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Originally Posted by erinp:

 

Originally Posted by Scotty:
Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by Scotty:
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:

An independant Scotland doesn't mean an SNP Scotland, there'll be a mix of parties in Scotland just as there are in the UK - the only difference will be that they'll not be run by Westminster. Also, if the vote should go in the YES direction, nothing will change overnight - any changes are likely to be a leisurely transition.

Exactly. If the vote is yes, the transition and negotiating period between the the Scottish Government and the UK Government will be over a period of 18 months. Independence day, if it happens, will be 26th March 2016.  Weeks after that (can`t remember the date right now) there will a general election. The people of Scotland, for the first time in over 30 years, will have the Government they voted for.  

What are we negotiating exactly ?Fiscal Policy/Welfare system/Defence/Crown.

Are telling me that we are being asked to vote YES on 18TH Sept then around 18 months later we will be told what voting YES really means for us!!

A Yes vote will put us out of Europe immediately..fact.

 

The independence details are in the White Paper. 602 pages. I`ve read it.  If the vote is yes, the main negotations will be the Currency Union and entry into the EU. The scaremongering of the CU and EU have blown out of the water by experts far and wide. Research it. Both will happen...fact.  Scotland is the 14th richest country in the western world. The UK is the 18th. Westminster and the elite rich boys in power only want to hold on to us for the revenues. They don`t give damn about Scotland (or the rest of the UK apart from London and the SE) or it`s people. Bedroom tax, Welfare cuts, NHS privitisation and more is heading our way if the vote is no. Osborne has promised his austerity plan will continue and Miliband if he gets in, promises to do the same. He`s a Thatcher fan..fact.  We don`t have control over any this but we will if we vote yes. It`s up to you and everyone as to which way you vote but I don`t want to be ruled by London and the ermin clad pigs in the trough elite who don`t care about us. I don`t know what`s been posted while I was typing this..took me ages. I`ll try to have a look back later, my tea`s oot.   

Alex Salmond wants a currency union which is very unlikely, do you honestly think the rest of the UK are going to agree a currency union,do they want to be on the hook for our debt? .Don't you think we should know when we go to the polls what the fiscal policy will be .

Dennis Canavan who is part of the YES campaign wants Scotland to have it's own currency!!

And Salmond has also hinted at a plan B.

 

Clear as mud then . 

I think a currency union is going to happen if Scotland splits from the UK,  UK is fairly desperate as is the USA,  to keep the nuclear deterrent in Scotland, the price for that would be a currency union.

But if Scotland have a currency union with the UK, then they will have to give up control of large parts of any control over their own fiscal policy, otherwise  we'll end with  a mess like Greece.

So, that would beg the question, isn't that what Scotland has already?

jacksonb
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
Originally Posted by erinp:

 

Originally Posted by Scotty:
Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by Scotty:
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:

An independant Scotland doesn't mean an SNP Scotland, there'll be a mix of parties in Scotland just as there are in the UK - the only difference will be that they'll not be run by Westminster. Also, if the vote should go in the YES direction, nothing will change overnight - any changes are likely to be a leisurely transition.

Exactly. If the vote is yes, the transition and negotiating period between the the Scottish Government and the UK Government will be over a period of 18 months. Independence day, if it happens, will be 26th March 2016.  Weeks after that (can`t remember the date right now) there will a general election. The people of Scotland, for the first time in over 30 years, will have the Government they voted for.  

What are we negotiating exactly ?Fiscal Policy/Welfare system/Defence/Crown.

Are telling me that we are being asked to vote YES on 18TH Sept then around 18 months later we will be told what voting YES really means for us!!

A Yes vote will put us out of Europe immediately..fact.

