Mr. Bellamy and Ms. Jain,

Hello there, I have written to both of you as I am not sure during this series of Big Brother which one of you would be the most likely to be in charge of the show. If either of you are of course not the right person, I would appreciate if you would kindly pass me on to that person but if one of you is I would ask if you would please respond to me and not (as many people have done lately) fob me off to some other poor soul, to deal with.

I am writing to make a statement and ask a question which myself and millions (not the 'only a few thousand' as has been suggested) of other people would like a real answer to and that is why have Channel 4 removed both the channel 4 forums (specifically those pertaining to BIG BROTHER) and the "Live Feed" from this years series of the show?

First for the forums. That was a home to many, many LOYAL BIG BROTHER viewers who used the place as a 'safe haven' to be able to have their say, air their views and debate with fellow members (lovingly called Forum mates) about the Housemates on each years BIG BROTHER - It along with the Live Feed has been what has made Channel 4's show each and every series and yet, it was taken away from us without hardly any warning whatsoever and replaced with a "Fan Zone" which let's be honest, looks like it was designed by a five year old and as a website designer myself I happen to know that the fanzine (especially with its CONSTANT bias checking and removal of anything remotely negative towards Channel 4's running of BIG BROTHER or BIG BROTHER itself) is costing Channel 4 a lot more to run, than a forum has done in the past nine years of the show.

As for the Live Feed. Channel 4 seems to be in the habit of telling BIG BROTHER's loyal viewers a couple of different stories where this is concerned. The first being from your generic email response to this issue, and I am paraphrasing "The main reason behind this decision is that we've found the number of viewers choosing to use the red button facility has dropped significantly and more and more viewers chose to watch the clips provided on the official "BIG BROTHER" (and other) websites."

I for one am absolutely clueless as to how Channel 4 could even have the audacity to put that into an email responding to someone who is obviously a loyal BIG BROTHER viewer, asking about the live feed when it is clearly absolute rubbish! When Channel 4 removed the camera choices on the red button feed for BIG BROTHER, it received complaints in their millions (not thousands), when BIG BROTHER lost its freeview, FreeSat and Internet Live Feeds, Channel 4 received complaints in their millions (not thousands) and even now, as I type this Channel 4 are receiving complaints in their millions (not thousands) over the loss of 24/7 Live Feed this year. I could if you wish, link you to at least three online petitions which hold at the moment over two hundred thousand signatures each and there are many more physical and online petitions out there which have only just begun to be signed.

The only reason that people are not watching BIG BROTHER as much year after year is simply because they are finding Channel 4's manipulation and control over what can and cannot be watched absolutely atrocious and I fail to believe that Channel 4 have not spotted this evidence [however slight] of boycotting Channel 4's branch-off shows to BIG BROTHER and the ONLY reason they go to the official site and view the clips isn't because they want to! It is because it is the only choice the loyal BIG BROTHER viewers, are getting.

The second story which BIG BROTHER's loyal viewers are being told in regards to the loss of Live Feed is one which explains that a loss of money and increase in layoffs of jobs is to blame for the cut on the BIG BROTHER 24/7 Live Feed, is this truly so? Again I am inclined to believe that this tale is just that, another tale.

If Channel 4 have lost a lot of money this year, if Channel 4 have had to lay off employees and therefore do not have the 'cover' so to speak to create the 24/7 Live Feed for its BIG BROTHER viewers, then what the heck are Channel 4 doing spending SO MUCH money on "completely decking out" the BIG BROTHER's LITTLE BROTHER studio as Mr. George Lamb so eloquently put it on last nights show? What the heck is Channel 4 doing spending money on paying so-called Celebrities such as Pete Burns to appear on BIG BROTHER's BIG MOUTH when it is entirely evident that Mr. Burns had absolutely NO interest in the show, whatsoever? His comments such as “Oh I don’t know much about [said Housemate] I must have been in the loo at the time” just go to show this! Also as previously mentioned, why the heck has Channel 4 spent more money on a poor website design with a newly designed "Fanzine" where the posters are monitored and scrutinized more closely than the BIG BROTHER Housemates and anything remotely 'negative' towards the show or Channel 4 and the Live Feed are removed?

