I think you just  summed it  up  there, why some of us find it so offensive.  It is clear  in our memories about the hate.  It was at a time of  economic depression, when fascism always flourishes  (the National Front it was called then), and now with the anti-Muslim propaganda politically, and another recession, and the BNP getting  more seats,  yes it is dangerous and it is unacceptable.

So in conclusion, the word is not an acceptable shorter version of Pakistani. Yes we can safely, and without rebuke, describe people from Afghanistan as Afghan because it is accepted. Poles come from Poland in the same way that Serbs hail from Serbia.
It's more about respect than political correctness imo, so respect for Lailla for carrying on like a pro, but not much for Anton who I now view as a bumbling oaf who hasn't got a clue that we've entered a new millennium. Bruce should have kept his trap shut (I expect him to dig himself into a bigger ditch tonight), but hey ho Keep Dancing!

They're the same thing.  People who moan about PC don't even know what it means.  Inaccurate caricature is the refuge for their lame-ness. 

Respect every person - you are politically correct.  It's that fucking simple.

I love that word! 

Absolutely Profile, but sometimes the meaning gets lost. So that is why this kind of debate isn't all bad, even though it started because of some twinkle toed buffoon it might show those who may genuinely believe that words like paki have a place in light hearted banter that they lack respect.

Apropos of nothing, I used to be really scared of Bruce's chin.  It has taken me years to get over it.  In fact, if anyone ever said to me: "chin up!" I used to adopt the foetal position.  Isn't it about time he was put out to pasture?  He's not a 'national treasure' anymore and he could be potentially giving lots of young people phobias about enormous chins as well as annoying listeners on radio stations with his inane attempts to smooth things over.

We're building bridges here Dan J......get over it  (imagine it as a big chin)

well said

Someone really needs to explain the vast change and evolvement of iconicity to Bruce. You are for example, on much safer ground refering to your dance partner as a "fornicating queynte" if I may put it so as not to ironically offend. Some "square" people can't keep up with the ever changing swear word progression.

I am reclaiming my queynte.

You really will have to make your mind up this morning Lilbet1

I queynte. It's too early.

Can you ever see the BBC employing an 80 year old female presenter.....?

Yes I can.

We shall sit and wait together Crossy.

Joan Collins....

Really interesting debate guys


I was one of the original ones to ask questions and a wise lady said to me last night
"why is it so wrong to ask a question? if you don't know how can you learn?  Likewise if you don't explain then don't be surprised at ignorance or disinterest either"

she's about 410 q..............

Imo, Bruce wanted to stick up for someone he likes, simple as. Whether he got it right or wrong his sentiment was based on a kind heart. I don't believe Bruce is racist, he doesn't tell those kind of jokes or make racist comments of his own. He was trying to calm it down. True sometimes things are best left unsaid, but his heart was in the right place.

I agree. You see it happening all the time.....at school, at work, on here. People stick up for thier friends even if they've said the vilest things. Not necessarily because they agree but out of a sense of loyalty. Whether they have words behind closed doors is another thing.

I'm not a fan of Brucie in general though (I think he's passed it...20years ago)

fascinating fact cags.(well it isn't but i didn't know if you knew!)......brucie shares our birthday........

Wooooo  Maybe he's not so bad after all

Drew Barrymore also shares our birthday. There is someone on the forum due a baby that day too...Darthhoob I think

I love Bruce's comedy timing these days. 

He sort of rushes through his, erm, jokes and hopes for the best before everyone starts looking confused and wonders whether to politely laugh.  Bless him.

drew barrymore....she's a bit wayward isn't she?!!...........ooooooo a forum baby on our birthday........hoobs if you're reading and it is you...you MUST deliver on feb 22nd!!

My daughter is a Feb 22nder!

I am now worried for her.

blizzie fear not........me,cags,brucie,drew....it can't get much better!!!

 <--that's faux  <--that's real

Oh yes it can Spongey. Steven Irwin-Crocodile Hunter....also born on the 22nd Feb

Oh!  Loved Steve!

oooooo i liked steve too.........

..and look where it got him

Feb 3rd is much better.

croc xxx

yer gotta play yer brucie bonus now and name some slebs born on yer birfday.......

That 'itler one.

I thought Hitler was born on 20th April

I only know this random fact cos its my brothers birthday.

Share? Share....I'm too exclusive to share mine with anyone really famous!

I only have Val Doonican, Joey Bishop, James Michener, Morgan Fairchild and Isla Fisher...and I think her that used to play Annie Walker in Corrie....

Ooh and i can claim the Buddy Holly death as well...though he was a couple of years before I was born.

MwaaAAAAAAA!  Oh dear,  that made me rillly rilly laugh. And yes  Dan, I cringe  at Brucie's gag telling technique.   He should be in a  home for the terminally confused.

bugger.you've got a cardi wearing rocking chair cleb.i've got brucie.snot fair!!!

I had Frankie Vaughan too before he died!

i didn't know frankie vaughan was deadered.........

Talk about 10 years too late!