I'm itching to say something stupid 
I'd resist if I was you Renton 
It has nothing to do with Hamble from Play School scaring me when I was a kid 
Wurzel Gummidge for me
How would Worzel GUmmidge make you a racist yer wally?
I'd go as far as to say that anyone who is pro EU is anti UK, how could you care or love this country if you want us to be ruled by unelected by the British people MEP's. 
Rather sweeping there if I might say so. I want us in Europe but with a bigger say than what we have and I like my country 
I'd go as far as to say that anyone who is pro EU is anti UK, how could you care or love this country if you want us to be ruled by unelected by the British people MEP's.
Rather sweeping there if I might say so. I want us in Europe but with a bigger say than what we have and I like my country
^^^^ this 
But if people get shouted down for those concerns Dame ....and accused of all sorts ....instead of being able to get it off their chest ....they are easy prey for extremists . And I'm just as scared about the swing to the far right in other European countries as you .
I am not sure about people voicing their opinions getting shouted down Baz...I think the constant blame for everything being put on the immigrants is wrong. I even agree with the Tories and Labour on immigration...talks need to be done. I think walking out on Europe would be the worst thing we could do, I think we would be in an awful mess 
I'm itching to say something stupid
I'd resist if I was you Renton
It has nothing to do with Hamble from Play School scaring me when I was a kid
Wurzel Gummidge for me
How would Worzel GUmmidge make you a racist yer wally?
Yer wot? I mean he scared me.
But if people get shouted down for those concerns Dame ....and accused of all sorts ....instead of being able to get it off their chest ....they are easy prey for extremists . And I'm just as scared about the swing to the far right in other European countries as you .
I am not sure about people voicing their opinions getting shouted down Baz...I think the constant blame for everything being put on the immigrants is wrong. I even agree with the Tories and Labour on immigration...talks need to be done. I think walking out on Europe would be the worst thing we could do, I think we would be in an awful mess
But the point I am trying to make is that while you might feel like that Dame there seems to be an increasing swell of people who do feel immigration is a major factor ....rightly or wrongly ......and simply calling them racists is far , far too simplistic ....and counterproductive IMO .
I'm itching to say something stupid
I'd resist if I was you Renton
It has nothing to do with Hamble from Play School scaring me when I was a kid
Wurzel Gummidge for me
How would Worzel GUmmidge make you a racist yer wally?
Yer wot? I mean he scared me.
Ignoring the fact that the thread is about racism . . . I can see your point. He was scary.
I'm itching to say something stupid
I'd resist if I was you Renton
It has nothing to do with Hamble from Play School scaring me when I was a kid
Wurzel Gummidge for me
How would Worzel GUmmidge make you a racist yer wally?
Yer wot? I mean he scared me.
Ignoring the fact that the thread is about racism . . . I can see your point. He was scary.
I didn't trust Hamble either 
...I can see where you're coming from.
But the point I am trying to make is that while you might feel like that Dame there seems to be an increasing swell of people who do feel immigration is a major factor ....rightly or wrongly ......and simply calling them racists is far , far too simplistic ....and counterproductive IMO .
the problem is that we are increasingly racist Baz...a new poll put out yesterday put a third of the UK as racist and its just not us and that's what I find terrifying.
But if people get shouted down for those concerns Dame ....and accused of all sorts ....instead of being able to get it off their chest ....they are easy prey for extremists . And I'm just as scared about the swing to the far right in other European countries as you .
I am not sure about people voicing their opinions getting shouted down Baz...I think the constant blame for everything being put on the immigrants is wrong. I even agree with the Tories and Labour on immigration...talks need to be done. I think walking out on Europe would be the worst thing we could do, I think we would be in an awful mess
I don't buy this 'shouted down' claim at all. The press and politicians exploit racial divisions all the time. Newspapers lead with race stories all the time. Politicians speak out on immigration all the time. Not just the Tories and Ukip either.
Far from being shouted down, they put those opinions out to generate support and sell newspapers.
They claim to be shouted down, because they think their views are so infallible that they should never be challenged. There's nothing like pretending to be persecuted to give yourself the martyr status. It couldn't be further from the truth.
I don't think UKIP would attract racists for the simple reason that any idiot UKIP MP who tweeted anything racist got booted out of the party, Farage always slates any of the racists who were outed.
