I have she said she may have regretted the op because she doesn't seem comfortable with it. She is mentally unstable and I can think of only one reason that might be. Is that a transphobic observation or merely trying to understand exactly what her problem is?

I know what your take on it will be. You have already decided that people don't like her because of her gender change and even though I reposted your comments saying exactly that you still deny you have said the words with YOUR name above them.

lol you couldn't make this stuff up

I aint denied anything I have actually said, just refuse to admit to things I aint. My take on it is why should her anger be down down to surgery, when the fact is there are angry women out there who were born women...what do you blame their anger issues on?

I dont care if people dislike her, I care that people cant seem to have that argument (SOME people) without the mention of her gender.

SO please feel free to point out anywhere I have denied saying something I have actually said.

But you accept that this will happen?

Regardless of her surgery - she is just an incredibly angry person.

Maybe that's because she grew up incredibly frustrated in the wrong body............maybe not .............maybe she's just a fiery woman. Who are we to speculate?.

Don't like her though .........nasty, vindictive person whatever the causes.

And it has been pointed out to you several times that the people who constantly refer to her gender when discussing her negatively are a tiny minority thus nulling your OP completely in which you claim there is a direct link between people who hate her and general dislike of transgender individuals. Those were your words, not mine. In fact people use her gender as some kind of defence when she is being attacked more than they do for actually attacking her. You have got the completely wrong end of the stick, or you know exactly what I'm saying and just won't listen.

By the way I noticed it wasn't you who pointed out the page 15 thread I made a mistake, sorry.

well, yes, but it seems its other people that are unable to accpet this is happening

Yes but it doesn't make it right, nor does it make it ok to condone it.

  It is mimimal , but yes i have noticed this on DS more so. More postings about Nadia is her behaviour and behaviour towards her, from what i have read on this forum.

I never claimed it was a MAJORITY, I think you will find I didnt say anything about numbers in my OP?

I also didnt say everyone who hates Nadia is a transphobic arse?? So not my words at all.

I am also aware you made a mistake, I told you that posts ago.

And you yourself, again prove my point how certain people on here (I dont care if its a majority or minority) can't seem to debate Nadia or her anger issues/other issues without the IT MUST BE DOWN TO HER GENDER!! you have just said as much AGAIN.

There are naturally born women with anger issues, what do you blame that on?

I blame my anger on lack of wine

No one says "I Know Chantelle is blonde, but that's not why I dis/like her"

No one says "I don't like Makosi, but it's not coz she's black"

They just say why they do/don't like them, that's it.  It should be the same with Nadia...the constant harping on just means that they are seeing her as a transgendered person, instead of just a person.

LOL to you no mention of her gender must be made even if it's valid to the conversation and not a put-down. It's the skeleton in the closet, taboo, hush hush, That Of Which We Must Not Speak.

It's part of her life and people will mention it if they think it's relevant, as did I. In no way was it a negative observation except in the mind of The Daily Mail Perpetually Outraged Elite. 

There are negative remarks about her gender on here but they are very few and far between, a fact you simply won't accept because it doesn't suit your Outraged Of Brighton agenda.

I give up I can't even find this thread that everyone is talking about.

I'm not getting that vibe at all, I'm getting the "fine if it's relevant, if it's not relevant why bother mentioning it" vibe.

i agree with you 100% I blame the anger probably on their upbringing and things that have shaped their growing up. In Nadias case she must have had a very frustrating and difficult adolescence being that she was a woman in a mans body. I guess that may have shaped her to some extent but .................I reALLY DON'T KNOW.

exactly no mention of her gender should be made and none of it is valid to the conversation of why you would / would not like her/ hate her etc etc 

That's a defense mechanism Lecs. They have to put a disclaimer for fear of being taken apart by the Transgender Police.

When is anyones gender a valid point in a discussion, please explain?

I'm angry cause I'm a redhead.  I can't help it. 

Nevermind... I found the thread now, god knows how I missed it


Its 8 pages.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH I'm gonna get slaughtered for this but .........................when gender is a real issue in someones growing up then it surely has to be an issue. She grew up as a boy - she always felt female - it must have been hell on earth! it will surely have had an awful lot to do with the shaping of her personality ......................I know that's not very PC but that's how I see it.

She hasn't had the 'norm' in the way of growing up.

That's a valid point.

Yes, I agree it will have shaped her as a person, but to say "shes angry coz she had a sex change and regrets it" is utter bull. (I know you havent said that, but it has been said on here, and its a piss poor excuse of a debate)

They don't.  I had this same argument about Steve.

No one, not one of even THE most hardcore PC, Guardian reading, lefty do-gooder is going to berate anyone for saying "Wow I think Nadia was a bit bitchy there."  

What will get the *ahem* PC Brigade riled is...deliberately and wilfully using the wrong gender and/or the constant dragging it up when it's not necessary.

Pretty sure this thread needs a massive rabbit.  Pretty lacking of, so far. 

Reference: Wasnt me...

Why would you get slaughtered?  It's also not "not very PC"..it's perefctly PC to say that someones upbringing can affect their whole lives.  It's the right-wing that are "I got beaten round the heid with a metal pole, never did me any harm" types

Our whole lives shape us as a person.  I think perhaps discussing Nadia's background within this context is acceptable.

Is that the German guy bateman?  Wasn't it Paul Merton who went to see him on his Europe tour or am I completely wrong?

To be fair to you, you said sorry and I haven't seen you do it again...I also dunno if it was you trying and failing to be a smart ass or if you genuinely hadn't realised it would upset people....I'll give you the benefit of doubt and hope it was the last one.

 Have we finished with cupcakes ?

That would indeed be utter bull, but that's not what I said at all. I cited it as a possible reason for why she's mentally unstable (and she very clearly is). I didn't say it as a fact.

So are you now admitting there are some circumstances where someone's gender can be relevant to discussion without being struck down by lightning from He Up On High?

You've contradicted yourself more times in this thread than an, er, giant contradictory thing that just disagreed with itself.

I remember when Fatdad and I (on a different forum) started posting pictures of cowpats in an argument thread. The pics went downhill from there

That's you through and through, Monsieur Feline. 

please feel free to point out where

No, I said I can see how her gender issues (not her gender) woulda shaped her as a person. Im not much interested in discussing it.

Read your posts in order from start to finish. Read them as though they were written by someone else. Most of your posts are completely at odds with the one you started the thread with.

And if you're not interested in discussing her gender issues, fair enough. It doesn't mean other people who discuss it are evil in some way. You seem afraid of it for some reason.

Can I play devils advocate here..I don't know exactly what meds Nardia will be on but she will be on the likes of exogenous estrogen in combination with progesterone and/or a testosterone-blocker..now if her meds are not balanced right she will be as angry and nasty as any woman when her hormones are all over the place....

actually I think that is not only PC...  but exactly how it is.

The thing that comes through all of that post is that you mentally identify Nadia as a woman, without having to consider it, or correct your thinking.