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Originally Posted by pretty_p:
Originally Posted by sproooot:
Originally Posted by pretty_p:
Originally Posted by Supercalifragilistic:
CC, I'm certainly not in here for a fight, in fact this thread has been the biggest eye opener that I've ever had on here, people so preoccupied with arguing and point scoring that not once did anyone bother to ask if my bil was safe. CC with respect, I don't think you read my posts properly, or at least you put your own incorrect interpretation on them, just as you're accusing others of. I didn't ever say he was unhappy, hates it etc nor did I say he had no choice. Yes I imagine he could have probably found something outside of his area of expertise/ training/ qualifications, but I'm also sure that would have been on a much much lesser salary, that wouldn't have been able to cover the mortgage etc. so in that sense he made his choice, I suppose, to work out there 6 months of the year and be home 6 months and provide well for his family.
Please don't take offence at this but the message I am getting from this post is that he has satyed out there for money - chosen to risk his life for money - now that is completely his choice and I don't wish any harm upon him but I think people in his situation have to understand that they are responsible for their current situation and stop trying to lay the blame at the Governments door for making mistakes in getting them out of there.  He and many others have gone out of choice and whilst I hope that they all get back safely I really don't think that the Governemnt should be the ones footing the bill for that.
But who wouldn't want to provide the best they can for their family? and.......I say it again........a roof over their head.
A family needs more than money - surely taking a risk with your life isn't providing the best for your family - yes it may provide material items but we are in a sorry state of affirs when that becomes the most important thing in life.
Maybe to that person it is......we're all different you know 
FM
Originally Posted by Soozy Woo:
Originally Posted by pretty_p:
Please don't take offence at this but the message I am getting from this post is that he has satyed out there for money - chosen to risk his life for money -.


Love him or hate him - Gadaffi has governed a stable country (not one we approve of but stable all the same) for the last forty years. I really don't see how working in Lybia has been risking your life. PP ...........you  do say some very silly things to back up your points.
I don't think you can really describe a country with a leader like Gadaffi as being stable - someone like him in charge this or someother unrest was bound to happen at some time,
P
Originally Posted by pretty_p:
Please don't take offence at this but the message I am getting from this post is that he has satyed out there for money - chosen to risk his life for money - now that is completely his choice .

But his life wasn't at immediate risk 'for money' before. He stays out there as has been pointed out several times to provide an income for his family. His life is at risk now because of recent events, so home he comes. To be honest whether his company bring him home or the government does who really cares? *I'm glad he's safe Soops*. It's not a waste of taxpayers money to rescue British people from a war zone.

Paying two halfwit milliionaires to drive the country into ruin is a waste of taxpayers money.
Prometheus
Originally Posted by pretty_p:
Please don't take offence at this but the message I am getting from this post is that he has satyed out there for money - chosen to risk his life for money - now that is completely his choice 
You're SERIOUSLY having a laugh if you think I'm not going to take offence at that PP. He's been there for 30 years, why the hell you think that he would know that being there would suddenly become life threatening I've no idea. Of course he wouldn't have taken any such risk, for his or his family's sake, had he known this was imminent.
FM
Supes, I hope your family are safe. I know someone who works in Kuwait, makes an absolute packet but is lonely as hell. He's there to make money for his future, he was offered an opportunity and took it - why shouldn't he? Can't remember who said that megabucks salaries don't always equate to career happiness, but they were right.
Karma_
Originally Posted by pretty_p:
I don't think you can really describe a country with a leader like Gadaffi as being stable - someone like him in charge this or someother unrest was bound to happen at some time,
Well he's governed a country for far longer than your lifespan so relatively speaking it was stable. If people from this country managed to make a living out there when they struggled to find work at home ......................why would you see them in danger? It really isn't there own doing. Would you rather them be back here on the dole?
Soozy Woo
The Foreign Nationals are the lucky ones in being able to get out of the country, even though it may have taken some time. Lets not forget about the families from lesser nations who dont have this privilage and are stuck there wanting to get out. I can see all this Middle East unrest ending in tears one way or another!. What regimes will follow? Good or Bad it is all a worry for the west.
FM

The British government has come under fire for not reacting swiftly or responsible enough, as it did in the case of the uprising in Egypt, and yesterday British PM David Cameron offered a public apology for the government’s slow reaction. Saying that, there was a problem with the fact that the airspace was closed down for almost a day and then insurer Lloyds of London slowed things down as it wanted to agree with the government on partial cover of indemnity.

