Noirien needs a rabbit I dunno about anything else, then she might chill the **** out.

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Originally posted by Demantoid:
~wonders if BBLB would have launched such a lengthy inquest to clear Freddie's name, in similar circumstances~

Thought not

Hardly legthy, was about 10 seconds.

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Originally posted by tupps:
sorry if this has been said.. haven't read the rest of the thread..

My opinion is.. has been.. not on who said/he said/she said, but on the way Noirin handled being told something seemingly designed to help.

Siavash said she was a 'rabbit'.. and she proved it by hopping into the bedroom and flapping her canines. She could have taken that information under advisement and formed her own opinion based on her own conclusions after sitting back and watching to see whether there is a kernel of truth in it.. or maybe by discrete chats with the named culprits. But no she used it as an opportunity to screech her way through several hours of post mortem, the result of which is she is still none the wiser and she has given merit to the 'rabbit' moniker.

I agree.... it was the way she handled it... and the 'in your face' attitude she has that I dislike. She NEVER listens to the other point of view, and simply shouts and bawls at everyone. As for the language.....

I think we knew he had lied anyway.
He changed his story about fifty times in ten minutes, when the wolves sheep were attacking!

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Originally posted by Shiver:
Noirien needs a rabbit I dunno about anything else, then she might chill the **** out.

Covers Rio's ears up!

Funny thing is he is probably right. I haven't heard them say it myself.. but it would not surprise me in the slightest if Karly & Kris had been bee-hatching behind her back and saying she had a foot in two camps.

And as much as I can't stand those two.. if they said that then fair enough.. spot on from what I can see.

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Originally posted by kattymieoww:

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Originally posted by Shiver:
Noirien needs a rabbit I dunno about anything else, then she might chill the **** out.

Covers Rio's ears up!

Sorry Rio!

Ello Are you a Noirien fan?

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I think we knew he had lied anyway.
He changed his story about fifty times in ten minutes, when the wolves sheep were attacking!

yeah i thought he looked a bit guilty lol

Did BBLB show a clip of Noirin telling Marcus he should have lied for her, her real friends on the ouside would have.
That was said last night when she came out of the DR.... just before she labelled his friends as weirdo's and freak's and the reason she cant sit with him. After telling Lisa she wanted away from him.
We can only go on what we seen live last night... BB will edit as they see fit so really it all boil's down to what we want to believe.

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Originally posted by tupps:
Funny thing is he is probably right. I haven't heard them say it myself.. but it would not surprise me in the slightest if Karly & Kris had been bee-hatching behind her back and saying she had a foot in two camps.

And as much as I can't stand those two.. if they said that then fair enough.. spot on from what I can see.

Kris did say it in the garden over a week ago....Siavash, Karly, Kris and Lisa were all present.

Thank gawd....I thought I was the only one last night who heard him admit to the whole bedroom that he had named kris and karly.....kris asked him point blank did you name us, and siavash said yes he had....as the row escalated siavash did himself no favours by changing his story to he only thought they though it????

However, dont let the truth get in the way of a good tale .

I do believe he was saying it to help her.....but once noirin confronted them about it, he should have been man enough to stick to his guns instead of calling her a lying bitch.

I'd like to think kris and karly had said it to siavash, and karly in particular looked dead guilty....but kris was in siavash's face asking him if he had EVER bitched about noirin to him....and siavash admitted that neither kris or karly had done so to him.

So......siavash in his lust driven attempt to get noirin in camp good overstepped the mark.....Freddie lied through his teeth too.....but the fact that it was siavash and freddie who lied will ensure they are still loved....if anyone else did it and it would be curtains.

Still hope siavash wins....but he came down a step on his pedestal in my eyes.

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Originally posted by Bethni:

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Originally posted by tupps:
Funny thing is he is probably right. I haven't heard them say it myself.. but it would not surprise me in the slightest if Karly & Kris had been bee-hatching behind her back and saying she had a foot in two camps.

