So she got pregnant when she was in the care of SS and not under her parent's roof, so why do you think it's all the parents fault?

I don't know.. but I don't think parents should abdicate their responsibility to a child.    They weren't young impressionable teens landed with a baby.  They were educated, intelligent, professional people.  Surely if they could't cope they could have got some help?

That implies all prostitutes are nasty and I;m sure thats not so...but Helen is nasty...not because of her past career

SHUT UP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! both of you !!!!!!!

She also babysat for her son while her and a friend took trips to Dublin on 'assignments' 

mark is losing htis - hopefully he willl not win

Oh for crying out loud SHUT UP THE PAIR OF YOU

STFU Mark and Chridtopher

Mark does not care about Chris. Chris runaway fast.

Well that's true enough!

Both of them are getting on my nerves 

What if Helen didn't want their help? We have no idea what she put her parents through, nor how much they tried with her, so I refuse to apportion the blame for Helen's life choices on them. They don't seem to have had any problems rearing her two brothers, so perhaps the problem was with Helen, not them?

I actually support MARK on this occasion

Is that refreshments?" Mark may not be 100 per cent focused on this dispute. #BBUK  

says it all

Mark is having a shocker....GOOD.

and mine

My daughter was the teen from hell....convent boarding schools went through my mind more than once, but like all teens the time passed and she turned into a credit to us both, I would never have put her into care though, but then she didn't move in with a bf at 16 and had far too much sense than to get pregnant

And TBH I knew nothing about her ...or her other life ...before she came into the house ....but disliked her almost from the word go....as soon as she opened her mouth  

^^^^ This  

Helen getting involved in someone else's argument .

I don't think it's all their fault.. and the pregnancy imo was a symptom of their problems, not  the cause.    Maybe she was just born evil and they were right to wash their hands of her.  I just find it difficult to accept that, that's all. 

Chuck the pair of them out and they can sort out their problems away from my tellybox

SS can't and don't just 'put' kids into care, the parents must have refused to  have her back

SHUT UP MARK AND CHRISTOPHER !!! Oh and Helen , you always tell people to their face , don't you

who says sorry the most wins?

God forbid but if I was Mark I would have hoped Christopher would have had my back...

Never! 

Ditto

Yes, I read that too

Yep, 1 million percent.

Mark wants to win so badly.

I think you will find that they will , if they feel the child is out of control ...

Why are Helen and Winston bickering?

how many peoples feelings has she hurt?

   yes,   I was just using it as an adjective for Helen, not prostitutes in general   I've already commented on prostitutes in another thread.   

Tell them both Winston. Hell-on is as usual affronted that anyone can have an opposing opinion.

And she is still belly-aching about it. Such a cow bag.

 Oh yes they can and do.

Winston will be nominated this week.