But the point I am trying to make is that while you might feel like that Dame there seems to be an increasing swell of people who do feel immigration is a major factor ....rightly or wrongly ......and simply calling them racists is far , far too simplistic ....and counterproductive IMO .
the problem is that we are increasingly racist Baz...a new poll put out yesterday put a third of the UK as racist and its just not us and that's what I find terrifying.
But define racist Dame ? If it's simply wanting the best for your own nation , does that mean those who , for example , want Scottish independence are racist ?
But if people get shouted down for those concerns Dame ....and accused of all sorts ....instead of being able to get it off their chest ....they are easy prey for extremists . And I'm just as scared about the swing to the far right in other European countries as you .
I am not sure about people voicing their opinions getting shouted down Baz...I think the constant blame for everything being put on the immigrants is wrong. I even agree with the Tories and Labour on immigration...talks need to be done. I think walking out on Europe would be the worst thing we could do, I think we would be in an awful mess
I don't buy this 'shouted down' claim at all. The press and politicians exploit racial divisions all the time. Newspapers lead with race stories all the time. Politicians speak out on immigration all the time. Not just the Tories and Ukip either.
Far from being shouted down, they put those opinions out to generate support and sell newspapers.
They claim to be shouted down, because they think their views are so infallible that they should never be challenged. There's nothing like pretending to be persecuted to give yourself the martyr status. It couldn't be further from the truth.
I rest my case
I don't think UKIP would attract racists for the simple reason that any idiot UKIP MP who tweeted anything racist got booted out of the party, Farage always slates any of the racists who were outed.
But he has to do that doesn't he?
I'd go as far as to say that anyone who is pro EU is anti UK, how could you care or love this country if you want us to be ruled by unelected by the British people MEP's.
Rather sweeping there if I might say so. I want us in Europe but with a bigger say than what we have and I like my country
We'll never have a bigger say in Europe, and when I say that pro EU people are anti UK, all I hear from those people is them running this country down...all the time...as if the only answer is EUROPE. 
I don't think UKIP would attract racists for the simple reason that any idiot UKIP MP who tweeted anything racist got booted out of the party, Farage always slates any of the racists who were outed.
But he has to do that doesn't he?
Of course he has to, he doesn't agree with racism. 
I'd go as far as to say that anyone who is pro EU is anti UK, how could you care or love this country if you want us to be ruled by unelected by the British people MEP's.
Rather sweeping there if I might say so. I want us in Europe but with a bigger say than what we have and I like my country
We'll never have a bigger say in Europe, and when I say that pro EU people are anti UK, all I hear from those people is them running this country down...all the time...as if the only answer is EUROPE.
Really?
Again you have it wrong 
I don't think UKIP would attract racists for the simple reason that any idiot UKIP MP who tweeted anything racist got booted out of the party, Farage always slates any of the racists who were outed.
But he has to do that doesn't he?
Of course he has to, he doesn't agree with racism.
Outwardly As you said, he slates anyone who is outed
I'm itching to say something stupid
I'd resist if I was you Renton
It has nothing to do with Hamble from Play School scaring me when I was a kid
Wurzel Gummidge for me
How would Worzel GUmmidge make you a racist yer wally?
Yer wot? I mean he scared me.
Ignoring the fact that the thread is about racism . . . I can see your point. He was scary.
I didn't trust Hamble either ...I can see where you're coming from.
Friends with Scrappy Do, I reckon
But if people get shouted down for those concerns Dame ....and accused of all sorts ....instead of being able to get it off their chest ....they are easy prey for extremists . And I'm just as scared about the swing to the far right in other European countries as you .
I am not sure about people voicing their opinions getting shouted down Baz...I think the constant blame for everything being put on the immigrants is wrong. I even agree with the Tories and Labour on immigration...talks need to be done. I think walking out on Europe would be the worst thing we could do, I think we would be in an awful mess
I don't buy this 'shouted down' claim at all.
No, they are accused of racism...it's just as bad as being shouted down, it destroys freedom of speech...makes all the Liberal high minded classes feel like they have no case to answer, like their views on the world are the only ones worth hearing.
I don't think UKIP would attract racists for the simple reason that any idiot UKIP MP who tweeted anything racist got booted out of the party, Farage always slates any of the racists who were outed.
But he has to do that doesn't he?
Of course he has to, he doesn't agree with racism.