After a few days and nights of constant communication with British officials, Managing Director of Epic-Air, Alan Henderson, informed The Daily today that a plane had successfully landed in Tripoli to collect stranded British citizens and possibly others. For security reasons, we cannot disclose any of the details of the flight yet, but The Daily will be providing updated reports on this rescue effort, led by Slovak-based company Epic-Air.



Read more: EXCLUSIVE: Slovak company gets Brits out of Libya | The Daily News – Slovakia http://www.thedaily.sk/2011/02...libya/#ixzz1F13d3lUR
FM
Originally Posted by Supercalifragilistic:
Originally Posted by pretty_p:
Please don't take offence at this but the message I am getting from this post is that he has satyed out there for money - chosen to risk his life for money - now that is completely his choice 
You're SERIOUSLY having a laugh if you think I'm not going to take offence at that PP. He's been there for 30 years, why the hell you think that he would know that being there would suddenly become life threatening I've no idea. Of course he wouldn't have taken any such risk, for his or his family's sake, had he known this was imminent.
Well if you choose to take offence that is your choice however as I said that was not my intention.  However I firmly believe that if you choose to work in a country governed by a person like Gadaffi you must understand that you are taking a risk - just one of the reasons why such jobs pay so well really.
P
Originally Posted by Prometheus:
But his life wasn't at immediate risk 'for money' before. He stays out there as has been pointed out several times to provide an income for his family. 
Exactly Prom, and from recollection, if he was unemployed/not fully providing for his family but relying to a greater or lesser extent on state benefits when he had an offer of a job, albeit abroad, PP would be the first person to be jumping on him for that.
FM
Originally Posted by pretty_p:
.  However I firmly believe that if you choose to work in a country governed by a person like Gadaffi you must understand that you are taking a risk - just one of the reasons why such jobs pay so well really.
As Soozy pointed out, Libya has been pretty stable.. certainly deemed stable enough by the powers that be for Blair and his cronies to do deals with .
A logical extension of your argument there  would mean the UK, with its track record of involvement in conflict, would be deemed a high risk place to work.. should we all be be making plans to relocate?
FM
Originally Posted by Slinkiwitch x:
As Soozy pointed out, Libya has been pretty stable.. certainly deemed stable enough by the powers that be for Blair and his cronies to do deals with .
A logical extension of your argument there  would mean the UK, with its track record of involvement in conflict, would be deemed a high risk place to work.. should we all be be making plans to relocate?

Was just about to say something similar - with the terrorism threat to the major cities, should foreigners or even Britons who reside outside the cities refrain from taking higher paid employment (or even, possibly the only chance of employment) because of the potential risk?
Karma_
Originally Posted by Karma_:
For those who say these people shouldn't be helped - would you think differently if it were a sibling, relative or friend out there?
Astounding, eh?! We can bail out the bankers, go to war at a day's notice.. but try to get British citizens out of a danger zone? ooohhh, dunno about that ! 
FM
Originally Posted by Slinkiwitch x:
Originally Posted by Karma_:
For those who say these people shouldn't be helped - would you think differently if it were a sibling, relative or friend out there?
Astounding, eh?! We can bail out the bankers, go to war at a day's notice.. but try to get British citizens out of a danger zone? ooohhh, dunno about that ! 
Brilliant post Slinki 
FM
Originally Posted by Slinkiwitch x:
Originally Posted by Karma_:
For those who say these people shouldn't be helped - would you think differently if it were a sibling, relative or friend out there?
Astounding, eh?! We can bail out the bankers, go to war at a day's notice.. but try to get British citizens out of a danger zone? ooohhh, dunno about that ! 