 

The independence details are in the White Paper. 602 pages. I`ve read it.  If the vote is yes, the main negotations will be the Currency Union and entry into the EU. The scaremongering of the CU and EU have blown out of the water by experts far and wide. Research it. Both will happen...fact.  Scotland is the 14th richest country in the western world. The UK is the 18th. Westminster and the elite rich boys in power only want to hold on to us for the revenues. They don`t give damn about Scotland (or the rest of the UK apart from London and the SE) or it`s people. Bedroom tax, Welfare cuts, NHS privitisation and more is heading our way if the vote is no. Osborne has promised his austerity plan will continue and Miliband if he gets in, promises to do the same. He`s a Thatcher fan..fact.  We don`t have control over any this but we will if we vote yes. It`s up to you and everyone as to which way you vote but I don`t want to be ruled by London and the ermin clad pigs in the trough elite who don`t care about us. I don`t know what`s been posted while I was typing this..took me ages. I`ll try to have a look back later, my tea`s oot.   

Alex Salmond wants a currency union which is very unlikely, do you honestly think the rest of the UK are going to agree a currency union,do they want to be on the hook for our debt? .Don't you think we should know when we go to the polls what the fiscal policy will be .

Dennis Canavan who is part of the YES campaign wants Scotland to have it's own currency!!

And Salmond has also hinted at a plan B.

 

Clear as mud then . 

I think a currency union is going to happen if Scotland splits from the UK,  UK is fairly desperate as is the USA,  to keep the nuclear deterrent in Scotland, the price for that would be a currency union.

But if Scotland have a currency union with the UK, then they will have to give up control of large parts of any control over their own fiscal policy, otherwise  we'll end with  a mess like Greece.

So, that would beg the question, isn't that what Scotland has already?

The white paper has Trident nuclear weapons, currently based on the Clyde, removed within the first parliament.

FM
Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
Originally Posted by erinp:

 

Originally Posted by Scotty:
Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by Scotty:
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:

An independant Scotland doesn't mean an SNP Scotland, there'll be a mix of parties in Scotland just as there are in the UK - the only difference will be that they'll not be run by Westminster. Also, if the vote should go in the YES direction, nothing will change overnight - any changes are likely to be a leisurely transition.

Exactly. If the vote is yes, the transition and negotiating period between the the Scottish Government and the UK Government will be over a period of 18 months. Independence day, if it happens, will be 26th March 2016.  Weeks after that (can`t remember the date right now) there will a general election. The people of Scotland, for the first time in over 30 years, will have the Government they voted for.  

What are we negotiating exactly ?Fiscal Policy/Welfare system/Defence/Crown.

Are telling me that we are being asked to vote YES on 18TH Sept then around 18 months later we will be told what voting YES really means for us!!

A Yes vote will put us out of Europe immediately..fact.

 

The independence details are in the White Paper. 602 pages. I`ve read it.  If the vote is yes, the main negotations will be the Currency Union and entry into the EU. The scaremongering of the CU and EU have blown out of the water by experts far and wide. Research it. Both will happen...fact.  Scotland is the 14th richest country in the western world. The UK is the 18th. Westminster and the elite rich boys in power only want to hold on to us for the revenues. They don`t give damn about Scotland (or the rest of the UK apart from London and the SE) or it`s people. Bedroom tax, Welfare cuts, NHS privitisation and more is heading our way if the vote is no. Osborne has promised his austerity plan will continue and Miliband if he gets in, promises to do the same. He`s a Thatcher fan..fact.  We don`t have control over any this but we will if we vote yes. It`s up to you and everyone as to which way you vote but I don`t want to be ruled by London and the ermin clad pigs in the trough elite who don`t care about us. I don`t know what`s been posted while I was typing this..took me ages. I`ll try to have a look back later, my tea`s oot.   

Alex Salmond wants a currency union which is very unlikely, do you honestly think the rest of the UK are going to agree a currency union,do they want to be on the hook for our debt? .Don't you think we should know when we go to the polls what the fiscal policy will be .

Dennis Canavan who is part of the YES campaign wants Scotland to have it's own currency!!

And Salmond has also hinted at a plan B.

 

Clear as mud then . 

