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Originally Posted by Baz:

I guess in accepting that what may not embarrass one person ( whatever that is )  but may embarras another ...I'm in the minority here .....but when its deemed that anyone who feels like that about breastfeeding in public must be narrow minded , a prude, or worse still lewd , then I think that it is time for me to leave the thread to the moral majority . 

I'm sure your husband is a lovely chap and is just a bit coy about seeing some breast. If he'd grown up in a culture which saw it as completely normal and natural and not something private and personal, to be hidden away, he'd be totally fine with it, whether he'd had his own kids or not.

It's not the quietly embarrassed ones we have a problem with, it is the narrow minded prudes who want it hidden away and complain to the woman, or the management, about it, and it is the ones who feel free to make lewd comments, as if they think the woman should remember that her breasts are merely sexual objects.

Blizz'ard
Originally Posted by Baz:

I guess in accepting that what may not embarrass one person ( whatever that is )  but may embarras another ...I'm in the minority here .....but when its deemed that anyone who feels like that about breastfeeding in public must be narrow minded , a prude, or worse still lewd , then I think that it is time for me to leave the thread to the moral majority . 

 

No, I quite understand that some people find themselves feeling awkward and age possibly has some part to play in that.  The last thing they want to do is look like a perve or make the mum & baby feel as if they're being watched too intently.

 

Cosmopolitan
Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:
Originally Posted by Baz:

I guess in accepting that what may not embarrass one person ( whatever that is )  but may embarras another ...I'm in the minority here .....but when its deemed that anyone who feels like that about breastfeeding in public must be narrow minded , a prude, or worse still lewd , then I think that it is time for me to leave the thread to the moral majority . 

I'm sure your husband is a lovely chap and is just a bit coy about seeing some breast. If he'd grown up in a culture which saw it as completely normal and natural and not something private and personal, to be hidden away, he'd be totally fine with it, whether he'd had his own kids or not.

It's not the quietly embarrassed ones we have a problem with, it is the narrow minded prudes who want it hidden away and complain to the woman, or the management, about it, and it is the ones who feel free to make lewd comments, as if they think the woman should remember that her breasts are merely sexual objects.

Bliz said it better than I did

Mount Olympus *Olly*
Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:
 

I'm sure your husband is a lovely chap and is just a bit coy about seeing some breast. If he'd grown up in a culture which saw it as completely normal and natural and not something private and personal, to be hidden away, he'd be totally fine with it, whether he'd had his own kids or not.

It's not the quietly embarrassed ones we have a problem with, it is the narrow minded prudes who want it hidden away and complain to the woman, or the management, about it, and it is the ones who feel free to make lewd comments, as if they think the woman should remember that her breasts are merely sexual objects.

 

Spot on, Blizzie  

 

 

Cosmopolitan
Originally Posted by Baz:

I guess in accepting that what may not embarrass one person ( whatever that is )  but may embarras another ...I'm in the minority here .....but when its deemed that anyone who feels like that about breastfeeding in public must be narrow minded , a prude, or worse still lewd , then I think that it is time for me to leave the thread to the moral majority . 

Quite how you've managed to twist this with the conclusion and the back handed insult that everyone who is posting in here in support of challenging people's attitudes towards breast feeding in public, are implying the above and are the moral majority I have absolutely no idea!

FM
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Originally Posted by kattymieoww:

I  thought it was now  illegal to "ban" breastfeeding in public etc?is it not?

It is illegal to ask the mother and baby to leave, to ask the woman to stop feeding and it is illegal to refuse to serve you.

 

It is not, apparently, illegal to make you feel like shite and humiliate you with a massive napkin! 

Blizz'ard
Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:
Originally Posted by kattymieoww:

I  thought it was now  illegal to "ban" breastfeeding in public etc?is it not?

It is illegal to ask the mother and baby to leave, to ask the woman to stop feeding and it is illegal to refuse to serve you.

 

It is not, apparently, illegal to make you feel like shite and humiliate you with a massive napkin! 

 

I never knew that!

Cosmopolitan
Originally Posted by Baz:

I guess in accepting that what may not embarrass one person ( whatever that is )  but may embarras another ...I'm in the minority here .....but when its deemed that anyone who feels like that about breastfeeding in public must be narrow minded , a prude, or worse still lewd , then I think that it is time for me to leave the thread to the moral majority . 

   don't get that at all...      I can accept that he may find it embarrassing for whatever reason.   I'm just saying that that's not a reason for the woman to feel bad.        (I think the fact that I'm supporting 'slapper/child molester' in Strictly and supported the 'prostitute' in BB would probably exclude me from the 'moral majority tbh)

 

I simply don't think it's right that women should be made to feel bad about it  - it's not like she was sitting at the same table table and saying 'hold the baby while I get my boob out, would you?'  (or maybe she was, I've not read the full report....  Surely it's easy enough to just not look? 

Kaffs
Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:
Originally Posted by Baz:

I guess in accepting that what may not embarrass one person ( whatever that is )  but may embarras another ...I'm in the minority here .....but when its deemed that anyone who feels like that about breastfeeding in public must be narrow minded , a prude, or worse still lewd , then I think that it is time for me to leave the thread to the moral majority . 

