Did anyone see Mr Farage on the Andrew Marr show this morning ?
No. Did they issue a warning before the programme started?
I just caught the bit before and his interview and then bit after - it was all quite quick. There was a black chap sat next to Farage who made an interesting point about the word "racist".
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That's him! He was scruffy and unconventional but had a certain charm. (Sgt Mick Belker not Nigel Farage)
thanks for clarifying Carnelian
Must admit UKIP always struck me a more a labour spin off type of party but then I've not investigated them that much as I had no interest in them as a party except to know they are something to be avoided at all costs..
As I type this that Farage person is speaking on Andrew Carr.. 
GJ . But that is actually quite an interesting point Olly made...and it made me ponder. I'm not sure I would think of UKIP as a Labour spin off , but I wonder what the party breakdown was of those that voted UKIP ? When I was watching the results come in it certainly appeared as if they made equal gains in Tory , Liberal and hardcore Labour areas. And while I can't say I've given it much thought before ( and I stand to be corrected ), weren't the main BNP gains in previous elections in effectively * Labour heartlands* * waits for GJ's paint brush to hit the opposite wall *
Yeah spin off was probably the wrong word. .I meant they strike me more as Labour types than Tory types
They do tend to take more votes from the Tories because they appeal to Tory values more. Many, many Tory voters would like the idea of a Tory/Ukip pact. Much more so than the present coalition arrangement.
A Labour/Ukip pact is a non-starter because Ukip hold fundamentally Tory values on most social and economic issues. Farage would find lots of natural allies in the Tory party but virtually none in the Labour Party.
From my point of view, Ukip's position on immigration and Europe are not the things with which I have major problems. Immigration should be cut and I am not wholly convinced that the EU is good for the country. I'd vote to stay in the EU but only just. I don't like the way they talk up and exploit racial tension and we should offer asylum when the need is justified. Mostly it's the economic and social policies.
BIB: Well I am a Tory voter and that is the last thing I would want 
I am with you on the last paragraph tho, we need some control, we are nearly bursting at the seams.. .and am not convinced the EU in its current format is that good for us either 
Did anyone see Mr Farage on the Andrew Marr show this morning ?
No. Did they issue a warning before the programme started?
I just caught the bit before and his interview and then bit after - it was all quite quick. There was a black chap sat next to Farage who made an interesting point about the word "racist".
Can you tell us, EC?
Did anyone see Mr Farage on the Andrew Marr show this morning ?
No. Did they issue a warning before the programme started?
I just caught the bit before and his interview and then bit after - it was all quite quick. There was a black chap sat next to Farage who made an interesting point about the word "racist".
Can you tell us, EC?
I've just watched it, it was Trevor Phillips and he made the point that if you even complain about, say, the behaviour of some Mexicans nowadays you are called racist. That it has dragged the word into a name calling insult for anything you might disagree with.
Did anyone see Mr Farage on the Andrew Marr show this morning ?
No. Did they issue a warning before the programme started?
I just caught the bit before and his interview and then bit after - it was all quite quick. There was a black chap sat next to Farage who made an interesting point about the word "racist".
Can you tell us, EC?
I've just watched it, it was Trevor Phillips and he made the point that if you even complain about, say, the behaviour of some Mexicans nowadays you are called racist. That it has dragged the word into a name calling insult for anything you might disagree with.:
And I agree with him ....
Me too Baz, me too - ahem the name of this thread
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Its up there Baz
I love this place too!
Baz just made my month by giving my post above ^^ 15 likes
*struts round with I-got-15-Likes-T-shirt on*
Sorry you're having keyboard trouble Bazzy
Do you think perhaps this thread will qualify for the * taking the thread off topic * award ......I LOVE GaGa
Its up there Baz
I love this place too!
Baz just made my month by giving my post above ^^ 15 likes
*struts round with I-got-15-Likes-T-shirt on*
Sorry you're having keyboard trouble Bazzy
PMSL ....sorry about that ,
I'm posting from the IPad , and for some reason I couldn't * like* your post, so just kept hitting the screen I'm guessing maybe it was a cogs thing
Did anyone see Mr Farage on the Andrew Marr show this morning ?
No. Did they issue a warning before the programme started?
I just caught the bit before and his interview and then bit after - it was all quite quick. There was a black chap sat next to Farage who made an interesting point about the word "racist".
Can you tell us, EC?
I've just watched it, it was Trevor Phillips and he made the point that if you even complain about, say, the behaviour of some Mexicans nowadays you are called racist. That it has dragged the word into a name calling insult for anything you might disagree with.
I could not remember fully the conversation as it was short and I was doing my usual two things at once thing. Thanks for re-watching and posting Squiggle.
You're welcome EC, I paid special attention because of what you said, and as you say it really was nail on the head and I personally think it's about time we put to bed this 'you cannot even talk about immigration, it's racist to do so' lark which is ridiculous nonsense.