If this is a case of OFCOM pressure then I fail to see how Channel 4 cannot get themselves around this considering Channel 4 heavily edits its highlight shows anyway and the "Live Feed" is anywhere from between twelve to fifteen minutes behind anyway. I suggest if this is the case, Channel 4 hire a better Production staff to do a better job.

All in all, if Channel 4 is attempting to kill off the show, then it is succeeding and I congratulate Channel 4 on this because I believe, as do millions (not thousands) of others that after this ridiculous final stunt to not only completely alienate the viewers of Channel 4's biggest cash cow but also to enflame the distrust BIG BROTHER viewers have had in Channel 4 over BIG BROTHER then Channel 4 will have nothing left to stand on, in the next twelve months.

Believe me, Channel 4's revenue from votes on BIG BROTHER this year will be almost non-existent.

I would like to take this point to apologise if it seems I am directing this solely at yourselves as I am not, unless of course all this is your decision. I am merely one of millions (not thousands) of loyal BIG BROTHER viewers, who is incensed at the way we have been treated and certainly NOT listened to, over the past few years.

Thank you sincerely for being able to respond to this email and/or answering this question.

Dean0Mac [real name ommited](EXTREMELY LOYAL BIG BROTHER viewer).

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Originally posted by Dean0Mac:
Okay this is an extremely long read but if you are as incensed as I am about this entire LF situation please take the time to read this and let me know if you agree that I should send it. - If you're one of those who aren't bothered by the LF cut and/or don't think people should be moaning I only ask that you don't leave rude/snarky comments in here, thanks

That's me out then

Bet you will get a rubbish reply though

Send send

I have no real opinion on this issue. So far, I haven't even been watching th show. But I have been reading your many posts over the last few days.

I just want to say that I really REALLY hope that all the effort you've put into this letter is at least rewarded with the courtesy of a personal reply, rather than a bog-standard "blanket cover" letter they usually rattle off.

Well, given that you've written it, suppose that you may as well send it- doubt it'll do much good 'though

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I only ask that you don't leave rude/snarky comments in here,

*backs out of thread*

Send it, you've got nothing to lose

Cant do any harm eh, worth a try......

it's too long mate, no one is going to wade through it. can you edit it a bit?

Thats a diehard fan right there... I couldnt read all of it but you put all your effort into writing that so just send it....

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Originally posted by JacksonB:
it's too long mate, no one is going to wade through it. can you edit it a bit?

No offence mate... But, it's evidently been sifted through if not completely read by a few people.

you forgot to mentio Davinas fees and the extra 100k she is receiving for BBBM (a totally pointless show) but otherwise well written

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Originally posted by Dean0Mac:

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Originally posted by JacksonB:
it's too long mate, no one is going to wade through it. can you edit it a bit?

No offence mate... But, it's evidently been sifted through if not completely read by a few people.

ok fair nuff

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Originally posted by JacksonB:

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Originally posted by Dean0Mac:

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Originally posted by JacksonB:
it's too long mate, no one is going to wade through it. can you edit it a bit?

No offence mate... But, it's evidently been sifted through if not completely read by a few people.

ok fair nuff

LoL besides I DID warn both in title and OP it was an extremely long read

But thanks for all the responses and I appreciate those who didn't agree respecting what I asked in the OP although you still hit the reply button

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Originally posted by Dean0Mac:

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Originally posted by JacksonB:

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Originally posted by Dean0Mac:

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Originally posted by JacksonB:
it's too long mate, no one is going to wade through it. can you edit it a bit?

No offence mate... But, it's evidently been sifted through if not completely read by a few people.

ok fair nuff

LoL besides I DID warn both in title and OP it was an extremely long read

But thanks for all the responses and I appreciate those who didn't agree respecting what I asked in the OP although you still hit the reply button

it's not the people on the forum reading it, that is the problem, the people who read the thread will want to read it, the people you are sending it too, read piles of stuff everyday and won't want to be wading through it, that's all.

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Originally posted by JacksonB:
it's too long mate, no one is going to wade through it. can you edit it a bit?

Could say the same in half as many words- but it's not an essay with a word count stipulation..and don't imagine that they'll take any notice anyway

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:

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Originally posted by JacksonB:
it's too long mate, no one is going to wade through it. can you edit it a bit?

