That is good one Kimota. You've saved me som trawling. Cheers!

They are indeed! I have spent an hour reading the threads and posting !

Celebrity Big Brother 2014 bosses have warned Evander Holyfield after the boxer told Luisa Zissman he suggested homosexuality can be cured, and compared it to being ‘handicapped’.

The pair had spent almost all their time in the house together thanks to the series launch twist, which saw the housemates being paired off and handcuffed together until further notice.

However, former Apprentice contestant Luisa became uncomfortable with Evander last night when she asked him whether there are any gay people in boxing, leading the heavyweight champion to reveal his opinions on same-sex relationships.

After Evander said he thinks they “ain’t normal”, Luisa attempted to end the conversation – which had not come to light until it was aired on Channel 5 this evening – but he proceeded to imply that homosexuality could be ‘fixed’.

The transcript of their chat, as aired in the latest highlights show, is as follows:

Luisa: Is there any gay boxers?

Evander: Yeah, I’m sure there is.

Luisa: Is it public knowledge?

Evander: Ain’t no-one came out and said they were.

Luisa: I think it’s really bad that no-one stands up and says it in the sporting industries. I think it’s good to be open about that because it’s normal.

Evander: What would be good about it? That ain’t normal.

Luisa: We shouldn’t have this conversation. No, let’s not have this conversation, it won’t be good.

Evander: The bible let’s you know, that’s wrong, that’s right.

Luisa: That’s just the way some people are.

Evander: No, it don’t make no difference. If you were born and your leg were turned this way, what do you do, you go to the doctor and get it fixed back right.

Luisa: It’s not about being fixed, it’s about… that’s just the way that you are.

Evander: No no no no no, you mean to tell me…

Luisa: I really don’t want to have this conversation.

Evander: I’m not mad, I’m just saying…

Luisa: You don’t understand, I don’t think it’s an appropriate conversation to have in this house, honestly.

Evander: All I’m trying to tell you, you know how handicapped people are born, you can’t say because they were born that way…

Luisa: You can’t compare, of course you can’t compare someone that’s gay to someone that’s handicapped, it’s not a choice.

Evander: Yes it is a choice, come on, that ain’t the way nobody is made.

Luisa: I’m tired. I don’t think people have a choice in their sexuality, or they would be unhappy.

Today, Big Brother called Evander to the Diary Room to caution him about offensive language, but stopped short of giving him an formal reprimand.

“Before you entered the Big Brother house, the rules regarding unacceptable language and behaviour were explained to you. Last night, in a conversation with Luisa, you expressed the view that being gay was not normal and that it could be fixed,” explained Big Brother.

“While Big Brother understands these are the views you hold, they aren’t the views that are held by a large section of society and expressing these views will be extremely offensive to many people. Do you understand why?”

“Yeah I understand why, I forgot about the thing,” Evander answered. “I was just telling her my opinion, but it’s not like I was gonna mention it to anybody else, that was just our conversation.”

“Big Brother does not tolerate the use of offensive language and must therefore warn you to consider very carefully the effect expressing such views may have and the harm and offence you may cause by repeating these views inside the house,” the all-seeing eye continued. “Do you understand, Evander?”

“Okay then,” said Evander. “Yes I do.”

Read more: http://www.bbspy.co.uk/cbb13/n...r-2014#ixzz2pZPB4icY

Yeah I liked that one too; thanks Kimota  

Good one Erin! It's clear from that, that Luisa was warning him that this wasn't a convo that they should be having in the BB house!

I couldn't resist, I powered up the lappy and went in. Typical DS 

Never said he wasn't entitled to his opinions/beliefs, I was mainly starting the thread to say that him expressing them has put his chances of winning to ZERO.

It certainly has.

He said to the woman assistant to the knife thrower "show us your gash for bangers and mash"  not even I am that crude, and would never say that to a total stranger...or even the woman in my life for that matter.

Hmmm, im not a big fan of those who spout out crazy beliefs and hide behind their religion as an excuse as to why they have those opinions.

 

He is of course entitled to his opinions, but he should be man enough to step up and say that those are HIS VIEWS and not that "it's my religion" , it's a cop out to say it's what the bible teaches him.

