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Originally Posted by Cagney:
Originally Posted by Gypsie~:

Im actually getting quite angry at some people on facebook. Why do they feel the need to belittle her

OMG don't.....I'm having a heated discussion just now with some plebs who think she's on a par with Bin Laden (as in they both don't deserve air time).

 

Why not just walk away and leave them to it? Is it really worth the effort trying to reason with ignorant people?

Soozy Woo
Originally Posted by Soozy Woo:
Originally Posted by Cagney:
Originally Posted by Gypsie~:

Im actually getting quite angry at some people on facebook. Why do they feel the need to belittle her

OMG don't.....I'm having a heated discussion just now with some plebs who think she's on a par with Bin Laden (as in they both don't deserve air time).

 

Why not just walk away and leave them to it? Is it really worth the effort trying to reason with ignorant people?

I would walk away but I get too much enjoyment out of watching these people hang themselves by posting ignorant replies 

Cagney
Originally Posted by Cagney:

Thanks for the reply skylark  I can see how that would drive someone to try to find a way to block out the pain. It's great she's on the right track now too....with your help 

Thanks x Sorry i went on a bit! I feel very passionate as you can imagine. 
Thanks everyone too for good wishes, i have answered PM,s   

R.I. P Amy x 

FM
Originally Posted by Mighty Quinn:

wish she'd yes to rehab. mourning the talent and may she r.i.p.

She didn't stay in long enough. Heard Valerie when i first woke up, and my heart sank.

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by Skylark24:
Originally Posted by Cagney:

Thanks for the reply skylark  I can see how that would drive someone to try to find a way to block out the pain. It's great she's on the right track now too....with your help 

Thanks x Sorry i went on a bit! I feel very passionate as you can imagine. 
Thanks everyone too for good wishes, i have answered PM,s   

R.I. P Amy x 

 Skylark, sounds like your a great mum. xx

Ev (Peachy)

RIP Amy. Her demons got the better of her.......when I saw pictures of her earlier this year after coming out of rehab, she looked healthy and it seemed hopeful that she might beat the illness of addiction.

But after the upsetting footage of the Belgrade performance in June, it was clear that she was on another downward spiral.

 

Such a tragic loss, way too young. She was a massive talent, you could feel her music, not just hear it.

 

I know just how helpless you can feel when someone you love is in the grip of addiction. Hugs to all those who have experienced it.

 

Katerina

Loved the Russell Brand tribute, unlike Dan Wootton (the knobhead) he hasn't tried to claim the prize for the world's best Amy Winehouse mourner

 

This whole 'you must choose between Norway and Winehouse for your condolences' crap that's flooding the net today is a tad ridiculous. Have just been 'debating' with some other people on my course about it, won't bother trying to argue with the idiots on the AW groups who can't even string a sentence together. I take it there hasn't been an established cause of death yet for AW?

Karma_
Originally Posted by Karma_:

Loved the Russell Brand tribute, unlike Dan Wootton (the knobhead) he hasn't tried to claim the prize for the world's best Amy Winehouse mourner

 

This whole 'you must choose between Norway and Winehouse for your condolences' crap that's flooding the net today is a tad ridiculous. Have just been 'debating' with some other people on my course about it, won't bother trying to argue with the idiots on the AW groups who can't even string a sentence together. I take it there hasn't been an established cause of death yet for AW?


yeah,

read the dan wootton thing-proper twat

pirate1111
Originally Posted by pirate1111:

dunno if its been mentioned on here -to idle to read the thread-but apparently amy wasnt alone, but alone when she was found-if thats been said-sorry

Sky news reported that her security found her and called the paramedics they stated that nothing could be done for her when they arrived.

FM

Amy Winehouse's mother Janis has said that she predicted her daughter's death when they met just 24 hours earlier.

The pair spent the day together on Friday, but Janis suspected that it was "only a matter of time" before Amy died due to her behaviour.

The Mail on Sunday quotes her as saying: "She seemed out of it. But her passing so suddenly still hasn't hit me."

Janis went on to describe her final exchange with her daughter as they parted on Friday. When they kissed goodbye on the doorstep, Amy said: "I love you, Mum."

"They are the words I will always treasure and always remember Amy by," Janis added.

In an interview in 2008, Janis admitted that she was aware of Amy's problems, saying: "I realise my daughter could be dead within the year. We're watching her kill herself, slowly.

"I've already come to terms with her dead. I've steeled myself to ask her what ground she wants to be buried in, which cemetery. Because the drugs will get her if she stays on this road."

