a squash though
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Being obtuse makes it worse.
Do you mean that I was being obtuse? I genuinely didn't understand what you meant! Why was I apparently being obtuse, yet when skylark made much the the same query she got a 
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yet I get accused of being obtuse and a 
......I now think that I do know what you meant: presumably that you think that I was being condescending to other women because I don't want to be referred to as a lady?
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Not with all the windows smashed
And they're made of metal aren't they? Metal can be bent I guess
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I now think that I do know what you meant: presumably that you think that I was being condescending to other women because I don't want to be referred to as a lady?
Yes. It used to be a term of endearment. What on earth is wrong with that? I'm 58 years old and have been through the 60s and the rest. Why slate it? I have done the feminist stuff, the left political, the free of men. Why should I have to be asking for approvement now and deny that I can be a woman and at the same time have objections to the way women are treated?
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Before PC of course.
The world did not exist before me.Et apres moi, le deluge.
I have done the feminist stuff, the left political, the free of men.
And yet you stated earlier that your gender defined who you were seems such a wast of effort for you back then
And yet you stated earlier that your gender defined who you were
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And yet you stated earlier that your gender defined who you were seems such a wast of effort for you back then
Why? It's exactly what I was designed to do and I did it. Reference:
Et apres moi, le deluge.
why PC? the deluge happens all the time, does it not? Reference:
why PC? the deluge happens all the time, does it not?
Because civilisation as we know it will collapse without me. 
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Yes. It used to be a term of endearment. What on earth is wrong with that? I'm 58 years old and have been through the 60s and the rest. Why slate it? I have done the feminist stuff, the left political, the free of men. Why should I have to be asking for approvment now and deny that I can be a woman and at the same time have objections to the way women are treated?
Whoooah....I didn't slate it or question you in any way. (I really have little idea what your last sentence means, but I have tried to interpret it as best I can so as not be accused of being obtuse again!) I said that I personally wouldn't want to be referred to as a lady, nothing personal to you or any other woman who is is happy to be called it. I think the key for me is what the term used to be associated with in the past and what it is often associated with now, like much other terminology it gained negative connotations over the years. That's why I don't like it for me, if you or others do, fine
This thread has got to win some kind of award for containing the most pointless arguments in one thread 
what doyoumean pointless? Put em up. 
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what doyoumean pointless? Put em up.
See what I mean? *looks for boxing gloves* 
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Yes. It used to be a term of endearment. What on earth is wrong with that? I'm 58 years old and have been through the 60s and the rest. Why slate it? I have done the feminist stuff, the left political, the free of men. Why should I have to be asking for approvment now and deny that I can be a woman and at the same time have objections to the way women are treated?
Whoooah....I didn't slate it or question you in any way. (I really have little idea what your last sentence means, but I have tried to interpret it as best I can so as not be accused of being obtuse again!) I said that I personally wouldn't want to be referred to as a lady, nothing personal to you or any other woman who is is happy to be called it. I think the key for me is what the term used to be associated with in the past and what it is often associated with now, like much other terminology it gained negative connotations over the years. That's why I don't like it for me, if you or others do, fine
*Hopes she's not inflaming the situation* but could this be a males and females are equal type of thing (sorry, forgotten the expression) If that's the case, them I go with that thought too. Allthough I do get annoyed when I pull a carpet up from the floor and only get so far because of a stubborn tack/nail Whoooah....I didn't slate it or question you in any way. (I really have little idea what your last sentence means, but I have tried to interpret it as best I can so as not be accused of being obtuse again!) I said that I personally wouldn't want to be referred to as a lady, nothing personal to you or any other woman who is is happy to be called it. I think the key for me is what the term used to be associated with in the past and what it is often associated with now, like much other terminology it gained negative connotations over the years. That's why I don't like it for me, if you or others do, fine
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Because civilisation as we know it will collapse without me.
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This thread has got to win some kind of award for containing the most pointless arguments in one thread
its just been a laugh a minute 
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This thread has got to win some kind of award for containing the most pointless arguments in one thread its just been a laugh a minute
....and on and on it goes... where it stops....Reference:
I think the key for me is what the term used to be associated with in the past
Ok, you obviously mean the Victorian past and not last Centuary's term.Reference:
and on and on it goes... where it stops....
nobody knows. Reference:
could this be a males and females are equal type of thing
Dunno onetoo, but how I see it the term 'she's no lady ' was sometimes used in the past to describe someone who didn't fit the expected norm of a woman being demure, groomed, wearing a pretty frock, someone who didn't express an opinion as men knew better etc. etc. and now the term 'lady' is often associated with all of those things and some, someone who defers to men. That's been intensified by the 'ladette to lady' programme, which I don't watch, but from what I understand tries to teach women who are 'masculine' and 'laddish' to arrange flowers, cook for and wait on men, dress and behave to please them etc....It's just a word but so are so many others that have changed currency because of the derogatory ways that they have been used along the years: the N word; retarded, mongrel, half-caste etc. which some of us, therefore, find offensive
Yes, I think I see what you mean Super. 'Stereotypical' and why does everyone have to be that way
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OMG, did'nt wear a pretty ' frock. What centuary are you in? Blizzie will have your hide for saying 'pretty', unless she only objects to me saying it. 
Not to argue the toss Super but 'lady' has also in the past been used to imply social status superiority. I never took 'lady' to be synonomous with subservient, just my opinion of course.
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Blizzie will have your hide for saying 'pretty', unless she only objects to me saying it.
Is this the start of pointless argument no. 51, of the thread? Just to clear things up, I have no objection to the word 'pretty', just women/ladies/females etc. etc. being expected to look pretty for others.
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Is this the start of pointless argument no. 51, of the thread?
You counting?
I growl every time I hear someone being told that something they've done isn't 'ladylike'.
And I've seen plenty of Lady Gaga's videos.
And I've seen plenty of Lady Gaga's videos.
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You counting?
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OMG, did'nt wear a pretty ' frock. What centuary are you in?
I think that you completely missed the point there Col I used the word pretty on purpose i.e. looking 'pretty' and kinda virginal to please men, so as to become a 'suitable wife'Reference:
Like Cologne.... I come from an *era* when being a *lady* simply meant having good manners, being poiite, and having what used to be called *decorum
But Baz, I'm 49 years old, not far off being 50
and still know what's right and wrong and can say please and thankyou in all the right places, due to what my mam taught me, and still was a tomboy when I was younger 
try livin wiv it`then`come`back`wiv`ya`opinions
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No, just guessing!
Then keep up woman!
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I think that you completely missed the point there Col I used the word pretty on purpose i.e. looking 'pretty' and kinda virginal to please men, so as to become a 'suitable wife'
I did not miss the point soups. The word 'pretty' has followed me around since blizzie picked me up on it. Reference:
Not to argue the toss Super but 'lady' has also in the past been used to imply social status superiority
It was Prom....ladies who behaved 'appropriately' whilst the men retired after dinner to smoke cigars and drink brandy to discuss 'important' rather than 'frivolous' things, go to their club and disappear down some secret underground corridor to shag women who weren't 'ladies'Reference:
But Baz, I'm 49 years old, not far off being 50 and still know what's right and wrong and can say please and thankyou in all the right places, due to what my mam taught me, and still was a tomboy when I was younger
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try livin wiv it`then`come`back`wiv`ya`opinions
lining with what