I think most religious followers of whatever book they read do mix and match, without exception, they, like the rest of us, choose to believe the teaching that closely supports their own opinion and ignore the conflict of texts that do not support that view.

i.e. homosexuality is a sin an aberration and can be fixed  -    god has made man in his own image, we are all god's children.

So which one is it? you accept everyone as a child of god warts and all, or you decide that in some cases god got it wrong?

Makes no sense, he has a right to his view , it's a very simplistic view,can't say I find it offensive, , but maybe I would if I were gay.

 

I can see how his view can be deemed offensive but I honestly do not think he meant it like that. Why did he sign on to do this show? didnt nobody tell him the dos and donts of the show? This show can be career suicide.

I think I am going to be against the grain here.. [gets ready to duck]

 

I think BB were completely out of order with the way they dealt with the whole thing in public. Evander holds some very warped beliefs, a lot out there hold similar, they all need to be educated about how ridiculous their beliefs are and in order to educate them we actually do need to hear what those views are so we can point them in a different direction however, he was not evangelising about his beliefs to the whole house, he was having a quiet private convo with a fellow Housemate. .

 

it didn't need to be broadcast, he could have been pulled aside and told if he had that convo in a wider group within the house and tried to convert people to his way of thinking or used it as an intended insult against the gay community then that would be against the rules.. .He could also be told that his beliefs are likely to cause offence to the majority and to be aware that expressing them widely would cause offence.. to me I just looked at the TV and felt sad at his, and all those that think the same way, ignorance.. 

 

My point is none of what went on needed to be shown as it was a private convo which developed because of questions Luisa asked about were there any gay boxers.. having said that I hate boxers [legalised beating up] so bye bye Evander and take Dippy with you

 

 

I sort of agree with this Olly. I don't think it was necessary for us to see it ......he could have been taken into the DR and told that it was unwise/unacceptable to make those remarks in case they may have been broadcast and could causev offence. It wasn't part of any larger conversation and it didn't link into a 'story line'. Not really necessary to agitate and fan flames IMO.

 

 

Whops - I said I was gonna stay out of BB discussions

I don't think you're going against the grain Olly (not from my point of view anyway - that's what I was trying to say last night)    He's wrong, obviously, but it was his opinion and, yes, it didn't have to be shown

 

From Kimota's post

 

There are laws against inciting hatred based upon sexuality in this country and BB has to be careful not to fall foul of those. 

 

I think that's the crux of it.. he wasn't trying to incite anything or insult anyone directly (although I accept the sentiment is insulting to the gay community)  He was discussing his belief, based on his religion, in much the same way that Jim was disagreeing with Liz earlier about animals being 'beasts of burden' and hence he sees no wrong in eating them. 

Apparently Rylan had a rant about it on Twitter last night but he's since removed his comments, he basically said he found the comments disgusting and he wasn't broken 

Soozy that was what I was trying to say. .it wasn't part of any storyline or mass discussion so had no part in the edit other than to show him for the idiot he is with such beliefs.. they could have pointed that out to him in private so he didn't raise those issues in something that may make an edit as they are offensive views.. but sadly many people think the same way. .

 

If BB want to be seen as forward thinking I think a discussion on the topic to educate people would do more good but, that would be too grown up and serious for BB wouldn't it 

 

kaffy glad I wasn't going agaisnt the grain..

 

Aimee I understand why Rylan went mad but if hadn't been shown and wasn't on LF he'd have been none the wiser.. he's not daft enough to not know it is a common belief amongst a lot of ignorant people.. and lots like Evander aren't too bright in the brain department to even express why they believe what they believe properly either, thus making it sound even more offensive as they try to explain something they appear to just have been brainwashed about and haven't really thought about properly.. sadly

Last Reply by Roger the Alien (fka noseyrosie)   where is it??·            

Exactly Suzy. Our current Pope when asked about his stance on homosexuality said "Who am I to judge anyone" despite the Catholic Churches teachings, i.e. he took a more gentle Christ-like approach, rather than hellfire and brimstone.

 

Its almost like New Testament vs Old Testament.

Ditto. I think he should have been thrown out... its a derogatory, offensive remark [ private conversation, private beliefs or not]. Surely discrimination is discrimination? If one of the lesser celebs made those remarks... they'd have been turfed out that night like that BB Emily who said the "N" word.

 

Mind you on second thoughts, this is Ch 5, and they have Jim Davidson in there.