Meanwhile, the owner of Amy's favourite pub The Hawley Arms in Camden paid tribute to the late singer, calling her "a special person with a good soul".

The latest tabloid reports suggest that Amy had bought a cocktail of drugs on Friday night and was devastated by her break-up with on-off boyfriend Reg Traviss.

FM

Blake Fielder-Civil has said that the death of his ex-wife Amy Winehouse has left him "inconsolable".

Fielder-Civil, who married Winehouse in 2007, was told of her death in prison where he is currently serving a 32-month sentence for burglary and a firearms offence.

Fielder-Civil told The Sun: "I'm beyond inconsolable... my tears won't dry.

"I will never ever again feel the love I felt for her. Everybody who knew me and knew Amy knew the depth of our love. I can't believe she's dead."

The paper also reports that Fielder-Civil collapsed when he was given the news and that prison staff have been asked to keep a close eye on him.

Fielder-Civil's mother Georgette Civil has expressed concerns that her son could take his own life, saying that he "won't make it without her".

FM
Originally Posted by Karma_:
Originally Posted by velvet donkey:

If you dance with the devil you're gonna get burnt.

 

It's sad   -   but true.

Succint and true.

 

Just can't get over that she was only 27...she had years to build on her already successful career. I got into a row earlier (quelle surprise) with someone who asked why I didn't feel the same way about Michael Jackson, as if I'm supposed to just go on auto-pilot mourn mode for anyone who passes. Why are people treating it like a bloody grief porn competition?! It's getting right on my lils.

Why would you?  (tin hat on) Michael Jackson was always an artist with an eye on the more superficial hype aspects of the industry.  I'd go so far as to say that in the 80s and 90s, MJ was really a pre-teens' artist, with his emphasis on image and the big MTV video.  I don't really care too much about Michael Jackson, who, to my mind, bought himself out of being jailed as a paedophile.  Paedophilia accusations aside, I've never rated him as an artist of integrity or of any great creativity. Coming from what seems to be quite a cruel showbiz family, my view is that he just ended up being a victim of the "biz, they call - show!" perhaps made worse by a pretty dysfunctional early family life. 

 

So, back to Amy Winehouse, yes, I think it's tragic that an artist with such unique vocal talent and such a free thinker took such a self destructive path and was clearly a victim of her demons.

 

I guess my post reads like a grief porn justification, but maybe I'm of more extreme view than you, Karma, while in my view, Amy Winehouse's very early death at 27 is tragedy, I found the veneration of MJ pretty appalling considering (in my mind at least) he was just as bad as Gary Glitter, but with much more impressive back-catalogue.

 

RIP Amy!

 

Carnelian
Last edited by Carnelian
Originally Posted by Carnelian:

Why would you?  (tin hat on) Michael Jackson was always an artist with an eye on the more superficial hype aspects of the industry.  I'd go so far as to say that in the 80s and 90s, MJ was really a pre-teens' artist, with his emphasis on image and the big MTV video.  I don't really care too much about Michael Jackson, who, to my mind, bought himself out of being jailed as a paedophile.  Paedophilia accusations aside, I've never rated him as an artist of integrity or of any great creativity. Coming from what seems to be quite a cruel showbiz family, my view is that he just ended up being a victim of the "biz, they call - show!" perhaps made worse by a pretty dysfunctional early family life. 

 

So, back to Amy Winehouse, yes, I think it's tragic that an artist with such unique vocal talent and such a free thinker took such a self destructive path and was clearly a victim of her demons.

 

I guess my post reads like a grief porn justification, but maybe I'm of more extreme view than you, Karma, while in my view, Amy Winehouse's very early death at 27 is tragedy, I found the veneration of MJ pretty appalling considering (in my mind at least) he was just as bad as Gary Glitter, but with much more impressive back-catalogue.

 

RIP Amy!

 

Articulate and distinct as always, Carnelian and bang on the money. The only difference for me is that I championed Jackson's work (everything up to, and including, Thriller - after that the skin got lighter, the oxygen chambers came out and he was clearly far too involved with his own press). I was never a screeching, over pretentious mega Jackson fan but always admired his work ethic and his achievements, however, the minute I saw him state he shares his bed with children (regardless of the disputed 'innocent' circumstances), my viewpoint immediately changed. And it would have changed whether Amy Winehouse, Luther Vandross or Martin Luther King had admitted to such an act. Convicted or not, I couldn't (and still can't) fathom how a grown man fails to see those actions were wrong and I also wonder how people can continue to support such a person, but each to their own I guess.

