appreciated!The only thing I would add if "I" was sending one is in reference to them closing the Forum. I would have added that in hindsight I was grateful as many BB fans have now found a new home with better Moderation and facilities, etc, etc, But, that would be my view if I was emailing them and I'd want to make darn sure they knew that, but like I said that's my personal view. I'd say yes send it 
hopefully you'll get an appropriate reply, if not I'm sure you'll see through a load of their waffle lol.quote:Originally posted by Dean0Mac:
Thanks OHG
And Ms Golightly - BRILLIANT post there!
quote:Originally posted by Dean0Mac:quote:Originally posted by globulemc:quote:Originally posted by Dean0Mac:quote:Originally posted by globulemc:
Don't want to upset you, but don't remember 'millions' (or even thousands) on the BB forums as was on the BB forums for the lat couple of years. I am, however, really pee'd off that there is no proper live feed or BB forum on the C4 website...........
I've told you a million times, do not exaggerate!!!
Who says it is necessarily only those on the "BB Forums" who're complaining? It's not
Point taken, but still.......
I've told you a million times, do not exaggerate!!!
That's now twice... And the point you're attempting to make is not coming across as I did not exaggerate.
I never once in that email suggested each of those millions of complaints were from one person each.
I just told them there'd been millions as opposed to 'thousands' of complaints as they seem to suggest (for example the launch/first night) that it was "only a few thousand compared to the 3.5+ million viewers" Which is essentially true
I can spin things, as much as CH4 can.
quote:Originally posted by Dean0Mac:
I have written to you as I assume that you are the most appropriate senior persons, if not, please pass this it on to that person. I would also appreciate a reply from them, rather than a junior staff member.
I write on behalf of many who would like honest answers : Why have Channel 4 removed the C4 forums and the "Live Feed"?(specifically those pertaining to BIG BROTHER)
The forums were a home to many LOYAL BIG BROTHER viewers as a 'safe haven' to air their views and debate. This made the show, yet it was taken away and replaced with a "Fan Zone" which looks like it was designed by a child. As a website designer, I imagine the fanzine (with its CONSTANT bias checking and removal of any negativity towards C4 or BIG BROTHER, )costs C4 significantly more than the forum.
Re: Live Feed, C4 tells BIG BROTHER's loyal viewers in it's generic email "The main reason behind this decision is that we've found the number of viewers choosing to use the red button facility has dropped significantly and more and more viewers chose to watch the clips provided on the official "BIG BROTHER" (and other) websites." How can C4 have the audacity to say that to loyal BIG BROTHER viewers, when it is clearly absolute rubbish!
When C4 removed the camera choices on the red button feed for BIG BROTHER and lost its freeview, FreeSat and Internet Live Feeds, it received complaints in their millions and, as I type ,Channel 4 are receiving complaints in their millions over the loss of 24/7 Live Feed. I could link you to three online petitions with over two hundred thousand signatures and many more petitions which have begun.
The primary reason viewing figures have dramatically dropped is due to C4's manipulation and control over what is viewed. Loyal viewers have boycotted C4's branch-off shows and the ONLY reason they go to the official site is because it is their only current option.
Further, we are told that Live Feed loss is a consequence of loss of money and associated job layoffs, is this true? I am inclined to believe otherwise, if C4 have lost a lot of money and therefore do not have the 'cover' to create the 24/7 Live Feed, why is so much being spent on "completely decking out" the BIG BROTHER's LITTLE BROTHER studio, (as George Lamb put it,) and on paying the likes of Pete Burns, (who clearly has NO interest in the show,) to appear on BIG BROTHER's BIG MOUTH? Why has C4 spent money on a website and a newly designed "Fanzine" where the posts are more closely momitored than the BIG BROTHER Housemates?
If this is due to OFCOM pressure, surely competent C4 could resolve this, similarly to the edited highlight shows and the time-delay on "Live Feed."
If Channel 4 are attempting to kill off the show, then it has succeeded by completely alienating the viewers of C4's biggest cash cow and inflaming the distrust BIG BROTHER viewers have in Channel 4 in general. Channel 4's revenue from votes on BIG BROTHER is likely to be almost non-existent.
I apologise if this appears personal, unless of course you are responsible. I am one of many loyal BIG BROTHER viewers who are incensed at the way we have been treated and NOT listened to.