Me too Baz, me too - ahem the name of this thread
Yes, but I think in some ways thats exactly the point Pirate might have been trying to make ...hence the * *
Yes, I went back to check I wasn't mortally insulting someone and you're right it was exactly the point Pirate was making, phew!
You're welcome EC, I paid special attention because of what you said, and as you say it really was nail on the head and I personally think it's about time we put to bed this 'you cannot even talk about immigration, it's racist to do so' lark which is ridiculous nonsense.
My sentiments exactly Squiggle
Me too Baz, me too - ahem the name of this thread
Yes, but I think in some ways thats exactly the point Pirate might have been trying to make ...hence the * *
Yes, I went back to check I wasn't mortally insulting someone and you're right it was exactly the point Pirate was making, phew!
Do you think perhaps this thread will qualify for the * taking the thread off topic * award ......I LOVE GaGa
Its up there Baz
I love this place too!
Baz just made my month by giving my post above ^^ 15 likes
*struts round with I-got-15-Likes-T-shirt on*
Sorry you're having keyboard trouble Bazzy
PMSL ....sorry about that , I'm posting from the IPad , and for some reason I couldn't * like* your post, so just kept hitting the screen I'm guessing maybe it was a cogs thing
lol No THANK you Baz 
I've had a sh*t time recently and those 15 likes really cheered me up Sad but true
We know you meant it really... sshhh
Do you think perhaps this thread will qualify for the * taking the thread off topic * award ......I LOVE GaGa
Its up there Baz
I love this place too!
Baz just made my month by giving my post above ^^ 15 likes
*struts round with I-got-15-Likes-T-shirt on*
Sorry you're having keyboard trouble Bazzy
PMSL ....sorry about that , I'm posting from the IPad , and for some reason I couldn't * like* your post, so just kept hitting the screen I'm guessing maybe it was a cogs thing
lol No THANK you Baz I've had a sh*t time recently and those 15 likes really cheered me up Sad but true
We know you meant it really... sshhh
Awww... * whispers...but of course I did *
We know you meant it really... sshhh
Awww... whispers...but of course I did *
Can I have a week's free pass from the naughty step?
We know you meant it really... sshhh
Awww... whispers...but of course I did *
Can I have a week's free pass from the naughty step?
Ok
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We know you meant it really... sshhh
Awww... whispers...but of course I did *
Can I have a week's free pass from the naughty step?
Ok
Aaaallriiiiight!
But NO giraffes ...or the deals off !! 
We know you meant it really... sshhh
Awww... whispers...but of course I did *
Can I have a week's free pass from the naughty step?
Ok
Aaaallriiiiight!
But NO giraffes ...or the deals off !!
Yes Miss Baz
I wonder whether he thinks we are still falling for this rubbish?
You're welcome EC, I paid special attention because of what you said, and as you say it really was nail on the head and I personally think it's about time we put to bed this 'you cannot even talk about immigration, it's racist to do so' lark which is ridiculous nonsense.
I have never seen anyone say that ever.... I will however personally call someone racist if they single out a specific Country, Ethnicity, colour or any type of group of people whilst having an immigration debate...
Is that the beginning of a novel that you are penning?
It doesn't come a lot more off topic than that 10/10
Baz I taped Andrew Marr this morning as I had to pick someone up and take them to church. I have just watched the Paddy Ashdown interview. I don't know whether you saw it or can catch it on iPlayer but it is a master class in pompous arrogance. All about what he wants, says everything about why they are a dying party
Totally agree. I used to rate Paddy Ashdown as a decent and principled politician. Not any more. Like Clegg's lot, he's gone native and is totally self serving.
I wonder whether he thinks we are still falling for this rubbish?
I heard that earlier too ....I'll believe it when I see it
Cameron isn't going to endear himself to the Ukip voting disaffected Tories with this kind of foot stamping, bluster.
We better not leave the EU because Cameron wants to appease the Ukip brigade either. We can't make major decisions just to save Cameron's worthless neck. A proper debate is needed rather than Cameron playing to the Ukip gallery by throwing his toys out of his pram on some lame pretext.
He'll fall flat on his face. There may be a half compromise, Cameron will put his toys back in his pram and claim it as a resounding victory, but I doubt it will impress many who've switched to Ukip.
So why are there so few Pakistani footballers?
Well you'll never know cos I'm not allowed to say 
Unless . . . can I ??
I don't believe it is racism any more although it obviously still exists as a bigoted hatred of skin colour.
I think generally people are sick to the back teeth of people arriving on our shores and being given housing, benefits, and health care at our expense.
Add to that councils being too afraid to put up Christmas trees or have nativity plays in case any muslims object.
The councils should stand their ground.
Live and let live I say.
What happened to "when in Rome?"
If we visit Saudi Arabia we know alcohol is outlawed for example.
Try building a pub over there.
Or a Catholic / C of E cathedral.
They'd shoot you on the spot.....
