lol, I am a pedant (.......Sherlock),   , but I don't think it is in this case.  Relative frequency of offensive posts does seem of some significance here.

thanks leccy, but I am now of the opinion that the people who don't seem to believe what has been said (or the number of people that have said it) can do their own looking back or just disbelieve me

should i run it past you what i shoud be offended by bateman? Or am i allowed to make up my own mind how rife i find the nadia bashing?

and now i really am out of here.

Do what you like.  And I do take PC's point on board.  But, to me, when words such as "rife" and "haven" are used then it's important to look at just how frequent such attitudes and posts occur.  And really, I don't think that's an entirely mental thing to say.  If you wrote in a paper that racism (for example) was rife then you'd, not unfairly, be asked by your editor to give some idea of numbers, percentage etc.  Otherwise it's a bit vague and meaningless.  My idea of rampant numbers may be different from other's ideas of popular thought and expression, for example.  I don't think it's nuts. 

Surely one is too many? no?

Pour yourself a large drink Gyps!

There hasn't been as much on here as on DS but that's purely because there are less people over here.

I think getting bogged down in was it 2, 3 or 4 people or X amount of threads is a bit pointless, the fact is some shitty things have been said. I said the other night, I can forgive genuine ignorance more easily than wilful spite.

Why should they look back?  You started this thread. Post the links to prove your point.

I didnt disbelieve you Mono, i said i hadnt seen this "haven of hate" of which you speak. Yes i seen some comments, but i think if you are going to make a thread about it and the behaviour of some FMs , you should know the threads and put a link up, so that others can see for themselves

I'm sorry, Gypsie, it's not about disagreeing with you - it is about what I see as the tabloidisation (apologies for the crap non-word) of language.  Which is relevant - to me.  I'm not interested in what individual has said what here.

Frequently enough, NEALRY all the Nadia threads (there have been many) have turned into some kinda debate about her gender. The rest of your post is like a constant buzzing in my ears bateman.

Its not me that is arguing the fact that more than X amount of people have said X amount of things on X amounts of threads...Ive nothing to prove. There are people on here who do seem to see where I am coming from, there are those that dont/wont because they are part of it, and there are those that just wanna argue the point, and then those who have obviously just overlooked the comments/threads/FMs that I have seen.

I agree.  I don't need to prove my credentials about confronting prejudice wherever it has occurred - even from just one person.  Not that you said that, lmao, but for some reason felt the desire to say it.  

Forums will eat themselves.....

You do know that if he posts links then the people who started the threads/made the posts would moan that he was being a vile jellus bully and singling them out or summat so he can't really win here?

Explain this comment please Mono

which bit dont you get?

I supported Nadia in BB5 and again in UBB, I was disappointed that she went on Friday, although she did show some bad behaviour in the house this time, although whatever Coolio did must have been what provoked her reactions.

Are you insinuating i was part of the hate stuff? I sincerely hope you arent

No need for apologies, as leccy said, stiff drink poured and a bit of perspective.

paranoid, much? where on earth have I suggested that?

Sorry 'bout dat, Mono. 

It would be like the forum oscars all over again.

*joins in* 

I am not paranoid, your comment was  that some on here dont get what you are saying because they are part of it. As i was one who said i hadnt seen this hatred and asked where the threads were, i would assume that comment may have been for me??

I've been thinking (I know don't all pass out at once) but does our need to know everything about everyone well erm is it needed?

When did it start?
And what about the innocents that didn't ask to be in the middle of it all?

sorry totally off topic,

well the comment wasnt all negative, but you assume I meant something shitty towards you. FOr the record, I didnt, just stating a point.

you mean me, dont you

Fair enough Mono

Yes dear, yes i do.

and meee

Don't push it.   

Of course.

*has concluded that everyones nuts*

I dunno what you mean Beamers, do you mean the public feeling like they need to know about Nadia's past?

Yeah Nadia among others.

I can't stop thinking about the little girl of the woman on xfactor that was found to have mental health issues. Everyone in the UK that follows xfactor knows that her mum isn't well, I just wonder  say in 12 years if that will be i thrown up in that little girls face.
Why did we need to know that? Why did they report that? Is nothing private anymore?

Your OP said this forum was a " haven of hatred" against Nadia`s gender. I`m not counting numbers either but your OP does imply that this forum had many fm`s denograting Nadia`s gender. I didn`t see that. In fact, I saw more support and respect on here for Nadia`s gender reasssignment than anything else negative. If I was doubted in a thread I`d started, even by one fm, I`d post the links to prove my point, but that`s up to you.

and I stand by that, as for naming names, or dragging up old threads, I would then, as already stated by leccy be pulled up for being a bulleh or being personal about certain FMs etc...and with all due respect you aint worth the ban that would follow

I agree a lot of stuff that's printed in the tabloid press is grossly intrusive and just not in the public interest...the public might be interested, but that's a different thing.

As for Nadia, there's 2 ways of looking at it...1 is it shouldn't matter at all and it's not our "right" to know...another is that being open about it should (eventually) remove the stigma, raise awareness and perhaps help someone else in a similar situation.

I've just popped back to this thread and noticed Mono's evidence of the haven of hatred and widespread transgender attacks from FM's has now been altered to 'one of the threads is on page 15'.

Page 15? The way you were talking the whole forum was plastered with anti-transexual remarks mocking Nadia now you tell us you have found one thread on page 15?

where have I said that??

and d'ya know what prom...even if it was JUST one thread 15 pages ago.....still one thread too many, you and I both know its more than that, I have seen you in all of them.