And as much as I can't stand those two.. if they said that then fair enough.. spot on from what I can see.

Kris did say it in the garden over a week ago....Siavash, Karly, Kris and Lisa were all present.

Ah.. so he wasn't lying.. well about them calling her that. Pity he didn't stick by what he said.. he'd be a lil 'hero'.

I'm a little confused...is the issue here that he named Kris and karly...as I though he had admitted that anyway?

I thought the issue was whether he had actually heard them saying it or not, or if he was assuming that they shared the opinion she was a 'rabbit' but still chose to mention them anyway because he was so adamant in his assumption?

Did that make sense

Ahh bugger I kill all the discussion freds

I'd really like to see the bit where the conversation took place with Siavash and Noirin. Freddie said last night that he WAS there when the 'rabbit' bit was mentioned but went to the loo then. He said he never heard Siavash say Karly and Kris until afterward's when they were trying to bring Marcus into the conversation.This is the bit we didn't see live. LF came on just after i think.
In the bedroom Freddie said he hadn't heard the names to begin with but had no doubt if Siavash said it then it would be true. He might as well have just said he'd heard it then ,surely?? He had no reason to lie about something he was backing Siavash up for anyway, do i make sense, cos my brain is boggled??

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Originally posted by Shiver:
I'm a little confused...is the issue here that he named Kris and karly...as I though he had admitted that anyway?

I thought the issue was whether he had actually heard them saying it or not, or if he was assuming that they shared the opinion she was a 'rabbit' but still chose to mention them anyway because he was so adamant in his assumption?

Did that make sense

apparently he denied using names but did say them

now the he thought it was them they did say it it was an opinion who knows

lol

we wait on highlights with baited breath

but he did say karly and kriss now whether he said they told him this or he thought it is another story

As I said above did he not swear on his mothers life he was not lying

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Originally posted by Shiver:
I'm a little confused...is the issue here that he named Kris and karly...as I though he had admitted that anyway?

I thought the issue was whether he had actually heard them saying it or not, or if he was assuming that they shared the opinion she was a 'rabbit' but still chose to mention them anyway because he was so adamant in his assumption?

Did that make sense

He admitted saying that kris and karly had said it about noirin.

Then he gave 101 different versions as the shouting got louder....he turned it into " I thought they thought it....".

Even marcus to be fair admitted to noirin outside the bedroom that he HAD heard siavash say people had said it to him....but marcus said he couldnt remember if siavash had said it was kris,karly,sophie or charlie....

however when the row was in full flow inside the bedroom and marcus could have said he heard siavash say it....he chose to lay very quietly and say nothing.

It was only when noirin called him out of the bedroom and asked him why he didnt back her up because he HAD heard the convo....that marcus sheepishly admitted he had heard it, but wasnt 100% sure who siavash had named.

Freddie however turned in to a Roman Emperor and stood up shouting that siavash had not named names....and he believed siavash and didnt believe noirin (how wrong was he????)....and said he was in the toilet at the time....he wasn't.

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Originally posted by Marguerita:
Did he not swear on his mothers life he was not lying

its ok marge, he had his fingers crossed behind his back

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Originally posted by fz:

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Originally posted by Shiver:
I'm a little confused...is the issue here that he named Kris and karly...as I though he had admitted that anyway?

I thought the issue was whether he had actually heard them saying it or not, or if he was assuming that they shared the opinion she was a 'rabbit' but still chose to mention them anyway because he was so adamant in his assumption?

Did that make sense

He admitted saying that kris and karly had said it about noirin.

Then he gave 101 different versions as the shouting got louder....he turned it into " I thought they thought it....".

Even marcus to be fair admitted to noirin outside the bedroom that he HAD heard siavash say people had said it to him....but marcus said he couldnt remember if siavash had said it was kris,karly,sophie or charlie....

however when the row was in full flow inside the bedroom and marcus could have said he heard siavash say it....he chose to lay very quietly and say nothing.

