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I notice numerous FMs complaining that they don't feel comfortable talking about Ben negatively on this forum for fear of counter arguments and over enthusiastic defense from his fans.

I for one don't have a problem with people making anti threads about Ben.  Lord knows, he gives you enough material to work with, but as a fan of Ben I will sometimes ask for further evidence or dispute claims if I think they are not fairly represented.  Please don't take that as having a go at you for being anti-Ben because it's not my intention, and I dare say not the intention of the majority of his supporters.

Likewise, I've made a few anti JJ threads myself.  People have agreed with my OP, others completely rubbished me and in some cases laughed at me.  In the words of Krap Kris, it's just banter.

I guess my point is, post whatever the hell you want, and don't take too seriously the, erm, more hard core defenders of a particular housemate, because it's always been this way since I joined the Ch4 forums and will probably never change.

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i don't get that feeling from you spidey, i do get it from  a couple of other fm's, which has the effect  of encouraging me to overstate my case,but that'd be cos i am  awkward.

and i think some   posts lately  have been patronising  to   a few who have  made a negative comment about him.(not by you btw)

i however quite like ben, but still find him  pretty unpleasant as a human being. he's a good hm for sure.
jacksonb
I really liked him up till the exercise task when he not only couldn't be bothered to do it he dumped his own problem on Dave. I went right off him instantly. But I still won't be getting on anyone's case who really likes him. The only HM that will get me worked up when they're defended on here is Keeva who I positively detest but I have learned to just walk away from it.
Prometheus
I like him but fortunately  I'm not blind to his or anyone's faults....What I don't like however is when comments are made about things being done/said to him and some FM's feel the need to justify it by bringing completely different subject matter into it....I also dislike when other HM's are being discussed and for no reason flaws of Bens are dragged in.
~Lee~
I don't like any of the HMs enough to mount a hardcore defence of any one of them. It's a game, theatre, pantomime, call it what you will and we're all players, nothing more and nothing else. It has no bearing on rl, means little in the grand scheme of things...and when an HM is evicted, their case is closed...and we prey upon the next victim.


btw...doing a deal on tin helmets for any FM in need....only ÂĢ1 a pop
Kaytee
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the only thing I don't like, is when some FM's seem to think it's ok to get personal with each other.
I made that mistake today when MrMeat started his Keeva appreciation thread. I really can't stand her and felt he only started that thread to wind people up. I should have just kept out of it (and have since) sometimes you can get carried away but I let my guard down there. This is a much friendlier and happier forum than C4 ever was.
Prometheus


I disliked Keeva's sidekick, Scabby - couldn't abide her (can't stand Keeva either)
That said, in RL neither of these two would even scrape the outer extremities of my world.  It's only on BB that I let the irritating "me-me's" encroach such boundaries.

In a few weeks time they'll be gone.....and I doubt I'll be moaning that my life cannot function without them.
Cosmopolitan
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I made that mistake today when MrMeat started his Keeva appreciation thread. I really can't stand her and felt he only started that thread to wind people up. I should have just kept out of it (and have since) sometimes you can get carried away but I let my guard down there. This is a much friendlier and happier forum than C4 ever was.
Totally agree. As long as we as FMs can agree to disagree about HMs then all is good. After all we dont know them and chat with them as we do on here with fellow FMs. Each to his own, but we will be here when they have gone.
Fletch
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I don't mind Ben, the only real one I can't stand is Ife....
I used to really like her...Up until last night when she was supposed to be having a shower, and JJ, Keever(I can't bare her at all) and Josie were bitching HARD about Corin...Ife was earwigging the whole time, then she decides to pitch in with her 10 cents worth regarding Corin..The moment of clarity came for me then, as I realised she is no better than Govan was.
Senora Reyes
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I made that mistake today when MrMeat started his Keeva appreciation thread. I really can't stand her and felt he only started that thread to wind people up. I should have just kept out of it (and have since) sometimes you can get carried away but I let my guard down there. This is a much friendlier and happier forum than C4 ever was.
I certainly didnt make it to wind up or provoke anyone, I do actually find her an entertaining HM and actually rather attractive. I made the thread because I thought I would be able to avoid reading the insults which are littered everywhere (fair enough, even I hand out insults to the HMs I dislike). Every other HM had a fan club thread where there would be no bashing, I thought it would be the same if I made a Caiomhe one.

That said, she still isnt my fave... picking a realistic winner, I would choose Ben.
MrMincePie
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I used to really like her...Up until last night when she was supposed to be having a shower, and JJ, Keever(I can't bare her at all) and Josie were bitching HARD about Corin...Ife was earwigging the whole time, then she decides to pitch in with her 10 cents worth regarding Corin..The moment of clarity came for me then, as I realised she is no better than Govan was.
She was as bad as him right from the start but she's very clever about it....
stonks

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