The Living Wage, which starts at £7.20 next April and rises to £9 an hour by 2020, will be compulsory and replaces the minimum wage which is now £6.50.
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Oh joy!( 
) And how much will £9 be worth by 2020?
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Not much I'm guessing, and also the big conglomerates might be able to soak that rise up, but I fear for the smaller family owned businesses and people like that. Will they now have to start paying people off because they can't afford it...well done Mr Osborne and co
Instead of the DWP asking terminally ill what is their expected life span...I wish someone would tell us the expected life span of IDS, Cameron and Gideon....utterly evil 
What was the most galling part of the budget?
Cutting housing benefit for 18-21 year olds? Turning the university maintenance grant into a loan? Tax credit cuts that make sure children are suitably punished if their parents have large, low-income families? The complete absence of any climate change or green issues?
All good contenders, but this mole reckons this is the clear winner:
That's right - it's Iain Duncan Smith, cheering as George Osborne introduces what was disingenuously termed a "living" wage despite being quite clearly nothing of the sort. Oh, and by the way, you won't get it if you're under 25. If you're under 25 your parents should be able to sort you out.
Some might suggest it's a bit gauche to act like you're in a football terrace as your party introduces a series of measures which bring suffering to vulnerable young people, but let us all take comfort. While working class teenagers - and disabled people, and low-income workers - across the country sit wondering how they're going to survive this, at least one Conservative politician is very, very happy.
http://www.newstatesman.com/po...rospect-hurting-poor
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I said this 3 years ago, anyone who studied history and Victorian times would know exactly what this bunch of barstewards intent was...this is about class. Making the rich richer and the plebs poorer. No mention of the tax evasion, living wage in 2020 will be worth £3.99 to the working class family 
and I said working class, not scrounger or benefit cheats...no mention of the millions of benefits that go unclaimed... I'm at a loss as to why we are in this situation, where people are dying because of sanctions and IDS will not as yet release the official figures,,,and then he stands and cheers at even more cuts 
Bunch of tory Bastards! Oh the and the fox hunting bill etc is up for change..yoiks tally ho! Got their priorities right there then..
The Living Wage, which starts at £7.20 next April and rises to £9 an hour by 2020, will be compulsory and replaces the minimum wage which is now £6.50.
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Oh joy!( ) And how much will £9 be worth by 2020?
Probably around £6.50 I'll wager.
i know its not the same thing but similar...
few yrs ago i had a stall at the bullring birmingham
this is before Selfridges & the re-vamp
we were considered as trash
they wanted the place to be upmarket
they put our rents up by a stupid amount
they wanted rid
this is in effect what tories are doing
they want rid of us 'plebs' & want to concentrate on the rich, to try & build country up
they dont realise its us little idiots that keep the country going cos we pay full tax
they are just interested in big names
but i cant think why they dont chase the big names for tax avoidence, starbucks, amazon etc...
they let bankers off for fiddling yet they chase up people for bedroom tax
all they are interested in is being like phoney blair
once out of office lets make a few quid
IDS is a nasty piece of work
he thinks that EVERYONE on benefits is a scrounger
no theyre not
some might be
most are not
and i bet they havent got a commons card to run up £37 for a nice breakfast
and then max it out
even though him & the missus are millionaires
welcome to tory britain
This isn't Tory Britain, Pirate...this is the equivalent to a Tory dictatorship. With nearly full control of the press, it can spew ii's lies and propaganda at will.
We have IDS jumping with glee at Gideons budget...this from a man that thinks the working class and poor are scum of the earth. The same man that lied about his education, the same man who lied about his exam results, the same man who actually has no qualifications.
He married into wealth, he lives on his father in laws estate and doesn't even own his own house, the same man that pays £30 for breakfast and then says it's easy to live on £72 a week and then removes £14 of that if you happen have one spare bedroom. This is a man who was overdrawn on his commons credit card and had it stopped until he paid the bill....and he looks down on the poor, unemployed, disabled, dying and low paid workers.... well, I can honestly say I was proud of my father, he was working class and worked bloody hard all his life...he didn't live off a rich wife, he worked and so did my mother. We had very little, but my parents then fostered two cousins that were going to be taken into care, so my dad worked harder to feed two extra...I can be proud of my dad, you IDS. I would hang my head in shame if you were my father.