I think a currency union is going to happen if Scotland splits from the UK,  UK is fairly desperate as is the USA,  to keep the nuclear deterrent in Scotland, the price for that would be a currency union.

But if Scotland have a currency union with the UK, then they will have to give up control of large parts of any control over their own fiscal policy, otherwise  we'll end with  a mess like Greece.

So, that would beg the question, isn't that what Scotland has already?

The white paper has Trident nuclear weapons, currently based on the Clyde, removed within the first parliament.

Well of course it does, it's  the negotiating card that trumps the UK pound.

jacksonb
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:

There are two takes on the European situation - one side says if you leave the UK you also automatically leave Europe and will have to apply to join - the other side says Scotland is already in Europe, so there's no need to join again.

I'm not aware of anyone clarifying that situation (again I might just not be paying enough attention) and if it is 'YES' and Scotland is out of Europe - is it a good or bad thing?

I'm sure I heard the president saying  that Scotland would have to apply as an indepeendent country and it would be  up to  all the current members to allow them to join, if they met the criteria, but  a unanimous vote was not certain.

jacksonb
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:

There are two takes on the European situation - one side says if you leave the UK you also automatically leave Europe and will have to apply to join - the other side says Scotland is already in Europe, so there's no need to join again.

I'm not aware of anyone clarifying that situation (again I might just not be paying enough attention) and if it is 'YES' and Scotland is out of Europe - is it a good or bad thing?

I'm sure I heard the president saying  that Scotland would have to apply as an indepeendent country and it would be  up to  all the current members to allow them to join, if they met the criteria, but  a unanimous vote was not certain.

Correct I posted the vid on the previous page .

FM
Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by Scotty:

Don`t underestimate what the Tories or the now leaning to the right Labour party will do in their need to be in power. If UKIP get the votes, they`ll negotiate.

 

Labour will never be in bed with UKIP it's also not part of the independence debate..

Stick to the argument regarding a YES vote in the Sept 18th elcetions and not try and use UKIP or any other party to scare the people of Scotland into a YES vote.

Weird!  Ukip grass roots voters down south absolutely despise Labour.  Their main gripe against Cameron is he's too left wing. They would not want a coalition with Labour in a million years.  They are instinctive Tories who think the Tories have gone to seed since Saint Maggie of Grantham was in charge.  Their dream is a Tory pact with Ukip and Farage being elected leader.

 

I know, bizarre but true.  So Ukip are pulling a Lib Dem trick as far as I can see, being one thing in the Tory heartlands and trying to pretend to be something else in the north.  Except with it's even more cynical with Ukip as they are to the right of the Tories economically and socially.  Farage wants to pose as the champion of the working class while Ukip would shaft the working class in ways even the nasty party wouldn't dare.

Carnelian
Last edited by Carnelian
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
Originally Posted by erinp:

 

Originally Posted by Scotty:
Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by Scotty:
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:

An independant Scotland doesn't mean an SNP Scotland, there'll be a mix of parties in Scotland just as there are in the UK - the only difference will be that they'll not be run by Westminster. Also, if the vote should go in the YES direction, nothing will change overnight - any changes are likely to be a leisurely transition.

Exactly. If the vote is yes, the transition and negotiating period between the the Scottish Government and the UK Government will be over a period of 18 months. Independence day, if it happens, will be 26th March 2016.  Weeks after that (can`t remember the date right now) there will a general election. The people of Scotland, for the first time in over 30 years, will have the Government they voted for.  

What are we negotiating exactly ?Fiscal Policy/Welfare system/Defence/Crown.

Are telling me that we are being asked to vote YES on 18TH Sept then around 18 months later we will be told what voting YES really means for us!!

A Yes vote will put us out of Europe immediately..fact.