It was only when noirin called him out of the bedroom and asked him why he didnt back her up because he HAD heard the convo....that marcus sheepishly admitted he had heard it, but wasnt 100% sure who siavash had named.

Freddie however turned in to a Roman Emperor and stood up shouting that siavash had not named names....and he believed siavash and didnt believe noirin (how wrong was he????)....and said he was in the toilet at the time....he wasn't.

What a carry on

INFAMY INFAMY they all got in it Infamy

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Originally posted by cologne1:
We did say last night that we had to wait to see what had been said. The point Marcus and Freddie were making was that Siavash tried to do her a favour and that still holds. She couldn't wait to get into the BR to confront everybody, rather than sleep on it and bring it up in a more subtle way, thereby indeed feeding Siavash to the woolves. As Marcus said to her, he was so badly shouted down by most of them, that he had no idea what he'dsaid anymore. If he had been lying at that point, he wouldn't have said, wait until we're out, you will see it.

That's how I saw it. Noirin was desperate for a reason to badmouth Siavash.

Siavash is right. Noirin is wrong

I know

And the dumbest thing is the crime noirin was being accused of was getting on with both camps....as though everyone has to pick sides???

She was screaming like a banshee....but now I can see why....and if siavash had stuck to his guns he'd be superman by now

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Originally posted by Marguerita:
As I said above did he not swear on his mothers life he was not lying

I watched it last night on streaming, I don't remember him swearing on his mothers life, but then again I could have been making myself a brew at the time. And he dropped himself in it, Noirin wasn't telling Kris, Karly, Charlie and Sophie who had said it to her, she wanted to know if any of them had said it to anyone. Siavash then came into the bedroom and dropped himself in it by admitting it was him who said it, then it kind of went a bit 'rah rah rah'.

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Originally posted by shar69:

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Originally posted by Marguerita:
As I said above did he not swear on his mothers life he was not lying

I watched it last night on streaming, I don't remember him swearing on his mothers life, but then again I could have been making myself a brew at the time. And he dropped himself in it, Noirin wasn't telling Kris, Karly, Charlie and Sophie who had said it to her, she wanted to know if any of them had said it to anyone. Siavash then came into the bedroom and dropped himself in it by admitting it was him who said it, then it kind of went a bit 'rah rah rah'.

Loving the 'rah rah rah'

Yep he was angry at having dropped himself in it big time unfortunately.....

Because BBLB put a different slant on it, it's the truth?

We don't know if Siavash heard Kris and Karly saying anything, or if he thought he had. We don't know what went on before because BB has cut the majority of live feed.

what Siavash should have done is completely deny the entire conversation and every time Noirin turned away to screech he should have done

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Originally posted by Marguerita:
As I said above did he not swear on his mothers life he was not lying

Dunno if ur on about Siavash - but I can categorically say that Kris most certainly DID swear on his mothers life that he hadnt said anything of the sort

He admitted in the bedroom to everyone he had named karly and kris....then he said " you're all dicks"...and stormed out. He should have left it at that....the damage limitation was unecessary, apart from the fact he looked lovely angry.

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Originally posted by tupps:
what Siavash should have done is completely deny the entire conversation and every time Noirin turned away to screech he should have done

To be honest...thats quite close to what he ended up doing....after freddie waded in in Churchill mode Siavash knew he had back up and continued to deny it.....good ruck!

can I just throw something into the mix here....

I dont know the exact timings and locations of people when this all sort of started - however... I did see Si and Noirin having a bit of a tet-a-tet... Noirin yelled out for Karly (like a banshee)... Freddie came into the kitchen thinking that Noirin had called him... so maybe Freddie DIDNT hear the actual naming names bit - thats what Noirin was calling Karly for. Karly didnt show up so Noirin went into the bedroom and started it all off in there.

Anyone else see it the way I did???

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Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:
can I just throw something into the mix here....

