Oh yeah, those poor, poor people.  All 27,000 of them.  Many of whom probably have mortgages that they will not be able to pay, debts that they will not be able to pay - and who do you think will be providing for them in the meantime?

27,000 here, 25,000 there - it all adds up.

But thats not 27,000 in total thats just in on small area.....

And if you've never had it so good why were you moaning about your job prospects only a couple of weeks ago?

Sure, better off than working at McDonald's, which is great for someone living with Mummy and Daddy, but not for someone with children at home who will have to pay for someone to look after their children while they work.  Not to mention the costs of transport, clothes/uniforms, etc.

Yeah my job prospets at the moment are rubbish - however in all other respects I am very lucky and I will happily admit that.  I'm not on th greatest wage ever but I am in a fair position.

Why would you need someone to look after the kids if you are on the dole??

And as Suzy said its fine if you are single....blimey years ago i was on crap money when I was single but as I only had myself to keep and lived at home that was when i never had it so good....I had enough to buy clothes and go out every night....20 odd years on with a family and 3 wage earners in the household its a different story

Well I hope that you are not affected by redundancy and have to adapt to living on a completely different budget, but the upside would be that you might be better equipped to actually have an opinion on it based on experience and not on supposition.

I'm not denying that - however this thread is about comments made by Lord Young therefore I refer you back to my first post where I gave you reasons why I beieve he is right.

Ok I think we have to agree to disagree....mainly cos you are wrong and I am right.

I agree (although I'm right and you are wrong so ner ner)!!

Maybe PP is the secret love child of Maggie Thatcher and Michael Hesiltine?

Nah, that's Lord Young.....he's right

Oh look would you believe we have had to revert to personal attacks agian - sorry but this thread was meant for adults!!

What do you think would happen if your company suddenly went bust and the entire staff were made redundant?  Not only would you be competing for jobs with all of your former collegues, but also with people who are better qualified and were made redundant a few months ago? 

What if you didn't have your parents to fall back on?  If you had to pay your own way, do you honestly think you would feel the same way?

Oh here we go...







The Clique...

As I have already said (many times) I do not for one second believe it is easy for people HOWEVER we are talking about a small proportion of the population whereas Lord Young was talking about the whole population.  And for the record I am already competing against people who have been made redundant and have far more exerience than me.

You made the comment that some people say they are better off on the dole than working.  My comment was based on the fact that it costs a lot of money for child care so someone earning a minimum wage would be better off not working and not having to pay for child care.

For example - suppose someone could earn £6.00 an hour and works 40 hours a week.  That person would earn £240 before taxes, however approximately 1/3 would go to the government, leaving £180 take home pay. 

Deduct the cost of child care, probably £100 a week, add travel costs on top of that and a person would be bringing home less than if they worked.

 Hello Suzi...can I borrow you my brick wall to bang your head on while we sing 'always look on the bright side of life'?!

I don't think you are understanding what the real issue is.  27,000 is 4% of the population. That's on top of the milllions that are already unemployed.

While I applaud your determination to see the glass as half full, for many, many people they don't even have a glass.

You are a twenty something graduate.
 
You freely admit you have never experienced some of the stuff that people are talking about .
Yet you  comment and say that it could be a lot worse and that at least there are benefits.
Every argument that people give you, you just throw it back,

IMO I do not think you are qualified to have an opinion about something that you know nothing about .

I do not know what it was like to be a miner in the 1980s during the miners strike for example.

Therefore I would not have the arrogance to either form an opinion or comment on it.

As you get older you will realise that you do not know everything and it is not your god given right to know everything.
And this is not a personal attack - it is some advice. 
If you take it as a personal attack then that is YOUR interpretation,

It's pretty easy to sit in a warm ivory tower while the rest are forced to eat cake!  (God, I hope I don't have to explain that).

You have cake? Posh cahhh!

sonow we are going for patronising instead - for once it would be nice if you couldjust discuss the thread subject rather than discuss me.  You talk about forming opinions about something you know nothing about but you know nothing about me yet you are judging and forming an opinion about me - hmmm!!

I am not patronising you. I am giving the sort of advice I would give my daughter.
I am not discussing you, I am addressing you.

You say I know nothing about you, I do know that you are very opinionated, you have a first class honours degree and you don't like your job and seem to blame everyone else apart from yourself for the fact you cannot get another job.

sorry but would you be able to quote the point at which I did that??

The Clique

If I could be arsed to go back to one of your many threads about  then yes.
But I can't

So I will leave you to it.

Sorry Pengy - I can't be bothered cos it is like Groundhog Day arguing with PP

Oh, wind yer neck in!  You aren't being patronised, like Issy said - it's your interpretation.  You aren't being attacked in her post, you are being disagreed with.

Most of the people who haave posted in this thread have lived a lot longer than you have and have experienced a lot more than you have.  You disregard their opinons in favour of spouting your own, regardless of how uneducated they may be.

You have never had to wonder how to put food on the table for your family, you have never had to count your pennies to buy a loaf of bread.  You have never had to hide in your bedroom when the rent collector came round.  Yet you dismiss those that have.

Have you ever thought about what would happen to you if your parents weren't around?  If you really had to make it on your own?  Somehow, I think your attitude would change.

I'm norty for posting smilies but I really can't be bothered respond to this 'debate' as they all seem to turn out the same and get tanked eventually 

I love a debate as good as the next person.  I may enter a debate with one opinion but I can often leave with another - that's the point of debates, they are supposed to enlighten you or make you think of things from the other side.  I may not agree with everything someone says, but a lot of the time I can see where they are coming from - that's impossible in the debates PP starts. 

I'm off back to watch CDWM 

I think that we do live in one of the amazing countries in the world. we have a fantastic welfare system as it stand today.

Unfortunaly the Tory government is creating a climate of fear and pointing fingers.

Millions of people are now living in fear of losing there jobs.

People on benefits are being called scroungers and  there is talk of the the undeserving poor whoever they are. 

To say you never had it so good when people are crapping themselves is insensitive at best.

It was said to wind people up much like a lot of things said on here

Hevva

Oh, and a big wave to your friends gathered round the computer egging you on

Sure is cheaper entertainment than going down the pub, eh

It may have been insensitive - timing could have been a lot better admittedly however I believe we live in a country where we focus far too much on the negatives - for once lets just focus on the positives.  Yes some people have been affected more than others by this recession but the majority of us have a lot of good in our lives including many things we didn't have 20/30 years ago - shouldn't we focus on that for a change!!

To go back to the original topic.......I think that if anyone in such a position as Lord Young makes such a sweeping generalisation then it shows just how out of touch and ignorant they are.

To say that the nation has 'never had it so good' beggars belief, in my view.

I see your point about quality of life(gadgets etc), Pretty-p, but this issue is primarily about the economy and jobs, Lord Young is a 78 year old peer, and clearly has no idea of what living in these times entails for a lot of people.

I'm sorry, but I just love irony!

PP I have a good life on the whole and I am very happy for what I have but sadly I do not live in a bubble.

I see people I know frightened of what may or is happening. I have one friend that due to this Governments actions may lose a family member. Some one they love might die. Now while I can be happy for me and my life I can also be angry about my friends situations, be they fearing the loss of there job or the death of there loved one.