 

The independence details are in the White Paper. 602 pages. I`ve read it.  If the vote is yes, the main negotations will be the Currency Union and entry into the EU. The scaremongering of the CU and EU have blown out of the water by experts far and wide. Research it. Both will happen...fact.  Scotland is the 14th richest country in the western world. The UK is the 18th. Westminster and the elite rich boys in power only want to hold on to us for the revenues. They don`t give damn about Scotland (or the rest of the UK apart from London and the SE) or it`s people. Bedroom tax, Welfare cuts, NHS privitisation and more is heading our way if the vote is no. Osborne has promised his austerity plan will continue and Miliband if he gets in, promises to do the same. He`s a Thatcher fan..fact.  We don`t have control over any this but we will if we vote yes. It`s up to you and everyone as to which way you vote but I don`t want to be ruled by London and the ermin clad pigs in the trough elite who don`t care about us. I don`t know what`s been posted while I was typing this..took me ages. I`ll try to have a look back later, my tea`s oot.   

Alex Salmond wants a currency union which is very unlikely, do you honestly think the rest of the UK are going to agree a currency union,do they want to be on the hook for our debt? .Don't you think we should know when we go to the polls what the fiscal policy will be .

Dennis Canavan who is part of the YES campaign wants Scotland to have it's own currency!!

And Salmond has also hinted at a plan B.

 

Clear as mud then . 

I think a currency union is going to happen if Scotland splits from the UK,  UK is fairly desperate as is the USA,  to keep the nuclear deterrent in Scotland, the price for that would be a currency union.

But if Scotland have a currency union with the UK, then they will have to give up control of large parts of any control over their own fiscal policy, otherwise  we'll end with  a mess like Greece.

So, that would beg the question, isn't that what Scotland has already?

The white paper has Trident nuclear weapons, currently based on the Clyde, removed within the first parliament.

Well of course it does, it's  the negotiating card that trumps the UK pound.

Well I and other will be campaigning  very hard to make sure that a NO vote is returned .

FM
Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
Originally Posted by erinp:

 

Originally Posted by Scotty:
Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by Scotty:
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:

An independant Scotland doesn't mean an SNP Scotland, there'll be a mix of parties in Scotland just as there are in the UK - the only difference will be that they'll not be run by Westminster. Also, if the vote should go in the YES direction, nothing will change overnight - any changes are likely to be a leisurely transition.

Exactly. If the vote is yes, the transition and negotiating period between the the Scottish Government and the UK Government will be over a period of 18 months. Independence day, if it happens, will be 26th March 2016.  Weeks after that (can`t remember the date right now) there will a general election. The people of Scotland, for the first time in over 30 years, will have the Government they voted for.  

What are we negotiating exactly ?Fiscal Policy/Welfare system/Defence/Crown.

Are telling me that we are being asked to vote YES on 18TH Sept then around 18 months later we will be told what voting YES really means for us!!

A Yes vote will put us out of Europe immediately..fact.

 

The independence details are in the White Paper. 602 pages. I`ve read it.  If the vote is yes, the main negotations will be the Currency Union and entry into the EU. The scaremongering of the CU and EU have blown out of the water by experts far and wide. Research it. Both will happen...fact.  Scotland is the 14th richest country in the western world. The UK is the 18th. Westminster and the elite rich boys in power only want to hold on to us for the revenues. They don`t give damn about Scotland (or the rest of the UK apart from London and the SE) or it`s people. Bedroom tax, Welfare cuts, NHS privitisation and more is heading our way if the vote is no. Osborne has promised his austerity plan will continue and Miliband if he gets in, promises to do the same. He`s a Thatcher fan..fact.  We don`t have control over any this but we will if we vote yes. It`s up to you and everyone as to which way you vote but I don`t want to be ruled by London and the ermin clad pigs in the trough elite who don`t care about us. I don`t know what`s been posted while I was typing this..took me ages. I`ll try to have a look back later, my tea`s oot.   

Alex Salmond wants a currency union which is very unlikely, do you honestly think the rest of the UK are going to agree a currency union,do they want to be on the hook for our debt? .Don't you think we should know when we go to the polls what the fiscal policy will be .

Dennis Canavan who is part of the YES campaign wants Scotland to have it's own currency!!

