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Manet Monet. The highlight of the Trivial Pursuit years.



Hope you're okay El Gran Senor. Think that was Vincent O'Brien         

I'm OK Velvet and I hope you are

Easy to confuse Manet and Monet as both French impressionist artists of the same era. The styles though are different, Manet's being closer to a photograph, Monet's closer to what you think of as a Van Gogh painting.

El Loro
@slimfern posted:

''Draw me like one of your french girls'' (Titanic scene)

I wouldn't like to have to judge a winner there El

You are correct
I've never watched "Titanic" so didn't recognise the quote. I had seen "A Night to Remember" so didn't want to see what amounts to a Hollywood remake.

The bear's pose is identical to that of Manet's Olympia. Manet's work would have been known by "Jack" and "Rose" so it's possible that James Cameron had his work in mind when creating that scene.

El Loro
@El Loro posted:

You are correct
I've never watched "Titanic" so didn't recognise the quote. I had seen "A Night to Remember" so didn't want to see what amounts to a Hollywood remake.

The bear's pose is identical to that of Manet's Olympia. Manet's work would have been known by "Jack" and "Rose" so it's possible that James Cameron had his work in mind when creating that scene.

Makes sense El

I don't think I've seen 'A night to remember'

slimfern
@slimfern posted:

Makes sense El

I don't think I've seen 'A night to remember'

A classic British film of the voyage and catastrophe without bringing in things like a romance.
Possibly Kenneth More's best film.
Black and white though there are colourised versions.
At the time it was made (1958) a fairly accurate account. The subsequent discovery of the wreck and research has shown that there were errors, notably that the ship did nor sink in one piece as shown in the film.

El Loro
@El Loro posted:

You are correct
I've never watched "Titanic" so didn't recognise the quote. I had seen "A Night to Remember" so didn't want to see what amounts to a Hollywood remake.

The bear's pose is identical to that of Manet's Olympia. Manet's work would have been known by "Jack" and "Rose" so it's possible that James Cameron had his work in mind when creating that scene.

This has just been a question on 'Impossible'

which 1863 French artist painted 'Olympia'

slimfern

I emailed the BBFC about The Guns of Navarone being reclassified from a PG to a 15.
They've come back to me to say that this was something that Netflix had done. they have a partnership with the BBFC and have the ability to rate films themselves using the BBFC standards.
Netflix has now amended their classification back to PG.

The BBFC guidelines include these comments on violence:
Works which feature the following are likely to be treated less restrictively:
● violence in a historical context
● violence in an action or fantasy context
● violence that lacks detail
● violence that looks unreal, fake or overly staged
● comic violence
● violence that is challenged or punished
● violence in a context where it is likely to be expected by the intended audience

Clearly the first 3 and last of those are relevant to the film and hadn't been taken into account by whoever at Netflix had classified it as a 15.

El Loro
@El Loro posted:

I emailed the BBFC about The Guns of Navarone being reclassified from a PG to a 15.
They've come back to me to say that this was something that Netflix had done. they have a partnership with the BBFC and have the ability to rate films themselves using the BBFC standards.
Netflix has now amended their classification back to PG.

The BBFC guidelines include these comments on violence:
Works which feature the following are likely to be treated less restrictively:
● violence in a historical context
● violence in an action or fantasy context
● violence that lacks detail
● violence that looks unreal, fake or overly staged
● comic violence
● violence that is challenged or punished
● violence in a context where it is likely to be expected by the intended audience

Clearly the first 3 and last of those are relevant to the film and hadn't been taken into account by whoever at Netflix had classified it as a 15.

No they certainly hadn't

Nice one El

slimfern
@slimfern posted:

Yes....it's a wonder that anyone ever went on the seas at all with pictures like that


The modern equivalent would be the Japanese monster film genre which started with Godzilla.
I once saw a double bill of low budget Japanese films which was appalling. One of the films was a western but with Japanese actors. I assume it was their attempt at the equivalent of a spaghetti western.
The other was a monster film. To give you an idea as to how bad it was, when a building was destroyed I could see the studs on the model plastic bricks they had used for the building

El Loro
@El Loro posted:


The modern equivalent would be the Japanese monster film genre which started with Godzilla.
I once saw a double bill of low budget Japanese films which was appalling. One of the films was a western but with Japanese actors. I assume it was their attempt at the equivalent of a spaghetti western.
The other was a monster film. To give you an idea as to how bad it was, when a building was destroyed I could see the studs on the model plastic bricks they had used for the building


That's bad!