 

With Winehouse, yes, clearly she was an addict (or smackhead as some like to put it) - but for me she was in the same ball park as Hendrix, Cobain and Lynott, huge success but clearly quite damaged and fighting her personal demons. She didn't murder anyone, didn't sleep with children, as you said, she was a free spirit who expressed her hell through her music.

 

As for Gary Glitter - isn't even worthy of an analysis. Scum.

Karma_
Originally Posted by Skylark24:
Originally Posted by Katerina:

Russell Brand has posted a tribute to Amy, and in it he talks about the disease of addiction. It's well worth a look, if anyone is interested in reading it's here:

 

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/sh...s-a-fing-genius.html

A wonderful and intelligent tribute from someone who knows what he is talking about. Very moving, and honest

Something else I pointed out to some twunt the other night. One bloke I was arguing with is a DJ in the states, has never touched drugs or studied them, has no kids of his own...yet he thought he was more qualified than Russell Brand or NA to talk about Amy's addiction and what he would have done as a parent. Knobhead. The extent of his knowledge was, and I quote, 'Damn smackhead skanky bitch. Glad she's dead'. He then went on to say 'She was shit anyway, she was finished. She was taking up space in the music industry, someone could have had her place'.

 

I won't repeat my retort.

Karma_
Originally Posted by Karma_:
Originally Posted by Skylark24:
Originally Posted by Katerina:

Russell Brand has posted a tribute to Amy, and in it he talks about the disease of addiction. It's well worth a look, if anyone is interested in reading it's here:

 

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/sh...s-a-fing-genius.html

A wonderful and intelligent tribute from someone who knows what he is talking about. Very moving, and honest

Something else I pointed out to some twunt the other night. One bloke I was arguing with is a DJ in the states, has never touched drugs or studied them, has no kids of his own...yet he thought he was more qualified than Russell Brand or NA to talk about Amy's addiction and what he would have done as a parent. Knobhead. The extent of his knowledge was, and I quote, 'Damn smackhead skanky bitch. Glad she's dead'. He then went on to say 'She was shit anyway, she was finished. She was taking up space in the music industry, someone could have had her place'.

 

I won't repeat my retort.

That is beyond horrible.

cologne 1
Originally Posted by cologne 1:

That is beyond horrible.

Oh he was just an ignorant twunt. Shouting his mouth off trying to impress. It got quite gnarly between us, but it was hard to even try to take him seriously cos his grammar and spelling (and txt speak) was shot to bits and he just ended up embarrassing himself. Not doing a grammar police here, but it is difficult to try and debate, let alone argue, with someone when half the time you're trying to decipher what the hell they're banging on about

Karma_
Originally Posted by Karma_:
Originally Posted by Skylark24:
Originally Posted by Katerina:

Russell Brand has posted a tribute to Amy, and in it he talks about the disease of addiction. It's well worth a look, if anyone is interested in reading it's here:

 

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/sh...s-a-fing-genius.html

A wonderful and intelligent tribute from someone who knows what he is talking about. Very moving, and honest

Something else I pointed out to some twunt the other night. One bloke I was arguing with is a DJ in the states, has never touched drugs or studied them, has no kids of his own...yet he thought he was more qualified than Russell Brand or NA to talk about Amy's addiction and what he would have done as a parent. Knobhead. The extent of his knowledge was, and I quote, 'Damn smackhead skanky bitch. Glad she's dead'. He then went on to say 'She was shit anyway, she was finished. She was taking up space in the music industry, someone could have had her place'.

 

I won't repeat my retort.

Disgraceful and just ignorant, to say "Glad she is dead" is sick. Lets hope when and if he has kids they dont have addictions. It can come to any door...........i imagine your retort was a good one !! xx 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

FM

Amy Winehouse’s Last Day

New details about the troubled singer’s final hours alive are trickling out—from a phone call with BFF Kelly Osbourne to a “bad” ecstasy pill. Chris Lee reports.

Jul 25, 2011 10:22 PM EDT

 

Around 10 o’clock Saturday morning, a member of Amy Winehouse’s security detail stopped by her $3.2 million London townhome to check on the soul diva with little reason to suspect he’d be the last person to see her alive. But by the time another guard who had been appointed to look after the self-destructive singer for the last two years visited the residence at 4:05 p.m., her body had gone cold and stiff with rigor mortis; authorities pronounced Winehouse dead at the scene.

Click here to find out more!

If there were any real surprise by 8:45 p.m., when Winehouse was taken out of the house in a body bag, it’s that the legendarily hard-living songstress seems to have gone out with a whimper instead of the kind of loud, messy, impossibly public bang for which she was known. “She was in her bedroom after saying she wanted to sleep,” her publicist, Chris Goodman, told The Sun. “At this stage no one knows how she died. She died alone in bed.”