Yeah Rosie C5 don't care. I still haven't got over the tyranny of Conor and how he was allowed to stay after coming out with all that graphic violent language.

 

Evander needs to revisit his Bible (Old and New) and see what it also says about marriage and divorce. I think he mentioned he had 3 ex-wives (or 3 marriages). The Bible says more about that than homosexuality, but then again he's probably glossed over those passages.

 

 Oh you're so right! I forgot about that.. AND they allowed him to go home with a fortune.

Yes... three wives - wouldn't that be adultery? Thou shalt not commit adultery. Evander must only know 9 commandments 

Homosexuality isn't even mentioned in the 10 Commandments. Maybe Moses dropped that one 

 

I do understand why it is mentioned in the Bible though. It was written (or divinely inspired) in a time when there was little or no civilisation so it was included in a roundabout way to stop people rogering everything and everyone around them senseless.

 

edited to add...and the context of Biblical times was all about multiplying so obviously there was more emphasis on creating children. That ruled all forms of sodomy (men and women) and even spilling of seed. Look what happened to poor Onan! If that was still the case most men today would be wiped out in an instant  

 

The Bible...you can twist it any way you want to....if you are trying to justify some hatred ...which is not what its all about at all....

 

lets just love one another and burn the books

 

There's a saying "the Devil could quote scripture for his own purpose" 

Well he certainly ploughs the fields and scatters his good seed on the land. He has eleven children by five different women. I do rather object to bible bashers who pick and choose what they want to follow. If he's that devout and sticks rigidly to the bibles teachings at least he should have some consistency.

Amen! ^^^

Olly is right. It is his opinion and as long as he's not directly abusing someone then he's entitled to them. Most of us disagree with his opinion but why should expressing one opinion warrant a punishment from BB but another opinion doesn't?

Had he started aggressively abusing someone with his opinions, that would be a different matter.

No chance of winning though now.

Would you think we didn't need to see it if (lets say) Jim Davidson said the same thing?

That's a tricky one TBH. If it had been said in the same quiet one to one way that this conversation was conducted then yes I think my opinion would be the same. It had no connection with anything else going on - wasn't directed at anyone in particular and it was just one of many other conversations that took place. I think BB just love a bit of controversy and like to make the headlines ......being that it was a US contestant the headlines will go much further too.

 

I'm not 'iron clad' in my view on this TBH - it just seemed a bit unnecessary.

I would feel exactly the same whoever it was, as it happens I detest boxing and any participants in that so called 'sport'  but if it was a private convo between two people and not relevant to any storyline or part of any other conversation going on and only shown for effect/headlines/sensationalism rather than anything else.. then yes regardless of whom said what I don't think it should be shown. .not to hide anything but it if you aren't going to follow thru with an educational debate then leave it to programmes that do that sort of thing..  

 

if it was going to be followed thru as a proper grown up discussion then yes bring it up, show it,  get the whole house discussing it, educate those people of a similar view who are also fans of the show.. .. but this is BB and proper grown up stuff doesn't happen on BB never mind serious debate ..

I'm not iron clad in my opinion of this either to be honest. One of the reasons is that I have family that hold similar views and although I don't love them any less, I do kinda look at them with incredulity and a sort of pity. I allow for their age and where they were brought up (Ghana) and just let them carry on. The big difference is that most of their disdain is expressed within the confines of our own homes and not broadcast.

Fair play to you...I think Im in agreement with you on this.

Gerry Stergiopoulos ‏@GerryGreek

 

Regarding the #BBUK HOMOPHOBIA controversy:
It is NOT about "Freedom of speech" or if "Evander is entitled to his opinion". People have no more choice in being homosexual than being black. 
Would Mr Holyfield tolerate derogatory comments about his race?

I'm glad that Channel 5 chose to broadcast this. The audience spend real money voting for these people, thus it is only fair that they know in advance what these “Celebs” in need of cash are REALLY like. 

No Evander Holifield, Homosexuality is NOT a “choice”. 
On the other hand being an ignorant bigot certainly IS...

Ps. I wonder if Mr Holyfield is really in a position to offer his bigoted views on morality & provide biblical quotes to justify them... You know after having 11 kids by 6 different women, several while still married.

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwww - the lovely, delectable Jerry - one of my all time favourite HM's.

Gerry was a lovely guy.