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Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
 


But it doesn't have to be used to a lower class to you, it could be used as just an insult.

 

 

 

 

well it associated with the lower classes, and he would have know that.... 

But do you think in that split second he used that word (and he still says he didn't say the word) that he thought about the history and real meaning of that word...in the heat of the moment?   I doubt it.

 

He may have used it in the spur of the moment, as we all do from time to time when we use an insulting word to someone. lol

 

 

 

It wasn't a split second, he said more than that and he's still denying it.. and now we have Gideon trying to get out of paying first class fares... they are behaving like Patricians, he knew exactly what he was saying. 

Dame_Ann_Average
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Baz:
It's a storm in a teacup as far as I'm concerned, one that Labour has made a meal off ! But hey ho, what goes around tends to come around in politics , so their day will come ...and given their record probably sooner rather than later


Boy oh boy, have Labour and their idiot leader (who can't talk properly) jumped all over this like a tramp on chips lol.

I for one minute don't think the other side's 'clean' either 

FM
Originally Posted by Sprout:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Baz:
It's a storm in a teacup as far as I'm concerned, one that Labour has made a meal off ! But hey ho, what goes around tends to come around in politics , so their day will come ...and given their record probably sooner rather than later


Boy oh boy, have Labour and their idiot leader (who can't talk properly) jumped all over this like a tramp on chips lol.

I for one minute don't think the other side's 'clean' either 

Ain't that the truth.

Videostar
Originally Posted by Videostar:

And now Labour will treat the Osbourn train ticket thing being like the Great Train Robbery, and old Dick - Ed will be hunting him down and ruining next weeks PMQ's., instead of talking about the real and important issues that face real people.

If one's doing it though, how many more are? And that could save us a few poonds  

FM
Originally Posted by Sprout:
Originally Posted by Videostar:

And now Labour will treat the Osbourn train ticket thing being like the Great Train Robbery, and old Dick - Ed will be hunting him down and ruining next weeks PMQ's., instead of talking about the real and important issues that face real people.

If one's doing it though, how many more are? And that could save us a few poonds  

I really dont care if any of them are sneaking a free train ride or going first class when they have a standard class ticket, there are bigger things in the world to worry about....unless your the Labour leader who will make this out to be the crime of the century...expect Martin Kemp to be doing a programme about this awful crime on Alibi channel soon.

Videostar

It's the sheer hypocrisy of the polis pursuing a resignation in this that grinds my gears outside Labour making political capital.  Just look at the gross ineptitude (- that's being generous!  ) of the boys in blue that's hit the news recently right up to today when someone can get away with murder even when they've confessed. It's about time more than a few of them were going.

 

They're a bunch of jokers.

FM
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
 
 


Boy oh boy, have Labour and their idiot leader (who can't talk properly) jumped all over this like a tramp on chips lol.

 

 

Jesus wept.... I give up 


You know the old audio cassette tapes, and when you didn't load them into the machine correctly and played the tape it sounded very weird and slightly muffled, then you would have to eject the cassette and put it back in and it would play better?

 

Thats the Labour leaders voice. 

Videostar
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Sprout:
Originally Posted by Videostar:

And now Labour will treat the Osbourn train ticket thing being like the Great Train Robbery, and old Dick - Ed will be hunting him down and ruining next weeks PMQ's., instead of talking about the real and important issues that face real people.

If one's doing it though, how many more are? And that could save us a few poonds  

I really dont care if any of them are sneaking a free train ride or going first class when they have a standard class ticket, there are bigger things in the world to worry about....unless your the Labour leader who will make this out to be the crime of the century...expect Martin Kemp to be doing a programme about this awful crime on Alibi channel soon.

No, it's not the crime of the century and no, I'm not the Labour leader. but as I said....I do care. After all......we're all in it together  

FM
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Videostar:


Boy oh boy, have Labour and their idiot leader (who can't talk properly) jumped all over this like a tramp on chips lol.

 

 

Jesus wept.... I give up 


You know the old audio cassette tapes, and when you didn't load them into the machine correctly and played the tape it sounded very weird and slightly muffled, then you would have to eject the cassette and put it back in and it would play better?

 

Thats the Labour leaders voice. 

His voice has got nothing to do with the debate in this thread 

FM
Originally Posted by Sprout:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Sprout:
Originally Posted by Videostar:

And now Labour will treat the Osbourn train ticket thing being like the Great Train Robbery, and old Dick - Ed will be hunting him down and ruining next weeks PMQ's., instead of talking about the real and important issues that face real people.