Sincere thanks in anticipation of your reply,
Dean0Mac [real name ommited](EXTREMELY LOYAL BIG BROTHER viewer).
quote:Originally posted by CYBERDAZZLE:
Great letter~
hope you get a good reply
They should get shut of Davina
and the other spin off shows~full of overpaid ppl and their waffling non sense
Just to say though without meaning to be offencive all you've really done is cut two of my paragraphs out and shortened a couple of the others lol, it's still almost as long as mine was to begin with 
Also though you cut out some things which, tbh were vital to be seen (whether realistically they'd read it or not) - Otherwise though, as I said above! Put 'em back in if your passionate about them-was just making suggestions to make it more punchy and less repetitive, but sometimes repitition is goodquote:Originally posted by Dean0Mac:
Supercalifragilistic that is well, "super"
BUT with that being said mine was written predominantly out of anger and I guess I was attempting to be rude which let's face it although my email probably wont get anywhere anyway, a rude one most definitely wouldn't if by some miracle they decided to read them. - You have changed it for the better and I hold my hands up and apologise firstly for saying you couldn't do it AND commend your revision of the piece.I thank you- takes a bow lol, and hope I haven't edited out the passion
Had I been more thoughtful about the email in the sense of how it would be perceived rather than received I would have known better and SHOULD have known better, being a Film & Television Studies with English graduate (as of July) which involves Novel/Screenwriting lol
From now on you shall be my official proof-reader when I write my novels
ETA: However I was never once attempting to be polite or official/formal which you have done w/ the revision I just thought I'd point that out, which I should have done to begin with
quote:Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:Put 'em back in if your passionate about them-was just making suggestions to make it more punchy and less repetitive, but sometimes repitition is good
BYW Good luck- you obviously feel v strongly about this
quote:Please be assured that your complaint regarding this has been logged and distributed throughout Channel 4 for the attention of the programme makers.
quote:Originally posted by Dean0Mac:quote:Please be assured that your complaint regarding this has been logged and distributed throughout Channel 4 for the attention of the programme makers.
More like "Please be assured that your complaint regarding this has NOT been logged and ignored throughout Channel 4 who will act like it has never occured and spin it for our own gain."
quote:Originally posted by Dean0Mac:
Super, I was being passionate about my writing not the situation lol. As someone who's obviously extremely intelligent when it comes to writing I assume you do a lot involving it, or did? And therefore you'll know when a writer creates something be it a strong emotional letter or a novel whether or not it needs correcting (as I DID admit mine did) they'll still want to hold onto some things lol
I wasn't digging at your revision whatsoever, if you re-read what I said I totally commended and applauded you on it; it was extremely well done and the letter did need that. So thank you
...Passion is my middle name, so know where you're coming from .. and would never want to get rid of that in writing or the spoken word.... But, I am a relative 'oldie', have to write loads of stuff where it's important to 'get to the point,' read loads of rambling complaint letters where I just 
and used to do a fair bit of work supervising/marking for MA students. Wish I could do the same word counts in language as writing lol- boy do I go on! Good look with your degree btw, have you finished your finals yet?quote:Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:quote:Originally posted by Dean0Mac:
Super, I was being passionate about my writing not the situation lol. As someone who's obviously extremely intelligent when it comes to writing I assume you do a lot involving it, or did? And therefore you'll know when a writer creates something be it a strong emotional letter or a novel whether or not it needs correcting (as I DID admit mine did) they'll still want to hold onto some things lol
I wasn't digging at your revision whatsoever, if you re-read what I said I totally commended and applauded you on it; it was extremely well done and the letter did need that. So thank you
Deano- didn't think you were digging at me at all so all's good
quote:Originally posted by Dean0Mac:quote:Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:quote:Originally posted by Dean0Mac:
Super, I was being passionate about my writing not the situation lol. As someone who's obviously extremely intelligent when it comes to writing I assume you do a lot involving it, or did? And therefore you'll know when a writer creates something be it a strong emotional letter or a novel whether or not it needs correcting (as I DID admit mine did) they'll still want to hold onto some things lol
I wasn't digging at your revision whatsoever, if you re-read what I said I totally commended and applauded you on it; it was extremely well done and the letter did need that. So thank you
Deano- didn't think you were digging at me at all so all's good
lol as much as a hardass as I sound when it comes to this, I'm a softie and all comments/criticism/rudeness (not from you obv) and whatever else I take on board and let it sink in lol. It's all gravy
And yeah I've finished it completely, just waiting to find out whether or not I've graduated lol thx!
quote:Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:quote:Originally posted by Dean0Mac:quote:Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:quote:Originally posted by Dean0Mac:
Super, I was being passionate about my writing not the situation lol. As someone who's obviously extremely intelligent when it comes to writing I assume you do a lot involving it, or did? And therefore you'll know when a writer creates something be it a strong emotional letter or a novel whether or not it needs correcting (as I DID admit mine did) they'll still want to hold onto some things lol
I wasn't digging at your revision whatsoever, if you re-read what I said I totally commended and applauded you on it; it was extremely well done and the letter did need that. So thank you
Deano- didn't think you were digging at me at all so all's good
lol as much as a hardass as I sound when it comes to this, I'm a softie and all comments/criticism/rudeness (not from you obv) and whatever else I take on board and let it sink in lol. It's all gravy
And yeah I've finished it completely, just waiting to find out whether or not I've graduated lol thx!