It's mad isn't it! *shakes head*
Karma_
Originally Posted by sproooot:
Originally Posted by Jonesy:
 I can see all this Middle East unrest ending in tears one way or another!. What regimes will follow? Good or Bad it is all a worry for the west.
I always said it wouldn't be the Ruskies that would cause another war 
Forget the Ruskies. This latest outburst across loads of countries in the Middle East should make the West worried. 12 to 14 countries wanting to and having succeeded in some of them in toppling the ruling party.
FM
Originally Posted by pretty_p:
Well if you choose to take offence that is your choice however as I said that was not my intention.  However I firmly believe that if you choose to work in a country governed by a person like Gadaffi you must understand that you are taking a risk - just one of the reasons why such jobs pay so well really.
Pretty P - you are young - you are naive - and often you're offensive. The situation in the middle east has suddenly erupted. If it was one of your family there you may well feel different. They earn well yes (but not a fortune) ......but the life isn't a bed of roses. People do what they do ....................your lack of empathy and understanding (not just on this thread) is startling. Do you have sympathies with anyone? Yo really do come across as incredibly col;d and hard hearted. Why? Do you have sympathy with anyone or anything?
Soozy Woo
Originally Posted by Jonesy:
Originally Posted by sproooot:
Originally Posted by Jonesy:
 I can see all this Middle East unrest ending in tears one way or another!. What regimes will follow? Good or Bad it is all a worry for the west.
I always said it wouldn't be the Ruskies that would cause another war 
Forget the Ruskies. This latest outburst across loads of countries in the Middle East should make the West worried. 12 to 14 countries wanting to and having succeeded in some of them in toppling the ruling party.
We can now I guess
FM
Originally Posted by Soozy Woo:
Originally Posted by pretty_p:
Well if you choose to take offence that is your choice however as I said that was not my intention.  However I firmly believe that if you choose to work in a country governed by a person like Gadaffi you must understand that you are taking a risk - just one of the reasons why such jobs pay so well really.
Pretty P - you are young - you are naive - and often you're offensive. The situation in the middle east has suddenly erupted. If it was one of your family there you may well feel different. They earn well yes (but not a fortune) ......but the life isn't a bed of roses. People do what they do ....................your lack of empathy and understanding (not just on this thread) is startling. Do you have sympathies with anyone? Yo really do come across as incredibly col;d and hard hearted. Why? Do you have sympathy with anyone or anything?
If you would like to discuss the topis at hand I will happily do so however I am not going to respond to this post as I have not intention of allowing the thread to turn into one of arguments and personal attacks.
P
Originally Posted by pretty_p:
Well if you choose to take offence that is your choice however as I said that was not my intention.  However I firmly believe that if you choose to work in a country governed by a person like Gadaffi you must understand that you are taking a risk - just one of the reasons why such jobs pay so well really.
No, it never is your 'intention' is it PP...  All of us take risks every day, calculated risks, and understand that we're doing that. Your calculation is clearly that the people out there should have known this was imminent, I disagree and shall leave it at that.
FM
Originally Posted by pirate1111:
Originally Posted by slimfern:
Originally Posted by pirate1111:
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
I'm being ignored , thanks guys, I thought I had a place in this forum, obvouisly not.

cos you have a go on people..?
Shuddup ya wally .........

no
i wont
i will not
i shan't
so there
that told you..




*titters*
Silly bugger!
slimfern
Originally Posted by kattymieoww:
Originally Posted by Karma_:
For those who say these people shouldn't be helped - would you think differently if it were a sibling, relative or friend out there?
Said the same pages back...get them out.Pay back later if needed,rather than "Let them stew!"
Well quite - I would rather see the UK's money being spent saving these people instead of being put on MP's expenses.
Karma_
Originally Posted by Karma_:
For those who say these people shouldn't be helped - would you think differently if it were a sibling, relative or friend out there?
I'd say : if you were devoid of compassion and humanity, yes, and then if by chance they did get back you could just wag your finger and tell them that it was their own stupid fault...Thankfully those kind of people are few and far between
FM

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