Outwardly As you said, he slates anyone who is outed
Well, unless they are outed how can he know them to be racists?
But define racist Dame ? If it's simply wanting the best for your own nation , does that mean those who want Scottish independence are racist ?
Not at all Baz.... I don't blame the Scottish one bit, although I want them to stay with us. they also want to stay in Europe like many of us do I define racism as things I have heard the very same Ukip candidates suspended for I could point to to one of our local UKIP candidate for spouting the same thing off last week
But if people get shouted down for those concerns Dame ....and accused of all sorts ....instead of being able to get it off their chest ....they are easy prey for extremists . And I'm just as scared about the swing to the far right in other European countries as you .
I am not sure about people voicing their opinions getting shouted down Baz...I think the constant blame for everything being put on the immigrants is wrong. I even agree with the Tories and Labour on immigration...talks need to be done. I think walking out on Europe would be the worst thing we could do, I think we would be in an awful mess
I don't buy this 'shouted down' claim at all.
No, they are accused of racism...it's just as bad as being shouted down, it destroys freedom of speech...makes all the Liberal high minded classes feel like they have no case to answer, like their views on the world are the only ones worth hearing.
That's how I see it too Video .....
I'd go as far as to say that anyone who is pro EU is anti UK, how could you care or love this country if you want us to be ruled by unelected by the British people MEP's.
Rather sweeping there if I might say so. I want us in Europe but with a bigger say than what we have and I like my country
We'll never have a bigger say in Europe, and when I say that pro EU people are anti UK, all I hear from those people is them running this country down...all the time...as if the only answer is EUROPE.
Really?
Again you have it wrong
Clegg, Cameron and OneManBand of Labour, all run this country down, they say we cant even function without mother Europe looking after us...it's insulting.
I don't think UKIP would attract racists for the simple reason that any idiot UKIP MP who tweeted anything racist got booted out of the party, Farage always slates any of the racists who were outed.
But he has to do that doesn't he?
Of course he has to, he doesn't agree with racism.
Outwardly As you said, he slates anyone who is outed
Well, unless they are outed how can he know them to be racists?
What goes on behind closed doors and all that
Anyway, I must retire to my bed now as I'm rather tired and I was going about 25 mins ago
But if people get shouted down for those concerns Dame ....and accused of all sorts ....instead of being able to get it off their chest ....they are easy prey for extremists . And I'm just as scared about the swing to the far right in other European countries as you .
I am not sure about people voicing their opinions getting shouted down Baz...I think the constant blame for everything being put on the immigrants is wrong. I even agree with the Tories and Labour on immigration...talks need to be done. I think walking out on Europe would be the worst thing we could do, I think we would be in an awful mess
I don't buy this 'shouted down' claim at all. The press and politicians exploit racial divisions all the time. Newspapers lead with race stories all the time. Politicians speak out on immigration all the time. Not just the Tories and Ukip either.
Far from being shouted down, they put those opinions out to generate support and sell newspapers.
They claim to be shouted down, because they think their views are so infallible that they should never be challenged. There's nothing like pretending to be persecuted to give yourself the martyr status. It couldn't be further from the truth.
I rest my case
I really don't get how we can have newspapers who constantly lead on immigration and politicians who do the same, to gain votes can claim they're being 'shouted down'.
newspapers are full of this stuff. Politicians talk about it endlessly.
They are confusing alternative views, with being 'shouted down'.
I do get fed up of the most powerful and influential people and organisation playing the persecuted martyr because other people disagree with them.
I'm itching to say something stupid
I'd resist if I was you Renton
It has nothing to do with Hamble from Play School scaring me when I was a kid
Wurzel Gummidge for me
How would Worzel GUmmidge make you a racist yer wally?
Yer wot? I mean he scared me.
Ignoring the fact that the thread is about racism . . . I can see your point. He was scary.
I didn't trust Hamble either ...I can see where you're coming from.
Friends with Scrappy Do, I reckon
Meh he was ok. Now the signature tune from Rhubarb and Custard, that was scary. It gave me palpitations. I'm not joking... must have been a nervous child 
Can I tell a racist joke please - we're all adults, come on
I don't think UKIP would attract racists for the simple reason that any idiot UKIP MP who tweeted anything racist got booted out of the party, Farage always slates any of the racists who were outed.