I'm sure your husband is a lovely chap and is just a bit coy about seeing some breast. If he'd grown up in a culture which saw it as completely normal and natural and not something private and personal, to be hidden away, he'd be totally fine with it, whether he'd had his own kids or not.

It's not the quietly embarrassed ones we have a problem with, it is the narrow minded prudes who want it hidden away and complain to the woman, or the management, about it, and it is the ones who feel free to make lewd comments, as if they think the woman should remember that her breasts are merely sexual objects.

This ^^^ 

FM
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by Baz:

I guess in accepting that what may not embarrass one person ( whatever that is )  but may embarras another ...I'm in the minority here .....but when its deemed that anyone who feels like that about breastfeeding in public must be narrow minded , a prude, or worse still lewd , then I think that it is time for me to leave the thread to the moral majority . 

Quite how you've managed to twist this with the conclusion and the back handed insult that everyone who is posting in here in support of challenging people's attitudes towards breast feeding in public, are implying the above and are the moral majority I have absolutely no idea!

To be fair to Baz I am pretty sure that is more or less what I was implying in my posts, for want of any other explanation that I can work out about why they are uncomfortable.. but more so the prude bit, and the narrow minded parts for the extremest portion that go on to complain

Mount Olympus *Olly*
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Originally Posted by Mount Olympus *Olly*:
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by Baz:

I guess in accepting that what may not embarrass one person ( whatever that is )  but may embarras another ...I'm in the minority here .....but when its deemed that anyone who feels like that about breastfeeding in public must be narrow minded , a prude, or worse still lewd , then I think that it is time for me to leave the thread to the moral majority . 

Quite how you've managed to twist this with the conclusion and the back handed insult that everyone who is posting in here in support of challenging people's attitudes towards breast feeding in public, are implying the above and are the moral majority I have absolutely no idea!

To be fair to Baz I am pretty sure that is more or less what I was implying in my posts, for want of any other explanation that I can work out about why they are uncomfortable.. but more so the prude bit, and the narrow minded parts for the extremest portion that go on to complain

Perhaps Olly, but there's a distinct difference between one person's view and the majority, moral or otherwise!......Although I do have to laugh at being included in that, can't say moral has ever been a strong suit of mine

FM
Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:
Originally Posted by kattymieoww:

I  thought it was now  illegal to "ban" breastfeeding in public etc?is it not?

It is illegal to ask the mother and baby to leave, to ask the woman to stop feeding and it is illegal to refuse to serve you.

 

It is not, apparently, illegal to make you feel like shite and humiliate you with a massive napkin! 

well it should be.

kattymieoww
Originally Posted by Mount Olympus *Olly*:

Can I just say that Baz you could help a little bit as your mentioned your hubby would find it uncomfortable by teaching him to stick it out so he gets to the point he doesn't even notice anymore. .make him work thru his feelings of uncomfortablness.. Not having a dig here but it's up to us to educate people and what better place to start than at home

TBF if I was 73 and someone was going to try and stick their opinion down my throat when I really didn't want it, I'd be quite annoyed and rightly so.

cologne 1
Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:
Originally Posted by kattymieoww:

I  thought it was now  illegal to "ban" breastfeeding in public etc?is it not?

It is illegal to ask the mother and baby to leave, to ask the woman to stop feeding and it is illegal to refuse to serve you.

 

It is not, apparently, illegal to make you feel like shite and humiliate you with a massive napkin! 

Why did she beam with the stupid napkin over her poor baby?

cologne 1
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
Originally Posted by Mount Olympus *Olly*:

Can I just say that Baz you could help a little bit as your mentioned your hubby would find it uncomfortable by teaching him to stick it out so he gets to the point he doesn't even notice anymore. .make him work thru his feelings of uncomfortablness.. Not having a dig here but it's up to us to educate people and what better place to start than at home

TBF if I was 73 and someone was going to try and stick their opinion down my throat when I really didn't want it, I'd be quite annoyed and rightly so.

you're never too old to learn or change an attitude cologne.. age is just a number not a licence to be exempt from what is going on in the world today..

 

In a extreme comparison  an awful lot of the current older generation would still be going around using the N word and all other things no longer in our vocabulary but, they aren't now  [not as much anyway] cos people educate them that it isn't right and rightly so.. it's about changing long held attitudes or opinions and growing as people..

 

and I wasn't implying it should be forced on him just that maybe Baz [or any other woman who knows someone who feels similar to her hubby] can wean him thru gentle exposure, and others like him male or female who find it uncomfortable, so it becomes the norm not something to be coy about..  they can then maybe go on to educate others themselves saying they once felt like that but don't now... that's all.. 

Mount Olympus *Olly*
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Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
 

Why did she beam with the stupid napkin over her poor baby?

Why shouldn't she?

 

Maybe, after she'd got over the shock and humiliation, she was smiling at the absurdity of the massive napkin situation.