Excellent article in on the Independent web site tonight...but bet your bottom dollar the Tory press will be singing the budgets praises tomorrow. There is much more than I hasn't copied and pasted if you want to read it, but read it and weep...because that's exactly what I feel like doing...no hope and no future for the young and poor of this country, I wish someone would bomb the B's, because they are killing the poor.
http://www.independent.co.uk/v...milies-10375972.html
It is a shameless, unmitigated attack on the poor, the young and on families. Today’s announcement will mean that young people who are homeless will have their access to social housing reduced, young families who have just given birth will be penalised, under 25s will be paid less than over 25s for doing the exact same job, and students from poor backgrounds will have their university grants slashed.
In each area, the people the furthest away from the financial crash are being asked to bear the brunt of the establishment’s failures which lead to the economic meltdown. Middle-aged public-school boys caused the crash and yet the government now wants the price to be paid by mothers and teenagers from poor backgrounds who are trying to make something of their lives.
The Budget has outlined that young families will no longer receive tax credits after their second child. Any children born after that will not receive state support. It’s an astounding policy which makes having children a luxury that you have to be privileged to afford. It’s a deeply sinister policy which smacks of eugenics and comes dangerously close to looking as though the establishment is trying to restrict the birth rate amongst poorer people.
And then we have another budget coming up in a few months time..........heaven knows what he'll do there
And then we have another budget coming up in a few months time..........heaven knows what he'll do there
I can only see trouble ahead...it happened in Spain, Greece and Scotland...you can only kick a dog so much before it bites back 
This isn't Tory Britain, Pirate...this is the equivalent to a Tory dictatorship. With nearly full control of the press, it can spew ii's lies and propaganda at will.
We have IDS jumping with glee at Gideons budget...this from a man that thinks the working class and poor are scum of the earth. The same man that lied about his education, the same man who lied about his exam results, the same man who actually has no qualifications.
He married into wealth, he lives on his father in laws estate and doesn't even own his own house, the same man that pays £30 for breakfast and then says it's easy to live on £72 a week and then removes £14 of that if you happen have one spare bedroom. This is a man who was overdrawn on his commons credit card and had it stopped until he paid the bill....and he looks down on the poor, unemployed, disabled, dying and low paid workers.... well, I can honestly say I was proud of my father, he was working class and worked bloody hard all his life...he didn't live off a rich wife, he worked and so did my mother. We had very little, but my parents then fostered two cousins that were going to be taken into care, so my dad worked harder to feed two extra...I can be proud of my dad, you IDS. I would hang my head in shame if you were my father.
Excellent article in on the Independent web site tonight...but bet your bottom dollar the Tory press will be singing the budgets praises tomorrow. There is much more than I hasn't copied and pasted if you want to read it, but read it and weep...because that's exactly what I feel like doing...no hope and no future for the young and poor of this country, I wish someone would bomb the B's, because they are killing the poor.
http://www.independent.co.uk/v...milies-10375972.html
It is a shameless, unmitigated attack on the poor, the young and on families. Today’s announcement will mean that young people who are homeless will have their access to social housing reduced, young families who have just given birth will be penalised, under 25s will be paid less than over 25s for doing the exact same job, and students from poor backgrounds will have their university grants slashed.
In each area, the people the furthest away from the financial crash are being asked to bear the brunt of the establishment’s failures which lead to the economic meltdown. Middle-aged public-school boys caused the crash and yet the government now wants the price to be paid by mothers and teenagers from poor backgrounds who are trying to make something of their lives.
The Budget has outlined that young families will no longer receive tax credits after their second child. Any children born after that will not receive state support. It’s an astounding policy which makes having children a luxury that you have to be privileged to afford. It’s a deeply sinister policy which smacks of eugenics and comes dangerously close to looking as though the establishment is trying to restrict the birth rate amongst poorer people.
You know, ? that's not even the most depressing thing about this, the most depressing thing, is that so many people will rejoice along with the Tories, because they have swallowed ,wholesale the divide and rule ideology that pervades the whole country now.
People with slightly more in the way of education,pay and housing, are gleeful about this attack on the poor, and think it's justified and in fact Osborne should have gone further and faster.
Osborne will be after them too, if there is any doubt at all that his plan may fail.They fool themselves if they think for a second that they are part of the club too.
Tw@ts.
You know, ? that's not even the most depressing thing about this, the most depressing thing, is that so many people will rejoice along with the Tories, because they have swallowed ,wholesale the divide and rule ideology that pervades the whole country now.
People with slightly more in the way of education,pay and housing, are gleeful about this attack on the poor, and think it's justified and in fact Osborne should have gone further and faster.
Osborne will be after them too, if there is any doubt at all that his plan may fail.They fool themselves if they think for a second that they are part of the club too.
Tw@ts.