And Salmond has also hinted at a plan B.

 

Clear as mud then . 

I think a currency union is going to happen if Scotland splits from the UK,  UK is fairly desperate as is the USA,  to keep the nuclear deterrent in Scotland, the price for that would be a currency union.

But if Scotland have a currency union with the UK, then they will have to give up control of large parts of any control over their own fiscal policy, otherwise  we'll end with  a mess like Greece.

So, that would beg the question, isn't that what Scotland has already?

The white paper has Trident nuclear weapons, currently based on the Clyde, removed within the first parliament.

Well of course it does, it's  the negotiating card that trumps the UK pound.

Well I and other will be campaigning  very hard to make sure that a NO vote is returned .

I don't want Scotland to separate themselves from England.....
It would be like having great toast without butter! 

slimfern
Originally Posted by slimfern:



Well of course it does, it's  the negotiating card that trumps the UK pound.

Well I and other will be campaigning  very hard to make sure that a NO vote is returned .

I don't want Scotland to separate themselves from England.....
It would be like having great toast without butter! 

 

totally agree...I never say I'm English...I always say I'm British 

Dame_Ann_Average
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:
Originally Posted by erinp:

I have to laugh ,my first post on this thread was keeping out because I don't want my BP going off the scale

 

I have some BP tablets I can spare you if required.

My older brother took a heart attack and the family had to be tested and I was the only other member of the family found to have high BP  I was given medication. (Ramipril).

FM
Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:
Originally Posted by erinp:

I have to laugh ,my first post on this thread was keeping out because I don't want my BP going off the scale

 

I have some BP tablets I can spare you if required.

My older brother took a heart attack and the family had to be tested and I was the only other member of the family found to have high BP  I was given medication. (Ramipril).

FM
Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:
Originally Posted by erinp:

I have to laugh ,my first post on this thread was keeping out because I don't want my BP going off the scale

 

I have some BP tablets I can spare you if required.

My older brother took a heart attack and the family had to be tested and I was the only other member of the family found to have high BP  I was given medication. (Ramipril).

They tried me on those and also Lisinopril, but they didn't work. I'm on Candesartan now and they seem to be having the desired effect.

 

Hope the Ramipril's working well for you.

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:
Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:
Originally Posted by erinp:

I have to laugh ,my first post on this thread was keeping out because I don't want my BP going off the scale

 

I have some BP tablets I can spare you if required.

My older brother took a heart attack and the family had to be tested and I was the only other member of the family found to have high BP  I was given medication. (Ramipril).

They tried me on those and also Lisinopril, but they didn't work. I'm on Candesartan now and they seem to be having the desired effect.

 

Hope the Ramipril's working well for you.

Seem to be ,cheers EFFT.

I had no idea I had HB or how serious it was .

FM
Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:
Originally Posted by erinp:

I have to laugh ,my first post on this thread was keeping out because I don't want my BP going off the scale

 

I have some BP tablets I can spare you if required.

My older brother took a heart attack and the family had to be tested and I was the only other member of the family found to have high BP  I was given medication. (Ramipril).

I'm on that amongst other BP medication   as you were 

FM
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:
Originally Posted by erinp:

I have to laugh ,my first post on this thread was keeping out because I don't want my BP going off the scale

 

I have some BP tablets I can spare you if required.

My older brother took a heart attack and the family had to be tested and I was the only other member of the family found to have high BP  I was given medication. (Ramipril).

I'm on that amongst other BP medication   as you were 

I seem to have taken this thread off topic smiley photo: Off topic smiley offtopic.gif

FM
Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:
Originally Posted by erinp:

I have to laugh ,my first post on this thread was keeping out because I don't want my BP going off the scale

 

I have some BP tablets I can spare you if required.

My older brother took a heart attack and the family had to be tested and I was the only other member of the family found to have high BP  I was given medication. (Ramipril).