Although initial autopsy results released Monday failed to establish what killed the performer and a toxicology report won’t be available for at least another fortnight, London’s Metropolitan Police are giving Winehouse’s death a Section 20 postmortem, an in-depth investigation on the ground that they believe her expiry was violent or suspicious.

But even while the big questions remain unanswered, new details have emerged that paint Winehouse’s last hours on earth as a period of loud drumming and close supervision by parents, doctors, and various handlers. There was an intimate phone conversation and—if the U.K.’s notoriouslypernicious tabloids are to be believed—one “bad” pill too many.

Winehouse was still reeling from her calamitous performance in Belgrade, Serbia, last month that forced her to pull out of an 11-date European tour. And to hear it from several published reports, Winehouse’s distress over her recent breakup with her on-again off-again boyfriend, film director Reg Traviss, compelled her to go on a weeks-long vodka bender in her London neighborhood, Camden. Even the singer’s mother, Janis Winehouse, told a British newspaper her daughter wasn’t well when she saw Winehouse the day before her death. “She seemed out of it,” Janis told the paper. But a story inThe Sun Monday details how the singer, who reportedly suffered from emphysema due to years of smoking cigarettes and crack cocaine, received a visit from her personal physician on Friday evening, and he gave her a clean bill of health. “The doctor was happy with her condition,” an anonymous source is quoted as saying. “When he left on Friday night he had no concerns.”

Amy Winehouse

Flowers and tributes are seen outside the home of Amy Winehouse in London July 24, 2011. Winehouse, one of the most talented singers of her generation whose hit song "Rehab" summed up her struggles with addiction, died in London on July 23 at the age of 27., Stefan Wermuth / Reuters

At some point later that evening, Winehouse got on the phone with her longtime BFF Kelly Osbourne. And, according to The Mirror UK, the two chatted for an hour with nary an indication that Winehouse was either intoxicated or unhealthy. “I was speaking to her last night, she seemed absolutely fine,” Osbourne is quoted as saying. “I don’t understand how this could have happened.” (A representative for Osbourne said she was unavailable for an interview with The Daily Beast.)

Winehouse apparently was still physically vigorous enough late Friday to also play drums in her bedroom so loudly that neighbors assumed she was hosting yet another of her raucous parties, and called to complain. But according to reports, the singer was alone by then and later curled up to watch videos.

An anonymous source in Sunday’s Mirror story claimed the singer died as a result of taking a “bad” ecstasy pill in combination with copious amounts of alcohol, while another tabloid claimed she had bought a grab-bag of drugs in the hours before she died, including cocaine, ketamine, and ecstasy. But her family called the reports “nonsense.”

“

At this stage no one knows how she died. She died alone in bed.

”

Bolstering their assertion, police confirmed Monday that a search of Winehouse’s three-story home—routinely described by visitors as a semi-ransacked party pad overflowing with empty liquor bottles, greasy pizza boxes, crumpled nuggets of tin foil, and assorted crack pipes—revealed no drugs or paraphernalia.

In keeping with the singer’s religious heritage, friends and relatives have been gathering at the Winehouse family home to sit shiva, the traditional period of Jewish mourning. The time and location for her private family funeral have been kept a secret but a spokesperson said services will take place Tuesday.

Ev (Peachy)
Originally Posted by Skylark24:
Originally Posted by Karma_:
Originally Posted by Skylark24:
Originally Posted by Katerina:

Russell Brand has posted a tribute to Amy, and in it he talks about the disease of addiction. It's well worth a look, if anyone is interested in reading it's here:

 

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/sh...s-a-fing-genius.html

A wonderful and intelligent tribute from someone who knows what he is talking about. Very moving, and honest

Something else I pointed out to some twunt the other night. One bloke I was arguing with is a DJ in the states, has never touched drugs or studied them, has no kids of his own...yet he thought he was more qualified than Russell Brand or NA to talk about Amy's addiction and what he would have done as a parent. Knobhead. The extent of his knowledge was, and I quote, 'Damn smackhead skanky bitch. Glad she's dead'. He then went on to say 'She was shit anyway, she was finished. She was taking up space in the music industry, someone could have had her place'.

 

I won't repeat my retort.

Disgraceful and just ignorant, to say "Glad she is dead" is sick. Lets hope when and if he has kids they dont have addictions. It can come to any door...........i imagine your retort was a good one !! xx 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To be honest, if any woman fertilises any eggs for that fool then good luck to her. Men in their 40's who have no children and have never been married do make me wonder..

Karma_

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