67% could see through the bluster JB...I have just filled a survey in for 38 degree's who campaign tirelessly for a fairer Britain...people need to get behind these groups it's the only way to fight this evil crew without civil riots, which to be honest I can see coming very soon...I get so wound up with the propaganda and lies I could cry in frustration
You know, ? that's not even the most depressing thing about this, the most depressing thing, is that so many people will rejoice along with the Tories, because they have swallowed ,wholesale the divide and rule ideology that pervades the whole country now.
People with slightly more in the way of education,pay and housing, are gleeful about this attack on the poor, and think it's justified and in fact Osborne should have gone further and faster.
Osborne will be after them too, if there is any doubt at all that his plan may fail.They fool themselves if they think for a second that they are part of the club too.
Tw@ts.
I mentioned the budget to a close friend today talking of the tax credit cuts and saying the child care will now only cover two children from 2017... Her reply shocked me.. Oh that's over a year away, they could have done it sooner... I said "Really?" and she replied yes, you have people having child after child just avoid going to work...... It's a really close friend so i just changed the subject... I really didnt expect her to reply like that
You know, ? that's not even the most depressing thing about this, the most depressing thing, is that so many people will rejoice along with the Tories, because they have swallowed ,wholesale the divide and rule ideology that pervades the whole country now.
People with slightly more in the way of education,pay and housing, are gleeful about this attack on the poor, and think it's justified and in fact Osborne should have gone further and faster.
Osborne will be after them too, if there is any doubt at all that his plan may fail.They fool themselves if they think for a second that they are part of the club too.
Tw@ts.
67% could see through the bluster JB...I have just filled a survey in for 38 degree's who campaign tirelessly for a fairer Britain...people need to get behind these groups it's the only way to fight this evil crew without civil riots, which to be honest I can see coming very soon...I get so wound up with the propaganda and lies I could cry in frustration
Just been over there and did a quick recki of that site. I didn't even know it exsisted (sp) I need to have a better look in the near future
Just been over there and did a quick recki of that site. I didn't even know it exsisted (sp) I need to have a better look in the near future
all they ask is for your name and an email addy...it's government petitions 
I mentioned the budget to a close friend today talking of the tax credit cuts and saying the child care will now only cover two children from 2017... Her reply shocked me.. Oh that's over a year away, they could have done it sooner... I said "Really?" and she replied yes, you have people having child after child just avoid going to work...... It's a really close friend so i just changed the subject... I really didnt expect her to reply like that
this is the truth Jen, but this government are on an all out mission to take us back to Victorian principles.
Jeremy Corbyn response to #Budget15
Britain is booming. That was the message George Osborne gave in his Budget statement. But booming for who? The UK operates a failed economic model, and this Budget did nothing to change that.
Last year UK companies made record profits, yet over five million working people - one in six - earn less than the living wage. In-work poverty has never been higher. The number of working people claiming housing benefit to pay exorbitant rents has trebled.
I have consistently supported the calls from trade unions and anti-poverty campaigners called for the living wage to become the minimum wage. That is not what George Osborne delivered today: the living wage is already £9.15 in London, in 2015 - and its calculation takes account of the tax credits that George Osborne slashed today.
Employment may be at record levels, but it's a recovery of quantity, not quality. Underemployment is 25% higher than in 2008. People in work need the lifeline of tax credits and housing benefit to make ends meet. Yet that lifeline is to be cut back for many.
Young people, our future, face the removal of student grants, no right to housing benefit, and with youth unemployment still high they will be hardest hit by the benefits freeze.
You know, ? that's not even the most depressing thing about this, the most depressing thing, is that so many people will rejoice along with the Tories, because they have swallowed ,wholesale the divide and rule ideology that pervades the whole country now.
People with slightly more in the way of education,pay and housing, are gleeful about this attack on the poor, and think it's justified and in fact Osborne should have gone further and faster.
Osborne will be after them too, if there is any doubt at all that his plan may fail.They fool themselves if they think for a second that they are part of the club too.
Tw@ts.
I mentioned the budget to a close friend today talking of the tax credit cuts and saying the child care will now only cover two children from 2017... Her reply shocked me.. Oh that's over a year away, they could have done it sooner... I said "Really?" and she replied yes, you have people having child after child just avoid going to work...... It's a really close friend so i just changed the subject... I really didnt expect her to reply like that
I think these people probably watch far too much channel 5 and work out that because one workshy family of lazy, have 14 kids and have learned how to milk the system, it must then apply to everyone.
People seem to have given up thinking for themselves and wait for channel5 and Cameron to tell them what opinion theyshould be having.
Now I think about it, Slasher Osborne must watch channel 5 too, and then sits down after 'benefits britain single mum and 36 kids by the sea' and works out his policies.
He's going to run out of fag packets if he carries on.
