I think to try and make some sense of situations like this it's good to hear others peoples stories.
Originally Posted by Carnelian:
I thought she was older as she seems to have been a daily feature in the tabloid media for so long, but I suppose she lived so fast and died so young. Great for record/poster sales and the sex and drugs and rock and roll icon that was Amy Winehouse but what a tragedy for anyone, regardless of her indisputable and unique talent. With talent maybe comes unwanted personality attributes like self a destructive mission and a notion that a great artist has to suffer for their art and become an Shakespearian-like tragic figure, like so many of the female artists that were her inspirations. Maybe that's just marketing bullshit too! I wonder how many hangers on bought into that whole Amy Winehouse legend/product and how many people around her were nudging her down that path of self destruction?
Hmmm well apparently Universal are getting a bit of a slaying at the mo for allowing her to go out on stage in Belgrade a little while ago. Also Blake is getting a lot of blame thrown in his direction for getting her on drugs in the first place. What I find ironic is why didn't Dan Wootton (who is doing the most finger pointing towards Blake) point his fingers any sooner? She's been on drugs for a good few years, why hasn't he squeaked earlier if he felt so strongly about it? He had the perfect 'free press' to do it in. As for her friends - who knows? But I think ultimately it was her choice to keep going back to the drugs, although the only people who will really know the truth will be those who really knew her and how she lived on a day to day basis. What I do find quite disturbing is this argument that's going on on Twitter and Facebook from people saying that what happened in Norway was a lot worse and more deserving of remembrance than a 'smackhead'.
( ^^ That was only supposed to be a short post. 
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If you dance with the devil you're gonna get burnt.
It's sad - but true.
Theres plenty of nobs on twitter... im starting to wonder if im one of them
Today I lost about 8 followers...
(probably due to my foul mouthed rant during the rugby)
Originally Posted by MrMincePie:
Theres plenty of nobs on twitter... im starting to wonder if im one of them Today I lost about 8 followers...
(probably due to my foul mouthed rant during the rugby)
I saw that 
You do make me larf 
Originally Posted by velvet donkey:
If you dance with the devil you're gonna get burnt.
It's sad - but true.
Succint and true.
Just can't get over that she was only 27...she had years to build on her already successful career. I got into a row earlier (quelle surprise) with someone who asked why I didn't feel the same way about Michael Jackson, as if I'm supposed to just go on auto-pilot mourn mode for anyone who passes. Why are people treating it like a bloody grief porn competition?! It's getting right on my lils.
Originally Posted by ~Lee~:
Originally Posted by Skylark24:
Originally Posted by ~Lee~:
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
Are we still talking about poor Amy or have we drifted into personal scenarios?
Both Col.Amy's illness and death has probably touched the lives of many folk on a personal level,it is an illness that can indiscriminately come to all our doors.
Yes i agree, it opens up doors of all types of addictions, and its nice we can discuss this in a civilised way 
Skylark it's an illness like others than only can be overcome by the strongest and sadly as human nature dictates we're all not invincible , as in any illness it affects not just those who are ill.IMO as in no-one wakes and decides to become a victim of cancer no-one wakes and DECIDES to become an addict.
Yes of course, i understand that, its nice to share these things, which we sometimes keep private, my daughter smoked herion at 17 , and been addicted till 4 years ago. She is on methodone now, and its still a fight. She is 27 now, the same age as Amy. Its not been a good day for me, or her. But maybe and hopefully, Amy,s death will bring it home that drugs are not cool and not glamorous My daughter knows that, but it could easily have been her.
I felt sad when Michael Jackson died because my friends had bought me tickets to see him in the O2 for my birthday
Originally Posted by velvet donkey:
If you dance with the devil you're gonna get burnt.
It's sad - but true.
True,thank god for sudocreme and vaseline,we've all been burnt in this life by different means.Isn't it just as well we don't live in glass houses we'd all be goosed.
Originally Posted by Cagney:
I felt sad when Michael Jackson died because my friends had bought me tickets to see him in the O2 for my birthday
Good god... not the best of times when that happened on this forum
Originally Posted by Skylark24:
Originally Posted by ~Lee~:
Originally Posted by Skylark24:
Originally Posted by ~Lee~:
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
Are we still talking about poor Amy or have we drifted into personal scenarios?
Both Col.Amy's illness and death has probably touched the lives of many folk on a personal level,it is an illness that can indiscriminately come to all our doors.
Yes i agree, it opens up doors of all types of addictions, and its nice we can discuss this in a civilised way
Skylark it's an illness like others than only can be overcome by the strongest and sadly as human nature dictates we're all not invincible , as in any illness it affects not just those who are ill.IMO as in no-one wakes and decides to become a victim of cancer no-one wakes and DECIDES to become an addict.
