As much as he is entitled to have his opinion, I agree, he has killed all chances of winning.

 

Although, did he really ever have any hope of winning anyway? the guy is way too quiet and dull to win.

He shot himself in the foot.

I think that's a sure fire TKO 

Yes...I'm not sure he can pull back after that  

The fear and prejudice spread by religion

I didn't catch all that he said, didn't he also say something about, "handicapped people"

Yes he did, not sure what it was as he mumbled through most of it.

He probably wouldn't have won anyway, but whilst you're still on your feet you always have a chance. But he's just knocked himself down, the count has gone and he's K.O'd!!!

If I was Luisa I'd get my bags packed if they are up for eviction. The only thing that might save them is if Dappy continues to mount Jasmine.

  for any one good thing religion might have brought to the world it has brought 10 more bad things with it.

It wasn't so much the religion part of what he said. Everyone knows what's in the bible, that's nothing new to viewers.

The knockout punch was the "if you're born with a leg the wrong way you can get that fixed" (in comparison to being gay)
That's some comparison !!! It's so shocking and offensive that it's almost funny.

No, I missed that bit too (and I'm not particularly interested in his view on that score either  .

That said, if you put a person who follows religion quite closely into that house it's bound to cause a stink at some point.  

The god botherers just cant help themselves.

If he goes then so I hope does Luisa(if it's two out in the pairing they went in) .

He is allowed a religious view, what was offensive is saying they can be fixed imo

But, isn't that a religious view too - that they can be fixed?

I suppose that'll be one of those miracles that happen if you 'believe' hard enough.

 

TBH, I hate most religious stuff which is why I'm going downstairs when I pop my mortals.

That was saying that gay people are damaged simply because they are prefer same sex relationships.

 

I do agree tho that he is entitled to his opinion.

I'm on my phone so can't quote but I agree with Cosi. His religion/faith whatever informs his opinions. But that mental monk from a few years ago had similar views and he came second (if I recall correctly).

As much as I disagree with Van on this his comments weren't half as bad as Sam's disgusting remarks in the BB house last year, never a warning from BB.

I might need to be reminded Vids. That's if you're alright about repeating the just of what Sam said. I don't want to offend your delicate and sensitive nature.

* jist

 

Are there any religious works that do accept homosexuality or are they all in agreement that it's a no-no?

 

If you believe in a religion then you must believe in its teachings 100%.  You can't pick and choose - or can you?    It's all far too complicated, contrived and bizarre for me to grasp fully!

 

Dave the Monk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBkgdKiSzx0

Surely that would depend on how strongly your religious beliefs are versus how strongly you feel about Sam's opinions on women..?

 

Or, you could be offended by both of course.

 

I'm just watching +1 and have seen EH's comments. They may come back to haunt him.

 

 

To try to be fair, although what he was saying was a load of clap trap - it's his belief and no more clap trap than claiming the country's been run be lizards inside human suits...     He wasn't 'using offensive language' though, I don't think?   Nor was he trying to offend  - if he's said he though Ollie was a *insert offensive gay jibe of choice* - that would be offensive, stating his religious beliefs in the way he did, wasn't offensive, (although the beliefs are, but that's another thing)  but I can see why he needed to be pulled up on it.

I'm no theologian but I don't think there's any reason to have faith and not accept people's sexuality and accept them in to the fold. I'll  ask my former parish Vicar. He's gay.

This is a tricky one here.

Is Evander not allowed his view because it might offend some?

He didn't say things to outrage - it was his considered opinion.

Equally a pro-gay stance may offend but would that be surpressed?

 

I have a chum who's a RC priest and he's gay 

I've no idea what he thinks about religion/gay stuff 'cos we don't chat about that; he's just a good bloke who we occasionally have a drink with.

 

Great posts Basher, Suzy and Saint.

 

I think essentially he was suggesting (if I heard him correctly) that if you had a broken leg you would cure it, the same principle goes for homosexuality in his opinion. If you are gay you scan be cured.

 

That I would say is what he has been pulled up for and rightly so. I would be pretty confident that if I asked my gay mates what they thought about being cured they would have a few choice words for me. 

 

I think Luiza (is that how you spell her name?) had the right idea in trying to close down the conversation pretty sharpish. Just a shame she failed.

 

The point is that it is offensive. If something had been said about race along the same lines then it would be a total cut and dried case.....and there are people who sincerely believe that some races are more loved and favoured by the Almighty than others.

I don't talk to my gay Reverend friend about his sexuality either Cosi. He's open and out but not militant about it, not that it matters if he was.

There are laws against inciting hatred based upon sexuality in this country and BB has to be careful not to fall foul of those. It is also in BB's own rules that people don't make remarks that could be seen as racist or homophobic and so housemates are expected to abide by these. To me it would have been fine if he had just said something like: "I follow the bible on that issue" and I reckon that BB would have been as well. He could probably have got away with more as well, but comparing gays to being handicapped and being able to be "fixed" was really crossing the line imo.

I know, EC, and I agree that it was right that he was pulled up for it.     I just mean he wasn't saying it to be offensive.    As Suzy says, people also believe that some races are superior and it's their right to think that.. it's just not their right to do anything about it.    

Why is it being assumed that his views on homosexuality are based on his religious belief? And what is his religion? 

I can't wait to see what's being said about this on DS. They're probably going feral over it. I'll save it for my post school run coffee.

He mentioned the Bible Soops.

A good post from DS, which sums up my own opinion pretty well:

 

Big Brother were perfectly right to challenge Evander's comments. If he's allowed an opinion, so are they. 

Now don't conflate his being given a warning with him being told that he's wrong and can't believe what he believes. That's not what happened. 

He expressed his view that homosexuality is a) a choice and b) akin to a disability that can c) be "fixed". Big Brother pulled him up and said that this was a little offensive (which it is). "Opinions" (even those based on religion) aren't immune from being challenged. 

He's still free to believe it, say it or turn it into a showtune, just not in Big Brother's house. Same as how if you came into my house and shouted out something bigoted I can tell you to stop or leave. 

That's not impinging on free speech, censoring people or "silencing" them. It's about respect, politeness and decorum.

Oh yes