Now I think about it, Slasher Osborne must watch channel 5 too, and then sits down after 'benefits britain single mum and 36 kids by the sea' and works out his policies.
He's going to run out of fag packets if he carries on.
he can always have a coke 
You know, ? that's not even the most depressing thing about this, the most depressing thing, is that so many people will rejoice along with the Tories, because they have swallowed ,wholesale the divide and rule ideology that pervades the whole country now.
People with slightly more in the way of education,pay and housing, are gleeful about this attack on the poor, and think it's justified and in fact Osborne should have gone further and faster.
Osborne will be after them too, if there is any doubt at all that his plan may fail.They fool themselves if they think for a second that they are part of the club too.
Tw@ts.
I mentioned the budget to a close friend today talking of the tax credit cuts and saying the child care will now only cover two children from 2017... Her reply shocked me.. Oh that's over a year away, they could have done it sooner... I said "Really?" and she replied yes, you have people having child after child just avoid going to work...... It's a really close friend so i just changed the subject... I really didnt expect her to reply like that
I think these people probably watch far too much channel 5 and work out that because one workshy family of lazy, have 14 kids and have learned how to milk the system, it must then apply to everyone.
People seem to have given up thinking for themselves and wait for channel5 and Cameron to tell them what opinion theyshould be having.
On the contrary, I watch the Wright Stuff (C5) I'm out of work because of being made redundant. I live on my own and have no dependants. I kinda like to think I have my own opinions.....I don't need others to tell me how to think. I draw my own conclusions to things
Oh, and, it's not my fault that people don't want to employ me I'm trying....really I am
You know, ? that's not even the most depressing thing about this, the most depressing thing, is that so many people will rejoice along with the Tories, because they have swallowed ,wholesale the divide and rule ideology that pervades the whole country now.
People with slightly more in the way of education,pay and housing, are gleeful about this attack on the poor, and think it's justified and in fact Osborne should have gone further and faster.
Osborne will be after them too, if there is any doubt at all that his plan may fail.They fool themselves if they think for a second that they are part of the club too.
Tw@ts.
I mentioned the budget to a close friend today talking of the tax credit cuts and saying the child care will now only cover two children from 2017... Her reply shocked me.. Oh that's over a year away, they could have done it sooner... I said "Really?" and she replied yes, you have people having child after child just avoid going to work...... It's a really close friend so i just changed the subject... I really didnt expect her to reply like that
I think these people probably watch far too much channel 5 and work out that because one workshy family of lazy, have 14 kids and have learned how to milk the system, it must then apply to everyone.
People seem to have given up thinking for themselves and wait for channel5 and Cameron to tell them what opinion theyshould be having.
On the contrary, I watch the Wright Stuff (C5) I'm out of work because of being made redundant. I live on my own and have no dependants. I kinda like to think I have my own opinions.....I don't need others to tell me how to think. I draw my own conclusions to things
Oh, and, it's not my fault that people don't want to employ me I'm trying....really I am
Now do behave, of course it's all your fault, we may not have worked out why yet, but I can assure you that it is.
It's rather like when you crash into some one at the lights and it's always your fault.
Let that be a lesson to you young lady...
You know, ? that's not even the most depressing thing about this, the most depressing thing, is that so many people will rejoice along with the Tories, because they have swallowed ,wholesale the divide and rule ideology that pervades the whole country now.
People with slightly more in the way of education,pay and housing, are gleeful about this attack on the poor, and think it's justified and in fact Osborne should have gone further and faster.
Osborne will be after them too, if there is any doubt at all that his plan may fail.They fool themselves if they think for a second that they are part of the club too.
Tw@ts.
I mentioned the budget to a close friend today talking of the tax credit cuts and saying the child care will now only cover two children from 2017... Her reply shocked me.. Oh that's over a year away, they could have done it sooner... I said "Really?" and she replied yes, you have people having child after child just avoid going to work...... It's a really close friend so i just changed the subject... I really didnt expect her to reply like that
I think these people probably watch far too much channel 5 and work out that because one workshy family of lazy, have 14 kids and have learned how to milk the system, it must then apply to everyone.
People seem to have given up thinking for themselves and wait for channel5 and Cameron to tell them what opinion theyshould be having.
On the contrary, I watch the Wright Stuff (C5) I'm out of work because of being made redundant. I live on my own and have no dependants. I kinda like to think I have my own opinions.....I don't need others to tell me how to think. I draw my own conclusions to things
Oh, and, it's not my fault that people don't want to employ me I'm trying....really I am
Now do behave, of course it's all your fault, we may not have worked out why yet, but I can assure you that it is.