Yes of course, i understand that, its nice to share these things, which we sometimes keep private, my daughter smoked herion at 17 , and been addicted till 4 years ago. She is on methodone now, and its still a fight. She is 27 now, the same age as Amy. Its not been a good day for me, or her. But maybe and hopefully, Amy,s death will bring it home that drugs are not cool and not glamorous My daughter knows that, but it could easily have been her.
Originally Posted by ~Lee~:
Originally Posted by velvet donkey:
If you dance with the devil you're gonna get burnt.
It's sad - but true.
True,thank god for sudocreme and vaseline,we've all been burnt in this life by different means.Isn't it just as well we don't live in glass houses we'd all be goosed.
Ohhhh yes.
Sad news to hear . Seems like some celebs can't cope with life in the fast lane and turn to drink and drugs. A very sad day, as along with a lot of other famous people she has died too young. A terrible loss.
Originally Posted by Skylark24:
Originally Posted by ~Lee~:
Originally Posted by Skylark24:
Originally Posted by ~Lee~:
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
Are we still talking about poor Amy or have we drifted into personal scenarios?
Both Col.Amy's illness and death has probably touched the lives of many folk on a personal level,it is an illness that can indiscriminately come to all our doors.
Yes i agree, it opens up doors of all types of addictions, and its nice we can discuss this in a civilised way
Skylark it's an illness like others than only can be overcome by the strongest and sadly as human nature dictates we're all not invincible , as in any illness it affects not just those who are ill.IMO as in no-one wakes and decides to become a victim of cancer no-one wakes and DECIDES to become an addict.
Yes of course, i understand that, its nice to share these things, which we sometimes keep private, my daughter smoked herion at 17 , and been addicted till 4 years ago. She is on methodone now, and its still a fight. She is 27 now, the same age as Amy. Its not been a good day for me, or her. But maybe and hopefully, Amy,s death will bring it home that drugs are not cool and not glamorous My daughter knows that, but it could easily have been her.
Aww Skylark,I can't say I know how you feel as a parent,god love you I can only imagine and it's a terrifying thought.I have lost family members through alcohol addiction and an addiction is an addiction but the pain it inflicts on the sufferer and those who love them is somewhat indescribable,god is good and I hope your daughter wins her battle.
I am not very sure of Lee,s post but have answered truthfully. I have to get off now, but i am very savvy with herion addiction and how it affects the family. If i can help at all, anyone is welcome to PM me , i cant say i can give all the answers, but i can listen and help if i can
Originally Posted by Skylark24:
Originally Posted by ~Lee~:
Originally Posted by Skylark24:
Originally Posted by ~Lee~:
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
Are we still talking about poor Amy or have we drifted into personal scenarios?
Both Col.Amy's illness and death has probably touched the lives of many folk on a personal level,it is an illness that can indiscriminately come to all our doors.
Yes i agree, it opens up doors of all types of addictions, and its nice we can discuss this in a civilised way
Skylark it's an illness like others than only can be overcome by the strongest and sadly as human nature dictates we're all not invincible , as in any illness it affects not just those who are ill.IMO as in no-one wakes and decides to become a victim of cancer no-one wakes and DECIDES to become an addict.
Yes of course, i understand that, its nice to share these things, which we sometimes keep private, my daughter smoked herion at 17 , and been addicted till 4 years ago. She is on methodone now, and its still a fight. She is 27 now, the same age as Amy. Its not been a good day for me, or her. But maybe and hopefully, Amy,s death will bring it home that drugs are not cool and not glamorous My daughter knows that, but it could easily have been her.
Don't answer if you don't want to but can you see a reason why your daughter started smoking heroin? I'm going back to what me and ditty were talking about earlier about how sometimes there's no obvious reason why people start taking drugs. If that's too personal then I understand if you don't want to answer.
Originally Posted by ~Lee~:
Originally Posted by Skylark24:
Originally Posted by ~Lee~:
Originally Posted by Skylark24:
Originally Posted by ~Lee~:
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
Are we still talking about poor Amy or have we drifted into personal scenarios?
Both Col.Amy's illness and death has probably touched the lives of many folk on a personal level,it is an illness that can indiscriminately come to all our doors.
Yes i agree, it opens up doors of all types of addictions, and its nice we can discuss this in a civilised way
Skylark it's an illness like others than only can be overcome by the strongest and sadly as human nature dictates we're all not invincible , as in any illness it affects not just those who are ill.IMO as in no-one wakes and decides to become a victim of cancer no-one wakes and DECIDES to become an addict.