I dont know the exact timings and locations of people when this all sort of started - however... I did see Si and Noirin having a bit of a tet-a-tet... Noirin yelled out for Karly (like a banshee)... Freddie came into the kitchen thinking that Noirin had called him... so maybe Freddie DIDNT hear the actual naming names bit - thats what Noirin was calling Karly for. Karly didnt show up so Noirin went into the bedroom and started it all off in there.

Anyone else see it the way I did???

The plot thickens

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Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:

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Originally posted by Marguerita:
As I said above did he not swear on his mothers life he was not lying

Dunno if ur on about Siavash - but I can categorically say that Kris most certainly DID swear on his mothers life that he hadnt said anything of the sort

Hi Barmy I was taking about Siavash I doubt we will see it on the HL show but we might

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Originally posted by Marguerita:

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Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:

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Originally posted by Marguerita:
As I said above did he not swear on his mothers life he was not lying

Dunno if ur on about Siavash - but I can categorically say that Kris most certainly DID swear on his mothers life that he hadnt said anything of the sort

Hi Barmy I was taking about Siavash I doubt we will see it on the HL show but we might

its crazy really - WE all saw it and have our own take on it - BB however is whole new ball-game and it probably wont look anything LIKE what actually happened

the funny thing about all of this is, Siavash was saying to Freddie last week that Noirin goes between the groups and Freddie agreed saying he had noticed it, but Siavash does the same as her.

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Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:
can I just throw something into the mix here....

I dont know the exact timings and locations of people when this all sort of started - however... I did see Si and Noirin having a bit of a tet-a-tet... Noirin yelled out for Karly (like a banshee)... Freddie came into the kitchen thinking that Noirin had called him... so maybe Freddie DIDNT hear the actual naming names bit - thats what Noirin was calling Karly for. Karly didnt show up so Noirin went into the bedroom and started it all off in there.

Anyone else see it the way I did???

Maybe...highlights will show us....marcus admitted to being there when si said it to noirin.....Freddie said he was in the toilet, then he said he wasnt, then he said he was.....it was all a bit hokey cokey...

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Originally posted by shar69:

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Originally posted by Marguerita:
As I said above did he not swear on his mothers life he was not lying

I watched it last night on streaming, I don't remember him swearing on his mothers life, but then again I could have been making myself a brew at the time. And he dropped himself in it, Noirin wasn't telling Kris, Karly, Charlie and Sophie who had said it to her, she wanted to know if any of them had said it to anyone. Siavash then came into the bedroom and dropped himself in it by admitting it was him who said it, then it kind of went a bit 'rah rah rah'.

Siavash came forward as the rest were blaming Marcus.

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Originally posted by strike:
the funny thing about all of this is, Siavash was saying to Freddie last week that Noirin goes between the groups and Freddie agreed saying he had noticed it, but Siavash does the same as her.

Thats what I thought...

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Originally posted by BARMY BRUMMIE:
can I just throw something into the mix here....

I dont know the exact timings and locations of people when this all sort of started - however... I did see Si and Noirin having a bit of a tet-a-tet... Noirin yelled out for Karly (like a banshee)... Freddie came into the kitchen thinking that Noirin had called him... so maybe Freddie DIDNT hear the actual naming names bit - thats what Noirin was calling Karly for. Karly didnt show up so Noirin went into the bedroom and started it all off in there.

Anyone else see it the way I did???

Think that was as live streaming started. After all the curfuffle, Noirin and Marcus were in the living room and Marcus said that the conversation had lasted for about 2 hours. I'm thinking that the 'bunny comment' was made earlier in the the conversation and then maybe Siavash mentioned it again so that it Noirin wouldn't forget it, or maybe (as someone else has said) it was to get Noirin to kick off. Who knows. We will probably never know the full story now. Damned BB for taking live feed off us grrrrrr

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Originally posted by cup:
i have just watched that

so he did say the names

was that her arguement admit you said the names

oh now it is looking different

she ranted and raved like a lunatic by the accounts on here

I havent seen the live feed but did siavash back track,and deny these allegations,

I watched the LF of the argument and she was like a nutter and went on and on and on and on and on....