 

 

She doesn't look shocked and humiliated to me. I'd have been out there and told the nearest paper about it, we are talking about Claridges after all, a place which should accommodated all patrons as other hostelries and should hang it's head in shame.

cologne 1
Originally Posted by cologne 1:

I don't think he needs 'to be weaned' off anything, how patronising. People have their opinions and that's as it should be. Still, babies should be fed anywhere and, if I understood Baz' post, her husband didn't object to that.

oh fgs you know what I meant. .acclimatised may have been the word I couldn't find at the time in place of wean..

 

and I only mentioned that idea to Baz as she had previously said her hubby was uncomfortable and it occurred to me that she, and other women in similar situations, could help acclimatise friends and family who felt like that so they were no longer uncomfortable thereby spreading the word slowly but surely.. it's not about being patronising it is about spotting an opportunity to help someone, possibly enlighten them and yes, regardless of age, educate them too

Mount Olympus *Olly*
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
 

Why did she beam with the stupid napkin over her poor baby?

Why shouldn't she?

 

Maybe, after she'd got over the shock and humiliation, she was smiling at the absurdity of the massive napkin situation.

 

 

She doesn't look shocked and humiliated to me. I'd have been out there and told the nearest paper about it, we are talking about Claridges after all, a place which should accommodated all patrons as other hostelries and should hang it's head in shame.

When a waiter approached Louise Burns at Claridge’s on Monday and told her hotel policy required her to cover her breastfeeding baby with a napkin, he cannot have predicted the events that he had just set in train.

Burns, feeling shocked and humiliated at being asked to conceal her 12-week-old daughter, tweeted a photograph of the incident, saying: “Asked to cover up with this ridiculous shroud while breastfeeding so not to cause offence at Claridge’s.

Five days later, the outrage provoked by her tweets had swirled into a political storm involving the prime minister, the shadow home secretary and Ukip’s leader, Nigel Farage, and led to a protest that will gather on Saturday outside the luxury hotel to demand a change in its policy.

http://www.theguardian.com/lif...astfeeding-in-public 

FM
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
 

Why did she beam with the stupid napkin over her poor baby?

Why shouldn't she?

 

Maybe, after she'd got over the shock and humiliation, she was smiling at the absurdity of the massive napkin situation.

 

 

She doesn't look shocked and humiliated to me. I'd have been out there and told the nearest paper about it, we are talking about Claridges after all, a place which should accommodated all patrons as other hostelries and should hang it's head in shame.

isn't that what she did, made it public knowledge, and why this debate is going now...

Mount Olympus *Olly*
Last edited by Mount Olympus *Olly*
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
 

She doesn't look shocked and humiliated to me. I'd have been out there and told the nearest paper about it, we are talking about Claridges after all, a place which should accommodated all patrons as other hostelries and should hang it's head in shame.

Well, I'm sorry that she forgot to get a picture during the time she felt shocked and humiliated and had burst into tears.

She doesn't appear to have followed the correct procedures, in your opinion, but Claridges have certainly made the papers, as well as the rest of the media, and have still not apologised.

Blizz'ard
Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
 

She doesn't look shocked and humiliated to me. I'd have been out there and told the nearest paper about it, we are talking about Claridges after all, a place which should accommodated all patrons as other hostelries and should hang it's head in shame.

Well, I'm sorry that she forgot to get a picture during the time she felt shocked and humiliated and had burst into tears.

She doesn't appear to have followed the correct procedures, in your opinion, but Claridges have certainly made the papers, as well as the rest of the media, and have still not apologised.

More fool them. They must know that the general feeling about this particular natural function will sway only one way.

cologne 1
Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:
Originally Posted by Mount Olympus *Olly*:

do you know what is funny looking at both those photo's.. the second one would make me look and stare and wonder why she had a napkin draped across her cos it looks so odd. . and the first one I doubt I'd even notice her feeding

Exactly.

It just looks ridiculous! 

Why did she let them do it?

cologne 1
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:
Originally Posted by Mount Olympus *Olly*:

do you know what is funny looking at both those photo's.. the second one would make me look and stare and wonder why she had a napkin draped across her cos it looks so odd. . and the first one I doubt I'd even notice her feeding

Exactly.

It just looks ridiculous! 

Why did she let them do it?

Why did she let the waiter rush over and give her the napkin? 

Blizz'ard
Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:
Originally Posted by Mount Olympus *Olly*:

do you know what is funny looking at both those photo's.. the second one would make me look and stare and wonder why she had a napkin draped across her cos it looks so odd. . and the first one I doubt I'd even notice her feeding

Exactly.

It just looks ridiculous! 

Why did she let them do it?

Why did she let the waiter rush over and give her the napkin? 

That's my question.

cologne 1
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
Originally Posted by Blizz'ard:
Originally Posted by Mount Olympus *Olly*:

do you know what is funny looking at both those photo's.. the second one would make me look and stare and wonder why she had a napkin draped across her cos it looks so odd. . and the first one I doubt I'd even notice her feeding

Exactly.

It just looks ridiculous! 

Why did she let them do it?

Why did she let the waiter rush over and give her the napkin? 

That's my question.

Because she isn't telepathic?! 

Blizz'ard

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