Yes of course, i understand that, its nice to share these things, which we sometimes keep private, my daughter smoked herion at 17 , and been addicted till 4 years ago. She is on methodone now, and its still a fight. She is 27 now, the same age as Amy. Its not been a good day for me, or her. But maybe and hopefully, Amy,s death will bring it home that drugs are not cool and not glamorous My daughter knows that, but it could easily have been her.
Aww Skylark,I can't say I know how you feel as a parent,god love you I can only imagine and it's a terrifying thought.I have lost family members through alcohol addiction and an addiction is an addiction but the pain it inflicts on the sufferer and those who love them is somewhat indescribable,god is good and I hope your daughter wins her battle.
Thanks i wasnt sure what you were saying, she is well, but its a lifelong battle xxxx
skylark - I cannot imagine...strength to you and your daughter
Skylark - I don't have the words, but, well.. I wish you & your daughter well, you're living my nightmare, I very much wish for you both to get through this xx
I'm gutted. My brother owns a studio and she passed through there before she made her breakthrough. They still have one of her early demos on their books....it's called "When my eyes do close".
Originally Posted by Cagney:
Originally Posted by Skylark24:
Originally Posted by ~Lee~:
Originally Posted by Skylark24:
Originally Posted by ~Lee~:
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
Are we still talking about poor Amy or have we drifted into personal scenarios?
Both Col.Amy's illness and death has probably touched the lives of many folk on a personal level,it is an illness that can indiscriminately come to all our doors.
Yes i agree, it opens up doors of all types of addictions, and its nice we can discuss this in a civilised way
Skylark it's an illness like others than only can be overcome by the strongest and sadly as human nature dictates we're all not invincible , as in any illness it affects not just those who are ill.IMO as in no-one wakes and decides to become a victim of cancer no-one wakes and DECIDES to become an addict.
Yes of course, i understand that, its nice to share these things, which we sometimes keep private, my daughter smoked herion at 17 , and been addicted till 4 years ago. She is on methodone now, and its still a fight. She is 27 now, the same age as Amy. Its not been a good day for me, or her. But maybe and hopefully, Amy,s death will bring it home that drugs are not cool and not glamorous My daughter knows that, but it could easily have been her.
Don't answer if you don't want to but can you see a reason why your daughter started smoking heroin? I'm going back to what me and ditty were talking about earlier about how sometimes there's no obvious reason why people start taking drugs. If that's too personal then I understand if you don't want to answer.
Her father died, and she was having nightmares, had her tested for bi polar, as a child she was "seeing " things in her bedroom. She always had a vivid imagination, she used to say she could see ghosts. She had a very loving and secure childhood, her fathers death hit her hard, then her grandfather died. She wanted to block the pain out, basically. She got into a wrong crowd, and one thing leaded to another. Thats a very short version, but i didnt know that the drug thing was so bad, until i had to drag her out some den. She lied very well and covered it well, until it was very obvious. I knew she was smoking hash and went mental, but didnt know it was bad, till i was phoned one evening. She was living away from home, so i wasnt keeping up. I am on the ball now tho
Skylark, I've seen you mention your daughter before..
Anyway its not about me! Bye for now, if i can help with advice, i will reply thru PM,s and speak more openly . Take care, and thanks
Originally Posted by Skylark24:
Originally Posted by ~Lee~:
Originally Posted by Skylark24:
Originally Posted by ~Lee~:
Originally Posted by Skylark24:
Originally Posted by ~Lee~:
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
Are we still talking about poor Amy or have we drifted into personal scenarios?
Both Col.Amy's illness and death has probably touched the lives of many folk on a personal level,it is an illness that can indiscriminately come to all our doors.
Yes i agree, it opens up doors of all types of addictions, and its nice we can discuss this in a civilised way
Skylark it's an illness like others than only can be overcome by the strongest and sadly as human nature dictates we're all not invincible , as in any illness it affects not just those who are ill.IMO as in no-one wakes and decides to become a victim of cancer no-one wakes and DECIDES to become an addict.
Yes of course, i understand that, its nice to share these things, which we sometimes keep private, my daughter smoked herion at 17 , and been addicted till 4 years ago. She is on methodone now, and its still a fight. She is 27 now, the same age as Amy. Its not been a good day for me, or her. But maybe and hopefully, Amy,s death will bring it home that drugs are not cool and not glamorous My daughter knows that, but it could easily have been her.
Aww Skylark,I can't say I know how you feel as a parent,god love you I can only imagine and it's a terrifying thought.I have lost family members through alcohol addiction and an addiction is an addiction but the pain it inflicts on the sufferer and those who love them is somewhat indescribable,god is good and I hope your daughter wins her battle.
