I know  it wouldn't be for a long time yet and it was more a meeting of a few of them

Oh and I will leave a note saying if I don't return blame Cinds 

Yes he was! He was mentioned in Ulysses by James Joyce, so was quite a well known horse-trainer of the time.

Just sitting going through some census records and print outs.  And I noticed the curious occupation of my gggg grandparents lodger.

Haha! Probably should be 'potato grower/vendor/supplier' or something like that.

Really? Now thats a colourful ancestor Kimota. It must be great to come from such interesting stock  [unintended pun].

Have you inherited an interest in horses yourself?  ...I might be wanting a tip off you come The National 

Have you used the 'Find my past' website, Cinds?

I was able to find some information about my great grandmother on it (her father was English and she and her siblings were born there) that led me to some information on the 'Scotland's People' site and so now I know she had a brother, as well as the sister we already knew about.

After her father died her mother moved back to Scotland with the children.

I know, but I like to imagine that his actual job was being a potato. 

The thing is, it's not like the transcriber for the website was just being lazy, the actual had written census just says 'potato'.

I haven't used 'Find my past', but will have a look at it.  I like 'The Genealogist' as it is easier to print stuff from there.  

At the minute I'm filling in the blanks for the siblings and other children etc. I've found that my great great great grandmother lost 4 children and her husband all in the space of 18 months (1870 - 1872). After googling, apparently there was a small pox epidemic at that time.

How very sad, 4 children and your husband in such a short time. Never mind a short time, losing 4 children

ION, I have found that a branch of my family were Inn Keepers in many establishments in the North. Stretching from the Black Bull in Morpeth, down to the Turks Head in Barnard Castle. With a few more dotted around Newcastle, Sunderland, South Shields and Spennymoor.

Just to say, the Findmypast website is great for fleshing out military records in detail, so if you've got any 'lifer's'... that's the place to chase up their details.

You're doing well, Cinds   Sadly, it's when you start digging into the reasons for death that you find out all sorts of upsetting stories.

Cosi, just by googling, I've been lucky enough to find a newspaper advert regarding my Great Great Great Grandfather Joseph Cleghorn, selling off his assets in 1901, when he was retiring from the Turks Head in Barnard Castle.

And another relative, William Cleghorn who was a boxer and fought a gentleman called Reilly in 1846 in Blyth, the opponent sadly died the next day and William Cleghorn was sent to prison on manslaughter charges for 6 months.

Then there is another William Cleghorn, born 1777 in Alnwick, who by all accounts was quite famous for being short. He even has his own wiki page I obviously didn't get my height from that side of the family.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W...Newcastle_eccentric)

Link didn't work, Cinds, but I do like the idea of being famous for being short - I might have to tell my mum about that possibility.  Like you, I didn't inherit the short gene 

Talking of prison, it amazes me about the punishments handed down; one of mine (of many) got transported for stealing a chicken;1st offence I might add.  He was given 10 years for that!

One thing that IS a godsend is if they're in the licensed trade and/or are shop keepers.  My research lately has been in Suffolk and the records aren't too bad for detailing such things.  I did follow the trail of one of mine who upped sticks and went out to Utah.   Suffice to say, it opened a can of worms that I've been fervently trying to close ever since  

Ooooh Suffolk! I have loads from those parts.

i love more my Nana on Dads side was a right snob (trust me she would turn in her grave knowing I had my beautiful master Cinds). I actually remember her calling my eldest 2 nephews 'bastards' because they were born out of wedlock. Turns out snobby Nana had twin girls in 1937 out of wedlock, her father was a bigamist, and her great grandmother was married to a great relative of her husband. 

I have no chance, booze genes, fighting genes, snobbery genes, and all of that on top of my inbreeding ancestry.

I'll just frog march myself to bed now with my webbed fingers and toes.

Jezza Kyle would love this one. Actually I might suggest it to him for a Christmas Special.

Not really, but both my dad and sisters can ride and my dad takes an interest in the big races like The National.

Found this little nugget today.  The victim was the sister in law of my 4 x removed cousin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peasenhall_Murder

You've got fascinating ancestry Cinds - quite a few black sheep 

Definitely not humdrum  Naughty old Nana 

Rosie I bet everyone has if they delve back far enough.  I'm a bit obsessed at the minute trying to put these books together for my parents and I keep going off on a tangent in to uncles, aunts and cousins x removed families.