Could say the same in half as many words- but it's not an essay with a word count stipulation..and don't imagine that they'll take any notice anyway

seems dean misunderstood my post anyways, so i'll bugger off..

Good luck with that

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:
Could say the same in half as many words- but it's not an essay with a word count stipulation..and don't imagine that they'll take any notice anyway

No sorry, you couldn't. When you hit these people you need to use everything against them.

I considered sending the same old 'moaning and bitching' email that almost everyone else has. - But decided on going that bit further... Taking every reason (read: excuse) they've given us for the cut in LF and turning it on its head against them.

If you seriously believe you could have put every single point I've nailed them with in half as many words please feel free to edit mine for me and I'll gladly send that, instead.

I've emailed the two people nobody has been emailing and those are the people that should be receiving this stuff, not 'complaints@channel4.co.uk' or whoever.

I have just read every word, its long but true, I for one miss LF, and shall not be voting by just watching HL, I usually vote a lot, HL not true to what HM's really like.

Send it, dont think it do much good, but you never know

Send it again if you don't get a response as well.

trying not to be pedantic here deano, but you asked in the op if we thought you send it, i suggested you shorten it if you want those receiving to read it, your reply suggests to me you don't want that sort of advice at all, if you want to make a thread saying' look at the great email i am sending to ch4' then fair nuff, but thats not what you did.

Jackson has a point.

I've not read it. Not because I'm against your argument but because it is too long. And I'm a punter. Imagine if you will the recipient.. or more likely the recipient's secretary or pa.. getting that in their inbox. Would they afford it a read through? I imagine they'd skim it if you're lucky.

Pithy.. that's what you need.

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Originally posted by JacksonB:
trying not to be pedantic here deano, but you asked in the op if we thought you send it, i suggested you shorten it if you want those receiving to read it, your reply suggests to me you don't want that sort of advice at all, if you want to make a thread saying' look at the great email i am sending to ch4' then fair nuff, but thats not what you did.

Just read your other post and yes, I mistook what you had said; my fault (although you could have elaborated you meant those I'm sending it to and not people here lol)

I do see your point but I wanted to make a major point, you can't write a short say 3 paragraph email which covers all those bases and chucks all their excuses back in their faces - I might as well just copy and paste somebody elses email to CH4 and resend that.

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Originally posted by tupps:
Jackson has a point.

I've not read it. Not because I'm against your argument but because it is too long. And I'm a punter. Imagine if you will the recipient.. or more likely the recipient's secretary or pa.. getting that in their inbox. Would they afford it a read through? I imagine they'd skim it if you're lucky.

Pithy.. that's what you need.

oh yes we need more pithy.deed we do.

i must be tired i read thats as jeremy kyle bedtime for me

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Originally posted by Dean0Mac:

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Originally posted by JacksonB:
trying not to be pedantic here deano, but you asked in the op if we thought you send it, i suggested you shorten it if you want those receiving to read it, your reply suggests to me you don't want that sort of advice at all, if you want to make a thread saying' look at the great email i am sending to ch4' then fair nuff, but thats not what you did.

Just read your other post and yes, I mistook what you had said; my fault (although you could have elaborated you meant those I'm sending it to and not people here lol)

why would i make a comment about the people here? the thread was about sending it to ch4.ahh the wonders of forumland..

Don't want to upset you, but don't remember 'millions' (or even thousands) on the BB forums as was on the BB forums for the lat couple of years. I am, however, really pee'd off that there is no proper live feed or BB forum on the C4 website...........

I've told you a million times, do not exaggerate!!!

Well it's a passionate email and must have taken ages to write.

I'm not quite sure why you're asking whether you should send it or not, but yes send it, personally i don't think it will change anything but nothing to lose is there?

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Originally posted by Dean0Mac:

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Originally posted by Supercalifragilistic:
Could say the same in half as many words- but it's not an essay with a word count stipulation..and don't imagine that they'll take any notice anyway

No sorry, you couldn't. When you hit these people you need to use everything against them.