It's rather like when you crash into some one at the lights and it's always your fault.
Let that be a lesson to you young lady...
LOL!
That's fairly satisfying Mrs. H, but do you have the upgrade where we can knee him in the groin?
I realise a lot of people are not happy about the budget. .I am on benefits so it affects me too but, can someone tell me how labour would have gone about it and what differences they would have made and how they would have reduced overall government spending?
Seriously interested not winding up.
Re the childcare thing.. I was an only child, back then you only got a child care allowance for the second one onwards, my parents got nowt extra.. not sure why having more kids means you should get more money. . Plus hasn't the number of free childcare hours per week gone up too to 30 so childcare won't take all the wages now of a Mum returning to work? 
I realise a lot of people are not happy about the budget. .I am on benefits so it affects me too but, can someone tell me how labour would have gone about it and what differences they would have made and how they would have reduced overall government spending?
Seriously interested not winding up.
Re the childcare thing.. I was an only child, back then you only got a child care allowance for the second one onwards, my parents got nowt extra.. not sure why having more kids means you should get more money. . Plus hasn't the number of free childcare hours per week gone up too to 30 so childcare won't take all the wages now of a Mum returning to work?
I'll be interested to see if anyone can explain it too Olly ....especially as I'm sure I heard Harriet Harmon saying that Labour essentially would be supporting the welfare reforms ....although as I was dashing off to be taken in by C5 I might have got that wrong But I too can't understand why having several children means you should get more money ...whatever happened to the idea of having only as many kids as you can afford to support ....yourself
I think that there are irresponsible parents out there , who work the system to get as much income as possible from the state.
But the withdrawal of support for every child that is born into a family of 4, punishes the child and other siblings for the irresponsibilty of the parents.Not much thought has been given to other circumstances either, it seems to have been assumed, that under the current system every child produced after the 1st. 2 is a deliberate act to rob the state.
There may not have been any such support for families decades ago, but decades ago many families were able to live on having one wage earner in the family,and there wasn't the level of tax funded corporate handouts either.
As for Labour? - no doubt they would have followed almost exactly what the Tories have done - Corporations and profit control are the real rulers of society, politicians just fiddle about at the edges.
little bit thick, so we agree?
little bit thick, so we agree?
I can't see what we're agreeing to Pirate, because nothing is showing up in your quote...but I agree with your original post
defintate thing is dont provide support for kids having kids
it shouldnt be the easy way to accomodation
little bit thick, so we agree?
I can't see what we're agreeing to Pirate, because nothing is showing up in your quote...but I agree with your original post
sorry, i was trying to save space so i deleted, i meant what your post said, i think we agree?
I realise a lot of people are not happy about the budget. .I am on benefits so it affects me too but, can someone tell me how labour would have gone about it and what differences they would have made and how they would have reduced overall government spending?
Seriously interested not winding up.
Re the childcare thing.. I was an only child, back then you only got a child care allowance for the second one onwards, my parents got nowt extra.. not sure why having more kids means you should get more money. . Plus hasn't the number of free childcare hours per week gone up too to 30 so childcare won't take all the wages now of a Mum returning to work?
In answer to your question Olly, I am not sure labour could have come up with anything different, they are the second tory party after all.
But at least they would have been reigned in by some on the left instead of a rampage on the sick, poor, unemployed ,dying and those on the minimum wage
that Osborne and the tories have set out to do...Labour did have a plan in 2010, not to cut as deep and pay back at a lower rate...they were ridiculed by Gideon. He would cut deep, and be done with the deficit in one parliament.
He cut deep to those that didn't cause the banking crash, all those people I mentioned ^^^ there, which labour wanted to avoid. Today, he's still not paid half of what we owe, wages are flat, he's given tax breaks to the rich...and once again we need to cut deep. No, we'll not tax the rich, we'll make the lower classes pay again, after all they get paid a great wage all of £6.50 an hour, and they don't need the luxury of an extra bedroom it only takes more to heat and they can't afford that.
The figures are out there for all to see, he's borrowed more than any other Labour chancellor and five years on he's sending thousands more into poverty...oh, I forgot there is no poverty, they've got rid of that in one fell swoop...they have taken the figures away.
I could go on forever and a day, but what's done is done....and I'm not debating it anymore. It's pointless, if people don't see that those that caused the crash should be bailing the UK out instead of those that didn't there's not much more to discuss Olly.
little bit thick, so we agree?
I can't see what we're agreeing to Pirate, because nothing is showing up in your quote...but I agree with your original post
sorry, i was trying to save space so i deleted, i meant what your post said, i think we agree?
we did Pirate 