I'm on that amongst other BP medication   as you were 

I seem to have taken this thread off topic smiley photo: Off topic smiley offtopic.gif

S'OK I love a diverging thread 

FM
Originally Posted by marc kelly:
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
Originally Posted by marc kelly:
Originally Posted by jacksonb:

Marc, old pal, it's 'you're' not 'your', within the context that you were using.

jacksonb, old bean, thanx for the correction, my grammer is rubbish

& think I have spelt grammer incorrectly too. 

Think nothing more of it, you are like family to us now.

I like You, you have made me laugh, signing off now but will definitely be back

soon for some more exchanges of opinion, probably on a different subject though. see ya soon

eat popcorn smiley photo: Eat Popcorn Smiley eatpopcorn.gif

FM
Originally Posted by Enthusiastic Contrafibularities:
Originally Posted by Jenstar:

I wonder if any of our  new members will become regulars....

 

Hmmm let me think about thatâ€Ķ I've thought about that. No, my considered opinion is no they won't.

 

Is that because they can't handle a good debate do you think?  

FM
Originally Posted by Sprout:
Originally Posted by Enthusiastic Contrafibularities:
Originally Posted by Jenstar:

I wonder if any of our  new members will become regulars....

 

Hmmm let me think about thatâ€Ķ I've thought about that. No, my considered opinion is no they won't.

 

Is that because they can't handle a good debate do you think?  

 

I think it is because they can't handle the fast paced wit and superior intellects that the FM's on here posses in abundance.

Enthusiastic Contrafibularities
Originally Posted by Enthusiastic Contrafibularities:
Originally Posted by Sprout:
Originally Posted by Enthusiastic Contrafibularities:
Originally Posted by Jenstar:

I wonder if any of our  new members will become regulars....

 

Hmmm let me think about thatâ€Ķ I've thought about that. No, my considered opinion is no they won't.

 

Is that because they can't handle a good debate do you think?  

 

I think it is because they can't handle the fast paced wit and superior intellects that the FM's on here posses in abundance.

FM
Originally Posted by Aimee:
Originally Posted by jacksonb:

       
Originally Posted by Aimee:
Never thought starting a thread would bring all these new people how did they find us, are we being watched eek

Some one I know googled the thread title and your ( or you're for the less educated that cann't master our own language) thread was 3rd on the list! I  

assume you mean me? unfortunately I was diagnosed with a learning disorder at a young age & couldn't read or write properly until I was around 13 years old, I still struggle to this day but hope you can understand my views & opinions that I try to put across even with the bad

grammar etc. Thank You.


       


Look what I've started "sobs"

 

MK
Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by jacksonb:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by jacksonb:

Apparently Britain's got talent ( I would prefer ' Britain has talent myself) is on now.

 

I'm in a quandary.

 

you've definitely made me forget about my cold and sore throat today Jackson..I've laughed at every post 

Look on the bright side at least you don't have the  shits.

 

Talking of shit

I cannot deny that nigels toilet mouth is very, very funny

MK
Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by marc kelly:
Originally Posted by Sprout:
Originally Posted by Starsky:

I am not a racist, in fact I love our country and just do not want it to be destroyed by people who do not care what happens to it.

when they are ready they can all go home, this is my home and I cherish it and it values.

i do not want to see England being taken for a ride.

And that statement my friend, is just what typifies you as a racist 

Starsky, Ignore the people that pull out the old (Your a racist) chesnut, just 

because they are happy being governed by Brussels, they just want to shut

you up & that's the only way they know how to, I get called a racist online

all the time & my mother is jamaican & my Father is Irish, don't let them

bully you, they have all lost the argument the same way Nick clegg did when

he was slaughtered by Nigel Farag. talk about kamikasi mission ha ha. 

Brussels is very good to Farage and friends.

 

His party want out of the EU but that isn't keeping them off the Brussels expenses gravy train

61K: Nigel Farage

UKIP leader Nigel Farage and his Euro MPs claimed nearly ÂĢ800,000 in expenses and allowances from the EU in one year while campaigning for Britain to leave.