What a great project Cinds. I'm sure your parents will love it  skeletons and all 

Rosie, the biggest skeleton I have tried to uncover is that of my great grandfather (The father of the Naughty Nana).  He died in Oldham in 1961, and it was discovered he had another family there, but who apparently moved to to Chester Le Street after his death.  His 'my family' were all living in Houghton Le Spring at that time.  

I applied for his death certificate thinking it might shed some light on who the 'other wife' was, but it just said Mrs M Melvin.  

Wow what a story... you're like a P.I. finding this stuff out Cinds. 

Were there no kids with the other wife then? 

What about the birth certs, Cinds?  Any kids by your G'dad and Mrs Melvin will record her maiden name on the children's birth certs.  I realise that the kids might have been born around or before 1841 (when the records were pretty basic), but with luck the local registrar may have taken more personal details for his own records.

And yeah, it's so easy to go off on a tangent 

Particularly if its a bit racy  

It was 1961  when he died not 1861.  And I have no idea what his children from that family were called

  I do apologise!  That'll teach me (I was on Ancestry at the time chasing a few of my own rogues).  If I find anything remotely racey I'll be back here with the details for Rog 

 lol  Yes please Cosmo. May you find lots of juicy scandal interesting heritage.

No need to apologise silly mare.  

I know you mentioned Suffolk in your delving. The Suffolk names I have off the top of my head are Davy, Balls, Buck, Carter & Dawson.

Nope, yours have managed to avoid mine....so far  

I'm with Harsum, Bacon, Fairweather and Rackham's; there's a lot of 'em!

I was wondering if any of you wonderful people could translate this for me.  I know its a Baptism and the dates and people involved, but I just can't get the rest.

And just as an interesting little thing.  I found this newspaper advert about my great great great grandfather selling off his possessions when he was retiring from the Turks Head Hotel. He died a few months later.

Cinds - could it be an emergency baptism ?
urgentis mortis periculo = in danger of imminent death [ rough guess based on my rusty Latin and Spanish which is similar to Latin]
filius =son
Conjugum = married to
baptizatus fuit = was baptized

Then theres a reference to the father Johannes Wilson and Mother Maria WIlson

Maybe its because unbaptised babies don't go to heaven but to limbo and only prayers will get them into heaven under catholic teaching? So quick baptism is important if the baby looks like it might not survive.

Very intriguing  

Rosie, thank you, I wanted to make sure that I was attaching the record to the correct family member who was born and died on the same day.  They went on to have another child of the same name, so I wanted to be doubly sure.  Thanks 

Ta Cinds  Thats very interesting [and sad too].

Still trying to figure out the last bit, the "ser me"  and "apostol"... bit... think it could mean "send"? ie they sent someone to do the baptism ceremony? Or the priest sent his blessing for Thomas Stout Wilson to do it?

Ser me....I am

Basically he's signing it - 'I am Thomas Stout....' I don't think it's Wilson (the word after Stout appears to start with an 'M' and looks quite different to 'Wilson' higher up the page) and I think Thomas(Thomson?) Stout is a doctor (Apothecarius)'

Ahhhhhh makes sense  

Thank you, you have been really helpful.

Mr C and I were out for dinner tonight and talking about the whole ancestry thing, probably because I have my head buried in it most of the time. Almost finished Dads book YAY, then to start on Mams .  It's been so much bigger than I expected, but I've enjoyed it once I got my head around it.

Anyway I was talking about the funny things I have seen, more the way things were worded on documents etc, and I really wish I'd printed them out to put in the back of the books as kind of out takes?

My Favs by far was a death record talking about how the Gentleman had no issue with his wife etc etc etc. And ended with the sentence. He had a bastard.

My Next was a criminal record, not related, but above the person I was looking for on the criminal register.  Their crime 'Assault with intent to ravish'.  Now don't get me wrong, I find nothing funny about rape or attempted rape, but the use of the word ravish made me chuckle imagining a romantic rapist. 

probably because I have my head buried in it most of the time

That sounds like me 

Well done on approaching the finishing line for your Dad's family tree, Cinds.

And yes, why not add the print-offs as an extras type of thing.  Bloopers are always worth sharing 

Cosi I haven't finished his tree as such, but I decided to do the books for them as far as their great great great grandparents, as they are the ones I have most details for.  But oh my god it's been a journey.  I managed to knock through a brick wall today with some of dads GGG grandparents HOORAAH! But with others despite receiving a marriage certificate bounced right back off the wall, it's not easy tracking families in Wales who have the surnames Simon and Jones