If one's doing it though, how many more are? And that could save us a few poonds  

I really dont care if any of them are sneaking a free train ride or going first class when they have a standard class ticket, there are bigger things in the world to worry about....unless your the Labour leader who will make this out to be the crime of the century...expect Martin Kemp to be doing a programme about this awful crime on Alibi channel soon.

No, it's not the crime of the century and no, I'm not the Labour leader. but as I said....I do care. After all......we're all in it together  

But some of us are in it more than others.

Videostar
Originally Posted by Sprout:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Videostar:


Boy oh boy, have Labour and their idiot leader (who can't talk properly) jumped all over this like a tramp on chips lol.

 

 

Jesus wept.... I give up 


You know the old audio cassette tapes, and when you didn't load them into the machine correctly and played the tape it sounded very weird and slightly muffled, then you would have to eject the cassette and put it back in and it would play better?

 

Thats the Labour leaders voice. 

His voice has got nothing to do with the debate in this thread 


It does with me, he does my head in...annoying little man that he is...a terrible leader.

Videostar
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Sprout:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Sprout:
Originally Posted by Videostar:

And now Labour will treat the Osbourn train ticket thing being like the Great Train Robbery, and old Dick - Ed will be hunting him down and ruining next weeks PMQ's., instead of talking about the real and important issues that face real people.

If one's doing it though, how many more are? And that could save us a few poonds  

I really dont care if any of them are sneaking a free train ride or going first class when they have a standard class ticket, there are bigger things in the world to worry about....unless your the Labour leader who will make this out to be the crime of the century...expect Martin Kemp to be doing a programme about this awful crime on Alibi channel soon.

No, it's not the crime of the century and no, I'm not the Labour leader. but as I said....I do care. After all......we're all in it together  

But some of us are in it more than others.

Ain't that the truth! 

FM
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Sprout:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Videostar:


Boy oh boy, have Labour and their idiot leader (who can't talk properly) jumped all over this like a tramp on chips lol.

 

 

Jesus wept.... I give up 


You know the old audio cassette tapes, and when you didn't load them into the machine correctly and played the tape it sounded very weird and slightly muffled, then you would have to eject the cassette and put it back in and it would play better?

 

Thats the Labour leaders voice. 

His voice has got nothing to do with the debate in this thread 


It does with me, he does my head in...annoying little man that he is...a terrible leader.

We're all entitled to our views but why make a point of what kind of voice he has. Surely you vote on manifestos right? 

FM
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
Originally Posted by Videostar:

Can someone tell me, when was the insult "pleb" an upper class insult to call the lower classes?

 

Im certainly not upper class in anyway but i've heard the pleb insult for years and years from where I grew up and went to school....but according to the labour party only the upper classes have ever heard of the "pleb" word and are the only ones to ever use it as an insult to mock us common folk.

 

 

That's not true at all. Anybody who uses the expression does it to insult (unless it's done in a joking environment). It's a put down, pure and simple.
,

Of course it's to insult someone, but it's not always used as a class based insult...it's just a insulting negative name to call someone.

True, but in this case it was. He wanted them to know their place.

cologne 1

Jacob Rees-Mogg claiming on Newsnight that first and standard class distinctions on trains are too confusing for the ikkle Chancellor of the Exchequer, Gideon's brain.

 

 

What???

 

And Jacob Rees-Mogg, defending it!  How incompetent does the Tory party have to be to wheel out the ultimate caricature of an upper class Tory?

 

If he wore a top hat, carried a pocket watch and a sported a monocle he wouldn't look more of an upper class twit.

 

 

Carnelian
Last edited by Carnelian
Originally Posted by Videostar:

And now Labour will treat the Osbourn train ticket thing being like the Great Train Robbery, and old Dick - Ed will be hunting him down and ruining next weeks PMQ's., instead of talking about the real and important issues that face real people.

Oh come on videostar, that's a bit rich!  We've had at least three years of Coalition politicians commencing every reply with "the mess the last lot left" or quoting Chris Bryant's moronic "There's no money left" note, as if the global credit crunch was Gordon Brown's doing!

 

Labour were far from perfect in office and did make some costly errors of judgement but they didn't create the global credit crunch.

Carnelian
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
Originally Posted by Videostar:

Can someone tell me, when was the insult "pleb" an upper class insult to call the lower classes?

 

Im certainly not upper class in anyway but i've heard the pleb insult for years and years from where I grew up and went to school....but according to the labour party only the upper classes have ever heard of the "pleb" word and are the only ones to ever use it as an insult to mock us common folk.

