was that within the context of her gender though?, I mean I have seen many hms called creatures before

As an interesting (to me anyway) aside, a number of folk who would (rightly IMO) baulk at  criticism of Nadia on the basis of her gender and gender history, will happily slag off John James on the basis of him being a "mummy's boy" - ie not conforming to their concepts of conventional masculinity.

This is no less flawed than the views of Nadia that reference her sex.

Dunno really, you can only guess at peoples motivations based on what you've seen them post before.

Brian reckoned she was like during the filming of come dine with me Brian reckons she behaved the same way during the filming of the UBB trailer and during the filming of Come dine with me. I think she had problems before she even entered the house and even though Coolio was an idiot I don't think he can be held responsible for all her behaviour.

to me calling him that was more to do with his 'spoilt brat' attitude not his masculinity..

o good point

Mmm, disagree with that. 

I hold no torch for any housemate, least of all him - I thought he was a bit of a tool - but I do think there is a lack of self analysis and self-criticism by people (including myself) when they write things.  A lack of intellectual consistency.

No he can't, he didn't help matters though.

Neither did Nadia.

shes a diva who has been knocked of her pedestal, if BB would have given her a true edit in BB5 she probably wouldnt have won it

Some say she was evicted because of Coolio. Others say she was evicted because of Josie or Ulrika. I think she was evicted because she thought she was untouchable after BB5 and she thought she would get another good edit.

I know.  I'm not claiming she's innocent.

Some disgusting stuff has been written about her on this forum, Mono.
It's fine not to like her (I voted for her in BB5, but she's gone way too 'celeb' these days for my taste) but some FMs have used their own bigotry as means to attack her.

What riles me is, these people criticise Nadia and others like her for 'banging on about' their gender issues. But THEY are the ones who can't see past that to the person inside, and all their opinions are coloured by their own prejudices.

I was only saying what was in my head if I used the words mummy's boy'.. .can't speak for what others were thinking.. so can't see how you can disagree with me and my personal head thoughts.. 

and I am not that intelligent so I can't look deeper than what was in my head at the time I may have posted something like that..

tbh I can't even remember if I did post anything like that but I know I thought it whenever he didn't get his way and started off on a rant/strop....

Maybe I`ve missed it but I`ve only seen one maybe two fm`s posting negative stuff about Nadia`s gender and they were jumped on for it. As far as I`ve seen, this forum has shown nothing but respect for Nadia`s gender reassigment.

I find it laughable and utterly gobsmacked that some people in this thread are failing to accept that this forum is rife with people slagging off Nadias gender issues AND calling mono over the top for being offended. Anybody with any morals would be offended. I log in these past couple of weeks and can hardly believe my eyes at some of the shit that is spouted on this forum, so much so that i just log out again. I am too disgusted to try and debate with some ignorant people.

I havent seen it either?? One person made a comment, which was very unlike them and they apologised.

Thats what I was thinking too... it was a criticism of him reverting to a whiny child when things didn't go his way, then wanting to leave and asking for his mummy... He could dish it out but not take it, and had the attitude of an over indulged spoilt little boy... supernanny needed there I think!

I agree with this also....I actually didn't mind her in BB5, however, this time round I really didn't like her at all. Big mistake going back in IMO...

Correct. Obviously I`m not going to name names but there was an fm who had a problem with it. That`s all I`ve seen and I read every thread.

Exactly this, but then these things do have a way of being sensationalized. Internet and all that.

"A jackdaw just shat on my car" quickly turns into "100 seagulls just decimated my car with their putrid faeces"

One might have apologised, another sure didn't.

I called her a screeching harriden in BB5 and she still was in UBB.I dislike her for her behaviour,however I agree the booing and the stupid Davina went overboard on her on her eviction night.I did feel sorry for her.
DS has been terrible with the name calling etc of Nadia.I had an argument with a bloke that kept referring to her as "It".I reported him in the end.

 Exactly Maths.

what about the thread entitled no amount of surgery or something like that? no really there have been loads and loads of thread that have descended into nadias gender issues.

Well maybe you're not reading the same threads, Skylark. There have been some really nasty remarks, and from more than one FM.

I agree with you Gyps, there's been a definite undertone.  I fail to see why people need to bring it up all the time...it's totally irrelevant to the threads half of the time.

Plain English, we're all different we all have different opinions some you'll agree with some you won't.

Ieccy, i agree, it just doesnt make sense to me. If one thread one time got into a discussion about nadias gender then maybe thats just the way the thread went, no biggie. But for it to happen again and again where her name is mentioned, you cant bluff that, there is some people with issues that see the mention of her name as a good excuse to vent at her, or thats how it looks to me.

Possibly, i am not on late at night, when i suspect that a lot is maybe said and i dont read thru every thread. I have been having a look back but cant find anything...but there are so many pages ....

In no way disagree with that.  Describing it as rife seems a bit OTT though?  I doubt any analysis of the content of this forum would throw up a majority opinion that is negative to Nadia's gender reassignment.  Though clearly it is there.

Not done that analysis though, lol, and I guess the word 'rife' is vague enough to be open to interpretation.

*agrees that there have been loads of OTT posts about Nadia, AND lots of HM's*

I've been interpreting the digs at her gender as "ammo" some people feel they can throw at her, cos they don't like her.  Rather than them harbouring a deep rooted objection to transgender peeps. 

And I still am not sure which is worse..   to have the issue with gender and therefore to hate Nadia because of it..    or to hate Nadia, and to then use that against her...  cos they can.

For me the Nadia stuff comes on the back of other stuff posted about other hm's, making me either log out again, or skim read it.   I've found a lot of it too offensive to want to get involved.  I am not a Nadia fan at all btw....   I agree with Croc she is a bitch...   but there was no way I was going to voice my dislike for her, when it would be supporting posts that stank of bigotry & low blows!

I am only posting this now cos it occurred to me that by not saying anything, it must seem like a significant percentage of the forum thinks this way, to our lovely FM Sarum if she is still reading... 
and I can't begin to image how she must feel about this place.

Do you like Nadia Mono?

Yeah, I've been thinking about that, not just in regards to Nadia but other stuff too.

Good post Ditty

Has anyone actually got a link to these threads?

thanks Leccy..    I wasn't around on the forum when BB5 was on...    I'm dead glad I wasn't now! 

As a self outed 'thumb sucker' it was hard not to take personal offence at some of the stuff said about Josie sucking her thumb...     but thumb sucking is not even on the same scale as this, so when I try to imagine how all this must make Sarum feel...    I'm a bit worried about her tbh!

I started a thread about snot the other day.

Am I on the list?