Thanks i wasnt sure what you were saying, she is well, but its a lifelong battle xxxx
Sky god bless you ,I hope to god as much as genetics play a part in her addiction, genes are shared ,your stronger genes help her win her battle.
Originally Posted by suzybean:
I'm gutted. My brother owns a studio and she passed through there before she made her breakthrough. They still have one of her early demos on their books....it's called "When my eyes do close".
Just saw your post over the road x That demo has just skyrocketed in value now, especially if she wrote it. (I don't mean that in a cash in quick kinda way). I've worked out why I don't feel the same about her and Jacko....with AW, she seemed personable, like you could walk around Camden or into a pub and would see her, a lot more earthy and raw and real than Jacko who was virtually untouchable and had cocooned himself into this bubble where everything he said (on the rare occasion he said anything) was scripted by some PR whizz. But they shared the similarity of being trapped by their own demons (and now I'm starting to sound like Saint Graham from Jeremy Kyle but don't mean to)
Skylark x
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
Are we still talking about poor Amy or have we drifted into personal scenarios?
Thats discussion for you!!!
Originally Posted by Karma_:
Originally Posted by suzybean:
I've worked out why I don't feel the same about her and Jacko....with AW, she seemed personable, like you could walk around Camden or into a pub and would see her, a lot more earthy and raw and real than Jacko who was virtually untouchable and had cocooned himself into this bubble where everything he said (on the rare occasion he said anything) was scripted by some PR whizz.
I think you summed it up pretty well there. I was shocked when jacko died, and thought it was sad and stuff, but i've felt quite depressed all evening (and I know that makes no sense, it's not like I knew her)
Skylark
Originally Posted by suzybean:
I'm gutted. My brother owns a studio and she passed through there before she made her breakthrough. They still have one of her early demos on their books....it's called "When my eyes do close".
Im actually getting quite angry at some people on facebook. Why do they feel the need to belittle her 
Originally Posted by Karma_:
Originally Posted by suzybean:
I'm gutted. My brother owns a studio and she passed through there before she made her breakthrough. They still have one of her early demos on their books....it's called "When my eyes do close".
Just saw your post over the road x That demo has just skyrocketed in value now, especially if she wrote it. (I don't mean that in a cash in quick kinda way). I've worked out why I don't feel the same about her and Jacko....with AW, she seemed personable, like you could walk around Camden or into a pub and would see her, a lot more earthy and raw and real than Jacko who was virtually untouchable and had cocooned himself into this bubble where everything he said (on the rare occasion he said anything) was scripted by some PR whizz. But they shared the similarity of being trapped by their own demons (and now I'm starting to sound like Saint Graham from Jeremy Kyle but don't mean to)
Oh I didn't know that it had sky rocketed. I don't think he (and the publishers) are all that fussed with the financial side of it....he (my bro) said she was always so creative and incredibly sassy. He liked her loads for most of the reasons you just said up there ^^^ That '27 forever Club' just keeps on growing
Her obituary in the Guardian Amy Winehouse sang as if her heart were damaged beyond repair.
Originally Posted by Gypsie~:
Im actually getting quite angry at some people on facebook. Why do they feel the need to belittle her
Jealousy innit?
Originally Posted by erinp:
Originally Posted by suzybean:
I'm gutted. My brother owns a studio and she passed through there before she made her breakthrough. They still have one of her early demos on their books....it's called "When my eyes do close".
Wow! Made @ Area (something??) Studios...Middlesex!
Oh dear - no editing is a pain ...link
Originally Posted by ~hoochie~:
Her obituary in the Guardian Amy Winehouse sang as if her heart were damaged beyond repair.
That's what made her so unique IMO. She really sang from the heart .......................how sad - I don't think she knew how to be happy - her music is evidence of that. She had success and money but - she had a very sad heart - she said it through her music.
Originally Posted by Gypsie~:
Im actually getting quite angry at some people on facebook. Why do they feel the need to belittle her
That seems to be the Facebook mentality these days.I was on there for 1 week recently and then de-reged. It is beyond me. 
Originally Posted by Soozy Woo:
Originally Posted by ~hoochie~:
Her obituary in the Guardian Amy Winehouse sang as if her heart were damaged beyond repair.
That's what made her so unique IMO. She really sang from the heart .......................how sad - I don't think she knew how to be happy - her music is evidence of that. She had success and money but - she had a very sad heart - she said it through her music.
agree with that wholeheartedly
Thanks for the reply skylark I can see how that would drive someone to try to find a way to block out the pain. It's great she's on the right track now too....with your help