I considered sending the same old 'moaning and bitching' email that almost everyone else has. - But decided on going that bit further... Taking every reason (read: excuse) they've given us for the cut in LF and turning it on its head against them.

If you seriously believe you could have put every single point I've nailed them with in half as many words please feel free to edit mine for me and I'll gladly send that, instead.

I've emailed the two people nobody has been emailing and those are the people that should be receiving this stuff, not 'complaints@channel4.co.uk' or whoever.

I'm usually pretty good at editing,(e.g. family members at Uni send me their essays to get down their word count,)so I could have a go tomorrow when I'm less tired, but you seem v happy with it so why don't you just send it as it is?

I read the first line.

I have no opinion cos I don't care

Hia Dean0,

I've read your email and I agree with all of your points. I definitely think you should send it and will be interested to see what, if any, replies you receive.

I now copy a comment I made to the TV show section when it was asked for on C4 forums:

Here


At 8:16 pm on February 12, 2009 Ms Golightly wrote:

Look, it’s not rocket science. The whole point of ‘Big Brother’ is that the inmates are being watched round the clock. We know that even with live feed it is edited and manipulated, but at least we have the opportunity to pick up on ordinary conversation and nuances of personality which are all called into play when we are making our decisions of who we like and dislike. Without live feed, no-one cares. Simple as.

The true BB fan wants to see a warts and all programme and we want to see rules being adhered to. Nobody I have ever spoken to about BB is the slightest bit interested in any romance and certainly not in the prospect of any sexual activity, but all like to see rule breaking being punished.

The way in which recent contestants, both ordinary and celebs, have been pandered to, is definitely what is contributing to the loss of interest in the show.

I won’t use the expression back to basics, because it can never be the original experiment that it was, but it can still be riveting TV, if only the powers that be would listen to the fans."

They paid no attention whatsoever to any of the opinions - there is no WILL to creating or producing a BB that the fans want. I am truly disheartened

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Originally posted by JacksonB:
trying not to be pedantic here deano, but you asked in the op if we thought you send it, i suggested you shorten it if you want those receiving to read it, your reply suggests to me you don't want that sort of advice at all, if you want to make a thread saying' look at the great email i am sending to ch4' then fair nuff, but thats not what you did.

Hear, Hear!

You can copy mine Deano. It read:

"You bastards are dead."

A visit from the police vouched that they read it

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Originally posted by globulemc:
Don't want to upset you, but don't remember 'millions' (or even thousands) on the BB forums as was on the BB forums for the lat couple of years. I am, however, really pee'd off that there is no proper live feed or BB forum on the C4 website...........

I've told you a million times, do not exaggerate!!!

Who says it is necessarily only those on the "BB Forums" who're complaining? It's not

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Originally posted by Dean0Mac:

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Originally posted by globulemc:
Don't want to upset you, but don't remember 'millions' (or even thousands) on the BB forums as was on the BB forums for the lat couple of years. I am, however, really pee'd off that there is no proper live feed or BB forum on the C4 website...........

I've told you a million times, do not exaggerate!!!

Who says it is necessarily only those on the "BB Forums" who're complaining? It's not

Point taken, but still.......
I've told you a million times, do not exaggerate!!!

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Originally posted by carotino:
You can copy mine Deano. It read:

"You bastards are dead."

A visit from the police vouched that they read it

Oh wow, that made me spill my tea haha

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Originally posted by globulemc:

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Originally posted by Dean0Mac:

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Originally posted by globulemc:
Don't want to upset you, but don't remember 'millions' (or even thousands) on the BB forums as was on the BB forums for the lat couple of years. I am, however, really pee'd off that there is no proper live feed or BB forum on the C4 website...........

I've told you a million times, do not exaggerate!!!

Who says it is necessarily only those on the "BB Forums" who're complaining? It's not

Point taken, but still.......
I've told you a million times, do not exaggerate!!!

That's now twice... And the point you're attempting to make is not coming across as I did not exaggerate.

I never once in that email suggested each of those millions of complaints were from one person each.

I just told them there'd been millions as opposed to 'thousands' of complaints as they seem to suggest (for example the launch/first night) that it was "only a few thousand compared to the 3.5+ million viewers" Which is essentially true

I can spin things, as much as CH4 can.