But he has to do that doesn't he?
Of course he has to, he doesn't agree with racism.
Outwardly As you said, he slates anyone who is outed
Well, unless they are outed how can he know them to be racists?
What goes on behind closed doors and all that
Anyway, I must retire to my bed now as I'm rather tired and I was going about 25 mins ago
Goodnight Sprout 
But define racist Dame ? If it's simply wanting the best for your own nation , does that mean those who want Scottish independence are racist ?
Not at all Baz.... I don't blame the Scottish one bit, although I want them to stay with us. they also want to stay in Europe like many of us do I define racism as things I have heard the very same Ukip candidates suspended for I could point to to one of our local UKIP candidate for spouting the same thing off last week
But what about people who may have voted UKIP and never , ever spouted those sort of things ? Surely nobody agrees with everything a party stands for, be they blue , red or yellow But the inference being made is that voting UKIP tars you with the same brush ...
I don't think UKIP would attract racists for the simple reason that any idiot UKIP MP who tweeted anything racist got booted out of the party, Farage always slates any of the racists who were outed.
But he has to do that doesn't he?
Of course he has to, he doesn't agree with racism.
Outwardly As you said, he slates anyone who is outed
Well, unless they are outed how can he know them to be racists?
What goes on behind closed doors and all that
Anyway, I must retire to my bed now as I'm rather tired and I was going about 25 mins ago
No one said that if they were closet racists that would be alright, but how on earth can any party leader know whats going on in the hearts of all his MP's unless they get outed or let their guard down.
Now Nigel Farage is meant to be a mind reader as well. lol
Goodnight Sprout. 
But if people get shouted down for those concerns Dame ....and accused of all sorts ....instead of being able to get it off their chest ....they are easy prey for extremists . And I'm just as scared about the swing to the far right in other European countries as you .
I am not sure about people voicing their opinions getting shouted down Baz...I think the constant blame for everything being put on the immigrants is wrong. I even agree with the Tories and Labour on immigration...talks need to be done. I think walking out on Europe would be the worst thing we could do, I think we would be in an awful mess
I don't buy this 'shouted down' claim at all. The press and politicians exploit racial divisions all the time. Newspapers lead with race stories all the time. Politicians speak out on immigration all the time. Not just the Tories and Ukip either.
Far from being shouted down, they put those opinions out to generate support and sell newspapers.
They claim to be shouted down, because they think their views are so infallible that they should never be challenged. There's nothing like pretending to be persecuted to give yourself the martyr status. It couldn't be further from the truth.
I rest my case
I really don't get how we can have newspapers who constantly lead on immigration and politicians who do the same, to gain votes can claim they're being 'shouted down'.
newspapers are full of this stuff. Politicians talk about it endlessly.
They are confusing alternative views, with being 'shouted down'.
I do get fed up of the most powerful and influential people and organisation playing the persecuted martyr because other people disagree with them.
I'm not talking about politicians Carnelian ....pirates question was about ordinary people who vote for UKIP being labelled racist .....
Can I tell a racist joke please - we're all adults, come on
No! Go over to DS if you want say something dodgy.
Oh jeez ... I'm a forum-ist.
Can I tell a racist joke please - we're all adults, come on
No! Go over to DS if you want say something dodgy.
Oh jeez ... I'm a forum-ist.
You can't even say "Hello" on DS without getting banned.
If Lorry says I can - i'll tell one
Its rather mild 
But what about people who may have voted UKIP and never , ever spouted those sort of things ? Surely nobody agrees with everything a party stands for, be they blue , red or yellow But the inference being made is that voting UKIP tars you with the same brush ...
I'm not tarring everyone with the same brush and I did state that on the first page, what I did say is a lot of people do not realise a lot of the UKIP candidates hold those views and I do know a lot of BNP have defected to UKIP. I also did say that I didn't think UKIP voters were racist, but I do agree with GJ that most racists did vote Ukip that's those that would have voted for other extreme parties Baz and voted for UKIP because of the immigration issue.
If Lorry says I can - i'll tell one
Its rather mild
A mild racist joke? well that's ok then.
Can I tell a racist joke please - we're all adults, come on
No! Go over to DS if you want say something dodgy.
Oh jeez ... I'm a forum-ist.
Is it catching Rog?
Moonie they're just not the same as us... no offence.
As long as they stay over there