 

 

That's not true at all. Anybody who uses the expression does it to insult (unless it's done in a joking environment). It's a put down, pure and simple.
,

Of course it's to insult someone, but it's not always used as a class based insult...it's just a insulting negative name to call someone.

True, but in this case it was. He wanted them to know their place.


How do you know that lol?  come on.

 

You dont know the motives (if any) behind his comment.  

Videostar
Originally Posted by Carnelian:
Originally Posted by Videostar:

And now Labour will treat the Osbourn train ticket thing being like the Great Train Robbery, and old Dick - Ed will be hunting him down and ruining next weeks PMQ's., instead of talking about the real and important issues that face real people.

Oh come on videostar, that's a bit rich!  We've had at least three years of Coalition politicians commencing every reply with "the mess the last lot left" or quoting Chris Bryant's moronic "There's no money left" note, as if the global credit crunch was Gordon Brown's doing!

 

Labour were far from perfect in office and did make some costly errors of judgement but they didn't create the global credit crunch.

But the Tories weren't trying to get Labour MP's sacked.

Videostar
Originally Posted by Carnelian:
Originally Posted by Videostar:

And now Labour will treat the Osbourn train ticket thing being like the Great Train Robbery, and old Dick - Ed will be hunting him down and ruining next weeks PMQ's., instead of talking about the real and important issues that face real people.

Oh come on videostar, that's a bit rich!  We've had at least three years of Coalition politicians commencing every reply with "the mess the last lot left" or quoting Chris Bryant's moronic "There's no money left" note, as if the global credit crunch was Gordon Brown's doing!

 

Labour were far from perfect in office and did make some costly errors of judgement but they didn't create the global credit crunch.

It wasn't Chris Bryant, he'd be mortified to be associated with that! It was Liam Byrne.

suzybean
Originally Posted by Baz:
Well that's ok Carnelian , cos Labour spent the first two terms of their office blaming the Conservatives for everything and anything . Guess it's tit for tat

That's par for the course.  Blair jumped all over the James Bulger case as a narrative to illustrate the failure of Tory values.  Likewise, Cameron used a similar tragedy as his narrative for 'Broken Britain'.

 

However, blaming the global recession on Labour and their welfare spending  is a big, big lie. And a treasonous lie to the British people.

 

A politically motivated lie to deflect blame from the bankers who cost tax payers BILLIONS to bail out while scapegoating benefits claimants and 'Gordon selling the gold'. 

 

Blair's big lie was WMDs, which was disgraceful in another way entirely but they never lied about the Tories like the Coalition has lied about Labour.

Carnelian
Originally Posted by suzybean:
Originally Posted by Carnelian:
Originally Posted by Videostar:

And now Labour will treat the Osbourn train ticket thing being like the Great Train Robbery, and old Dick - Ed will be hunting him down and ruining next weeks PMQ's., instead of talking about the real and important issues that face real people.

Oh come on videostar, that's a bit rich!  We've had at least three years of Coalition politicians commencing every reply with "the mess the last lot left" or quoting Chris Bryant's moronic "There's no money left" note, as if the global credit crunch was Gordon Brown's doing!

 

Labour were far from perfect in office and did make some costly errors of judgement but they didn't create the global credit crunch.

It wasn't Chris Bryant, he'd be mortified to be associated with that! It was Liam Byrne.

Apologies, wrong person.  Suffice to say, a stupid comment that has been endlessly quoted by coalition MPs eager to evade defending their own policies.

Carnelian
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by pirate1111:

andy 'pleb' mitchell has resigned and george osborne caught trying to use a standard ticket in first class on train

pair of tossers

 

nice example to the country

Yep, you lefties are getting your pound of flesh.

 

Where were you when Labour MP's were upto no good?

I AM NO F*CKING LEFTIE

im someone who is p*ssed off with these w*nkers, ALL MP w*nkers taking the p*ss and telling us what is right and what is wrong

dont you EVER sum me up, you dont know me

 

i simply dont like these people telling me whats right and wrong yet they feel justified to take the p*ss because of who they are

pirate1111
Originally Posted by pirate1111:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by pirate1111:

andy 'pleb' mitchell has resigned and george osborne caught trying to use a standard ticket in first class on train

pair of tossers

 

nice example to the country

Yep, you lefties are getting your pound of flesh.

 

Where were you when Labour MP's were upto no good?

I AM NO F*CKING LEFTIE

im someone who is p*ssed off with these w*nkers, ALL MP w*nkers taking the p*ss and telling us what is right and what is wrong

dont you EVER sum me up, you dont know me

 

i simply dont like these people telling me whats right and wrong yet they feel justified to take the p*ss because of who they are

I'll vouch for you there, you're no ******* leftie! Unlike me!