I've never actually watched Godzilla, I've watched/listened to Eminem's rap of sed monster. (impressive)
There was a tv show called Monkey that became a bit of a cult viewing for a time and Takeshi's castle, a bonkers show (their equivalent to our Gladiators)
Manga... a trend, which my daughter loves...she has learnt a fair bit of the Japanese language from it

slimfern
@slimfern posted:


That's bad!

I've never actually watched Godzilla, I've watched/listened to Eminem's rap of sed monster. (impressive)
There was a tv show called Monkey that became a bit of a cult viewing for a time and Takeshi's castle, a bonkers show (their equivalent to our Gladiators)
Manga... a trend, which my daughter loves...she has learnt a fair bit of the Japanese language from it

I think I might have seen some of the episodes of Monkey but gave up

Akira Kurosawa was a major film director and I've seen some of his films. "The Seven Samurai" is his best known film and was remade as "The Magnificent Seven". Also seen his "Throne of Blood". The film is much better than that title. It's his version of "Macbeth". An extraordinarily good film

El Loro
@El Loro posted:

I think I might have seen some of the episodes of Monkey but gave up

Akira Kurosawa was a major film director and I've seen some of his films. "The Seven Samurai" is his best known film and was remade as "The Magnificent Seven". Also seen his "Throne of Blood". The film is much better than that title. It's his version of "Macbeth". An extraordinarily good film

Shhhhh!

I loved 'The Magnificent Seven'....I wanted to slobber all over Yul Brynner's bonnet
A real star studded classic western for sure.

The trouble with some of these foreign films is the subtitles....I find it hard to concentrate on both the action and the words at the same time
I did mange it though wit 'Das Boot'....a gem

slimfern
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@slimfern posted:

Shhhhh!

I loved 'The Magnificent Seven'....I wanted to slobber all over Yul Brynner's bonnet
A real star studded classic western for sure.

The trouble with some of these foreign films is the subtitles....I find it hard to concentrate on both the action and the words at the same time
I did mange it though wit 'Das Boot'....a gem

Haven't seen "Das Boot. There are different cuts of it including a TV series (293 minutes), a film (149 minutes) and a director's cut of it (210 minutes). There's also a much newer TV series with different people - 26 1 hour episodes so far longer than the others.

El Loro
@El Loro posted:

Haven't seen "Das Boot. There are different cuts of it including a TV series (293 minutes), a film (149 minutes) and a director's cut of it (210 minutes). There's also a much newer TV series with different people - 26 1 hour episodes so far longer than the others.

It was the tv series we watched...my MIL is German and so my husband was able to understand it without the subtitles....not me though, I still found it good
Not sure I'd watch it again

slimfern
@slimfern posted:

It was the tv series we watched...my MIL is German and so my husband was able to understand it without the subtitles....not me though, I still found it good
Not sure I'd watch it again

The most substantial dubbed films I've seen are two Russian films. Sergei Bondarchuk's "War and Peace" which I have on DVD is 403 minutes long. It's been divided into 4 films though.
The other is Andrei Tarkovsky's "Andrei Rublev" which I saw at a cinema in London. Also have it on DVD at a mere 185 minutes. Biographical epic on the life and time of the Russian artist of icons. Most of the film is black and white other than the ending which shows some of his icons in colour in the sorry state that they had deteriorated to at the time the film was made (1966). One  of the greatest films ever made. When the film ended, we in the audience at the cinema stood up and applauded, not that it was a premiere.

El Loro
@El Loro posted:

The most substantial dubbed films I've seen are two Russian films. Sergei Bondarchuk's "War and Peace" which I have on DVD is 403 minutes long. It's been divided into 4 films though.
The other is Andrei Tarkovsky's "Andrei Rublev" which I saw at a cinema in London. Also have it on DVD at a mere 185 minutes. Biographical epic on the life and time of the Russian artist of icons. Most of the film is black and white other than the ending which shows some of his icons in colour in the sorry state that they had deteriorated to at the time the film was made (1966). One  of the greatest films ever made. When the film ended, we in the audience at the cinema stood up and applauded, not that it was a premiere.

Sounds like some heavy duty viewing El
And time well spent if an applause was given

slimfern
@slimfern posted:

Sounds like some heavy duty viewing El
And time well spent if an applause was given

Andrei Tarkovsky was one of the great film directors. Here's a clip from his Solaris (not the George Clooney remake which was a good attempt but far short of the Tarkovsky film).
Don't expect to understand what's going on, the clip is in Russian with no subtitles but little is said)

Bach's "Ich Ruf Zu Dir, Herr Jesu Christ" BWV 639)
(paintings by Pieter Bruegel the Elder)

El Loro
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