I'm one of the worlds worst at accepting criticism-constructive or otherwise, tend to come out with my boxing gloves! But, hey, sometimes them there gloves are handy!
quote:Originally posted by carotino:
Don't mess wi' me. Kirkland Lang I am.
quote:Originally posted by JacksonB:quote:Originally posted by Dean0Mac:quote:Originally posted by JacksonB:
it's too long mate, no one is going to wade through it. can you edit it a bit?
No offence mate... But, it's evidently been sifted through if not completely read by a few people.
ok fair nuff
i think its too long also, and repeats itself, sorry (i want live feed back too) but, this letter is not going to do it.quote:Originally posted by Dean0Mac:
Okay this is an extremely long read but if you are as incensed as I am about this entire LF situation please take the time to read this and let me know if you agree that I should send it, it is actually to the Commissioning Editor of CH4's "reality" sector and HER head. - If you're one of those who aren't bothered by the LF cut and/or don't think people should be moaning I only ask that you don't leave rude/snarky comments in here, thanks
quote:Originally posted by storm:quote:Originally posted by Dean0Mac:
Okay this is an extremely long read but if you are as incensed as I am about this entire LF situation please take the time to read this and let me know if you agree that I should send it, it is actually to the Commissioning Editor of CH4's "reality" sector and HER head. - If you're one of those who aren't bothered by the LF cut and/or don't think people should be moaning I only ask that you don't leave rude/snarky comments in here, thanks
OMG get a life ... Seriously who CARES if there is live feed or not? Only people with no life and no job and plenty of time on their hands would want live feed so desperately. Most people have better things to do than watch Big Brother night and day. Isn't an hour a day ENOUGH?!
You are going on about this like your main mission in life is to get Big Brother Live feed up and running again. Get a life. Get a Job. Get a life-partner. Anything, but for goodness sake, stop ranting on about Big Brother live feed coming back, like it's the most important thing in your life! It's not going to happen. Get over it and deal with it, for goodness sake!
quote:Originally posted by storm:
OMG get a life ... Seriously who CARES if there is live feed or not? Only people with no life and no job and plenty of time on their hands would want live feed so desperately. Most people have better things to do than watch Big Brother night and day. Isn't an hour a day ENOUGH?!
You are going on about this like your main mission in life is to get Big Brother Live feed up and running again. Get a life. Get a Job. Get a life-partner. Anything, but for goodness sake, stop ranting on about Big Brother live feed coming back, like it's the most important thing in your life! It's not going to happen. Get over it and deal with it, for goodness sake!
quote:Originally posted by storm:quote:Originally posted by Dean0Mac:
Okay this is an extremely long read but if you are as incensed as I am about this entire LF situation please take the time to read this and let me know if you agree that I should send it, it is actually to the Commissioning Editor of CH4's "reality" sector and HER head. - If you're one of those who aren't bothered by the LF cut and/or don't think people should be moaning I only ask that you don't leave rude/snarky comments in here, thanks
OMG get a life ... Seriously who CARES if there is live feed or not? Only people with no life and no job and plenty of time on their hands would want live feed so desperately. Most people have better things to do than watch Big Brother night and day. Isn't an hour a day ENOUGH?!
You are going on about this like your main mission in life is to get Big Brother Live feed up and running again. Get a life. Get a Job. Get a life-partner. Anything, but for goodness sake, stop ranting on about Big Brother live feed coming back, like it's the most important thing in your life! It's not going to happen. Get over it and deal with it, for goodness sake!
quote:Originally posted by Dean0Mac:
I have just graduated University with honours, thanks.
I have a job. I'm a professional actor and dancer, thanks.
I am engaged, thanks.
I have probably appeared in HEAT magazine more times than any BB HM ever has or will, thanks.
quote:Originally posted by storm:quote:Originally posted by Dean0Mac:
I have just graduated University with honours, thanks.
I have a job. I'm a professional actor and dancer, thanks.
I am engaged, thanks.
I have probably appeared in HEAT magazine more times than any BB HM ever has or will, thanks.
Oh ROFL ROFL ROFL! Well done! that is the most hilarious pile of bullshit that I have seen anyone post on here! You don't do bullshit by halves do you! Well done!!!