The party’s grasping MEPs billed taxpayers ÂĢ370,000 for office costs and got nearly ÂĢ420,000 subsistence allowances for meals and hotels.

And they boosted UKIP coffers with more than ÂĢ400,000 donations of their own money ahead of May’s Euro elections.

MEP and deputy party leader Paul Nuttall employed 12 members of staff at public expense. Mr Farage and East Midlands MEP Roger Helmer even put their wives on the Brussels payroll. The UKIP leader's German wife Kirsten earned up to ÂĢ30,000 while Sara Helmer pocketed up to ÂĢ20,000.

A source said: “Farage makes a big thing of pretending UKIP are different from other parties. But this shows they’re even worse.”

Papers seen by the Sunday Mirror show UKIP MEPs claimed an average of ÂĢ35,635 each in “general expenditure allowances” in 2012.

Gerard Batten.JPG51K: Gerard Batten

 

Officials say the cash should cover “office management costs”.

The allowances came on top of their ÂĢ79,000 salaries, first class travel expenses and “daily subsistence allowance”.

UKIP MEPs claimed the daily allowance for an average of 86 days each, in accordance with EU rules. Labour MEPs claimed around 128 days each, suggesting they were in Parliament more often.

Mr Nuttall, North West MEP, claimed the daily subsistence allowance just 30 times in 2012 and has donated ÂĢ12,400 to UKIP since election in 2009, according to the Electoral Commission. His allowances claims last year ran to ÂĢ40,436. He was among seven MEPs who gave UKIP a total of ÂĢ425,978 in cash and other benefits after election.

Mike Nattrass, West Midlands MEP59K: Mike Natrass

 

The others are: Derek Clark, East Midlands, ÂĢ56,822 general and subsistence allowances, ÂĢ187,000 party donations since 2004; Stuart Agnew, East of England, ÂĢ78,486 allowances, ÂĢ31,000 donations since 2009; Mike Nattrass, West Midlands, ÂĢ59,845 allowances, ÂĢ96,000 donations since 2004, resigned in September; Godfrey Bloom, Yorkshire and Humber, ÂĢ46,722 allowances, ÂĢ72,000 donations since 2004. He quit the UKIP Euro MPs group after saying British aid went to “bongo bongo land”.

MEPs who made no donations but claimed allowances include: Gerard Batten, London, ÂĢ51,977; John Bufton, Wales, ÂĢ49,550; William Legge, South West, ÂĢ53,813 and Roger Helmer, East Midlands, ÂĢ67,410.

Mr Farage’s allowances of ÂĢ61,065 only includes subsistence for the last six months. In 2009, he said his MEPs would “provide a quarterly expenses statement”. We found they have not published any for more than a year. Campaign group European Movement UK said: “UKIP’s position is hypocritical.”

UKIP said: “Our MEPs claim allowances like other MEPs. Mr Farage employs his wife because his office is in his home for which he doesn’t charge the taxpayer.”


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Don't care if they all make 1 million a day, just get us out of this insane

situation, they are passionate to take back control & make my life better,

that's all that counts

MK
Originally Posted by marc kelly:
Originally Posted by Aimee:
Originally Posted by jacksonb:

       
Originally Posted by Aimee:
Never thought starting a thread would bring all these new people how did they find us, are we being watched eek

Some one I know googled the thread title and your ( or you're for the less educated that cann't master our own language) thread was 3rd on the list! I  

assume you mean me? unfortunately I was diagnosed with a learning disorder at a young age & couldn't read or write properly until I was around 13 years old, I still struggle to this day but hope you can understand my views & opinions that I try to put across even with the bad

grammar etc. Thank You.

I assume you mean me? unfortunately I was diagnosed with a learning disorder at a young age & couldn't read or write properly until I was around 13 years old, I still struggle to this day but hope you can understand my views & opinions that I try to put across even with the bad grammar etc, Thank You.
 
 

 

MK

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