Carnelian
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Carnelian:
Originally Posted by Videostar:

And now Labour will treat the Osbourn train ticket thing being like the Great Train Robbery, and old Dick - Ed will be hunting him down and ruining next weeks PMQ's., instead of talking about the real and important issues that face real people.

Oh come on videostar, that's a bit rich!  We've had at least three years of Coalition politicians commencing every reply with "the mess the last lot left" or quoting Chris Bryant's moronic "There's no money left" note, as if the global credit crunch was Gordon Brown's doing!

 

Labour were far from perfect in office and did make some costly errors of judgement but they didn't create the global credit crunch.

But the Tories weren't trying to get Labour MP's sacked.

Oh, I think they did when the opportunity arose. 

 

Personally, I regard Andrew Mitchell as a bit unfortunate.  I think he just lost his cool and was stating what many of his party probably think in private and THAT is his undoing.  It might even be less than that, as many use 'pleb' as a substitute for 'chav'.  However, the Tories under Dave, Gideon and Bozo have to be seen not to be a party of the establishment elite looking down their noses at the 'plebs', so for that reason he had to go. You can blame the Tories as much as Labour for that one!

 

It wouldn't have mattered under Thatcher's gov't as her lot had grammar school middle class credentials.  Having said that, Thatcher would have dumped him in a heart beat.

 

I don't think his actions merit his resignation against a backdrop of widespread MP corruption over expenses.  Ed's calls for his sacking were opportunistic, but Ed has to play the game and score the points.  It all adds to a chipping away of the government's credibility. You can't shout 'foul' over something the Tories would have done had the positions been reversed.

Carnelian
Originally Posted by cologne 1:

...and now we get Sir George Young as the next Chief Whip. He mused some ten years ago that the homeless are the ones one stepped over coming out of the Opera. Frying pan - fire springs to mind.

A "grandee", thought he was dead TBH.  That was back in the days when "Thatcher's Children", the red braces "yuppie" floppy fringed city boys thought it a great laugh to p**s on the homeless as they slept in shop doorways.  Loadsamoney! 

Carnelian

I don’t see why the fuzz should have to open the main Downing Street gates when it isn’t a necessity and when a perfectly good side-gate can be used.

 

Good riddance to the arrogant little oik – a little more humility at the time (ie a personal apology to the officer involved) would have ended this – but that clearly isn’t Andrew Mitchell.

Cold Sweat

If the Tory party are ever in trouble, then as sure as eggs is eggs their supporters claim that all MPs are the same.

Alas! In this case I think that they are correct.

I never thought that I would see the day when commentators attempted to define politics by which party were the most law abiding, twattier hairstyled, suitier, and just generally inoffensive.

Will anyone, anywhere, ever come up with an alternative to the Thatcherite market economy?

As a  supposed opposition we are becoming excited by whether or not someone swore at a PC. Surely we  are better than this.

Garage Joe
Originally Posted by squiggle:

Can't remember who said it but I thought it was a very wise remark someone once said.  'Anyone who expresses an interest in standing for public office should be prohibited from ever doing such a thing'  It's never gonna happen but you do get a bit fed up with the people who are only in it for what they can get out of it.

I said something similar to someone the other day Squiggle, they're all selfish and in it for what they can get, because the back stabbers of this world are the only type of people devious enough to make it into these positions of power.

 

Anyone honest wouldn't even get halfway into these jobs so why are we so  surprised when they show their true colours?

Jen-Star
Obviously MPs aren't all bent. They may be bent where you are but you voted for them. Last time around we lost two perfectly adequate Tees Valley Labour women. That they followed in the style of St Mo of Mowlam was not sufficient to save them and we ended up with an opportunistic local Tory and a Joker in Redcar. Let us have no more talk about spoiling ballot papers or it may appear that you are pissing on the memory of tho
Garage Joe
Originally Posted by Videostar:
Originally Posted by Dame_Ann_Average:
Originally Posted by Videostar:
 
 


Boy oh boy, have Labour and their idiot leader (who can't talk properly) jumped all over this like a tramp on chips lol.

 

 

Jesus wept.... I give up 


You know the old audio cassette tapes, and when you didn't load them into the machine correctly and played the tape it sounded very weird and slightly muffled, then you would have to eject the cassette and put it back in and it would play better?

 

Thats the Labour leaders voice. 

We need to stick a biro in his ear and wind him up a tighter.

jacksonb

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