"I am a University graduate, I am a professional actor, I have a girlfriend, I am always in Heat magazine." LOL:!!! FFS!!!! Nice one mate! I suppose you have a nine inch dick and you're a millionaire too! And you obviously drive a porshce!.
Congratulations on posting the most hilarious pile of bollocks on this site since it started!
quote:Originally posted by storm:quote:Originally posted by Dean0Mac:
I have just graduated University with honours, thanks.
I have a job. I'm a professional actor and dancer, thanks.
I am engaged, thanks.
I have probably appeared in HEAT magazine more times than any BB HM ever has or will, thanks.
Oh ROFL ROFL ROFL! Well done! that is the most hilarious pile of bullshit that I have seen anyone post on here! You don't do bullshit by halves do you! Well done!!!
I am a University graduate, I am a professional actor, I have a girlfriend, I am always in Heat magazine. LOL:!!! Nice one! I suppose you have a nine inch dick and you're a millionaire too! And you iobviously drive a porshce!.
Congratulations on posting the most hilarious post on this site since it started!
quote:Originally posted by storm:quote:Originally posted by Dean0Mac:
Okay this is an extremely long read but if you are as incensed as I am about this entire LF situation please take the time to read this and let me know if you agree that I should send it, it is actually to the Commissioning Editor of CH4's "reality" sector and HER head. - If you're one of those who aren't bothered by the LF cut and/or don't think people should be moaning I only ask that you don't leave rude/snarky comments in here, thanks
OMG get a life ... Seriously who CARES if there is live feed or not? Only people with no life and no job and plenty of time on their hands would want live feed so desperately. Most people have better things to do than watch Big Brother night and day. Isn't an hour a day ENOUGH?!
You are going on about this like your main mission in life is to get Big Brother Live feed up and running again. Get a life. Get a Job. Get a life-partner. Anything, but for goodness sake, stop ranting on about Big Brother live feed coming back, like it's the most important thing in your life! It's not going to happen. Get over it and deal with it, for goodness sake!
quote:Originally posted by Dean0Mac:
I was obviously being sarcastic I just couldn't be bothered with responding to your dribble.
But actually... Besides the Heat magazine bit it's all true.
Nope still can't drive yet but I've been acting professionally for over thirteen years now, I have a fiancÃĻ yes and I just graduated from Brunel University majoring in a Film & Television Studies B.A with honours, collect my degree in July.
If everything you said was seriously true, and you have such a busy and amazing life and you are a uni student with a life partner and so on and so on, you wouldn't be SO desperate for Big Brother Live feed to come back. You would have better things to do than watch BB live feed and be so desperate for it to come back. I mean, how sad do you have to be to actually write such lengthy passionate emails about BB live feed., You're just sad. Yes, I think I am very close .. You spelt it 'fiance:' that is the MALE version., the FEMALE version is 'fiancee.' 
quote:Originally posted by old hippy guy:quote:Originally posted by storm:quote:Originally posted by Dean0Mac:
Okay this is an extremely long read but if you are as incensed as I am about this entire LF situation please take the time to read this and let me know if you agree that I should send it, it is actually to the Commissioning Editor of CH4's "reality" sector and HER head. - If you're one of those who aren't bothered by the LF cut and/or don't think people should be moaning I only ask that you don't leave rude/snarky comments in here, thanks
OMG get a life ... Seriously who CARES if there is live feed or not? Only people with no life and no job and plenty of time on their hands would want live feed so desperately. Most people have better things to do than watch Big Brother night and day. Isn't an hour a day ENOUGH?!
You are going on about this like your main mission in life is to get Big Brother Live feed up and running again. Get a life. Get a Job. Get a life-partner. Anything, but for goodness sake, stop ranting on about Big Brother live feed coming back, like it's the most important thing in your life! It's not going to happen. Get over it and deal with it, for goodness sake!
haha talk about missing the point,
I doubt there is ANYONE, even the laziest lazy git in lazy town, who actualy watches live feed 24/7 MOST people need to sleep take a p go to the shops,work,sign on, etc etc
BUT when there IS 24/7 live feed there is always SOMEONE somewhere watching,
and this means the newspapers can write about what happens, it means that if someone farts out of tune or belches, WE know about it, its in the papers OR on these forums,
and in this way FANS of the show can build up a TRUE picture of the people they are spending their money voting for,
WITHOUT the "back up" of 24/7 live feed ya might as well throw a dice,
and thats without mentioning the fact that without 24/7 live feed the whole thing is open to manipulation by channel four...the very people who stand to MAKE or LOOSE lots n lots of money on the votes,
if they cant be watched 24/7 HOW DO WE KNOW that its not a huge con trick?
NO VOTE WITHOUT 24/7 LIVE STREAM,
