She did irk me a bit tonight at times she seemed cold, but im willing to give her the benefit of the doubt as im hoping its just that she doesnt want to show what shes thinking so shes being all off hand.

I felt bad when he was in the diary room too. I feel bad when people genuinely cry regardless though.

I can't stop them from having their own preferences Peter BUT I am surely allowed to put my own counter argument..
I am sorry but I can mostly see how all the HMs can attract followers - BUT in this case it is beyond me.

i don't think it had anything to do with that. I don't think he liked the way she looked down her nose and sneered at people .........I'm afraid i would feel the same - I'm far from a violent person but the way she looked at people made me want to slap her silly over made up face. Sorry .......but she really thought she was a bit special ......she wasn't. I was actually quite glad that JJ pulled her up on it.

It was incredibly rude and disrespectful.

He's far from perfect that is true, he also knows how to play the game, but I felt very sorry for him tonight..Josie shafted him and he knew it.

I think JJ is one of the two best HMs in there

No worries i know im totally in the minority x

I bet Rachael enjoyed seeing him cry, karma at it's best.

" So a woman who flaunts her sexuality has no respect for herself?  "

Not in my opinion, no    but take no notice of me, I`m old fashioned.

How dare he treat Rachael the way he did, it was absolutely disgraceful.None of his business what she planned to do when she left the BB house. Non condonable in any way, shape or form in my opinion.

Then why didn't any of the housemates ask her about that look if they had noticed it?.. I noticed her doing it but I think it was also her facial expressions.



Also if Rachael wanted to do the lads mags then who is he to stick his nose in, she was honest about it and why should she have to answer to someone who she doesn't know.

I was surprised that Josie could continue it when he was obviously in bits...   I can't do that to anyone... the moment they crumble I want to comfort them.

I think perhaps Josie got herself into a situation with the whole thing... outside the house she may have been able to blag her way out of it (the porky pie bit)... and then when he went to bits.. I don't think she expected that and I don't think she knew how to deal with it...  her giggles towards the end seemed nervous & out of embarrassment.

Yes just like she enjoyed laughing at the ones who did'nt get into the house and called them rejects....

Does JJ look down on Hairdressers too?.

with a personality like his, that  isn't necessarily a good thing...

Have we only got JJ's word for that

because thats something he picks up on. have to say if i were in that house i would have picked up on the way she looked down her nose. Maybe thats why i like him, i see where hes coming from.

One thing I find about JJ is he always tells the truth unlike some..I did'nt like Rachael from the minute she walked in the house and gave all the gorls dirty looks, even Davina commented on it and so did Rachael later..snotty little brat she was....

Also Corin openly admitted that she would pose for Nuts magazine if she was asked, again good on her if thats what she wants and it's none of his business.

maybe on occasion, but better to be a real warts and all than fake.

That turned me off her on day one...she was giving every other girl that entered the house that sneering look...as if she thought they'd just crawled out of cheese

I can't see the love story. Thought she hated him.

I have no idea ......perhaps they didn't like confrontation. I saw it lots .............on the high light show and on live feed. It certainly wasn't imagined by JJ .......it was real enough for everyone to see.

Not so,he is very capable of telling porkies himself which I have seen and heard. He is certainly not immune at all.

Yes the truth according to JJ. 
Not the same at all

Only pubic ones....

Rachel looked down her nose at everyone and was right up herself...that's what got her evicted, the GBP didn't like her and took the chance to get rid of her...now that's Karma Darlo. She also got what she went in there for...a session with NUTS and maybe a date or two with some thick footballer if she's lucky

oooh pray tell..I'm all ears....

I think he opens his mouth and whatever is in his head comes out. Not a bad way to be, not always the best option...but at least you know where you stand. Its better than being sly.

which as far as I've seen is pretty accurate,

Me too Ditty..... which is another reason I don't like JJ... cos he has no compassion for those he upsets.... in fact the more he upsets the more satisfaction he seems to get from it. *disagree x 2*

We have a very dear Australian friend...who only has one fault which he calls Aussie Disease.....he doesn't know when to keep his gob shut....because in Aussie they  just come out in the open with what's on their minds...something the Brits never do...so there's a bit of a culture clash

You can get treatment for that He told Josie that Steve had said stuff about her and it caused ructions between them, he also totally fabricates any perceived slight he sees against himself, remember after his relentless goading of Dave reading his Bible, and the spin (lies) he told the other hm's about what Dave said. Because he says immediately what comes into his head, doesn't (imo) make him an honest or indeed a nice person.

I agree with all of this, aside from maybe his banter with Josie but that's just because I don't like her

I hated seeing him look so distressed tonight, and I think he genuinely was as upset as he was making out. He also reminds me a lot of myself in the way he behaves with arguments and that, like how he immediately goes back to speaking to people he's fallen out with after a few minutes but doesn't seem to understand that not everyone is the same as him

I think its called tact Kaytee. I abhorr those folk that think they are dead straight and honest because they say what's on their minds.They seem to have no censor that tells them to button it. Invariably it ends up hurting people and I personally can't stand it.

I wonder... I really really wonder...
If JJ looked like Dave, how many people on here would still be defending him?

We should really designate a tree, wall, bedpost or something if we are gonna start a tally chart! 

I think in that exchange, Josie came across as the insensitive, manipulative one, lapping up the drama and quite honestly being very nasty indeed. In that entire 'crabgate' thing I have been in team JJ and what I saw tonight did nothing to make me change my mind........now I may not sympathise with him another time, but this time he was well and truly hung drawn and quartered by his so called friend...some friend.

Oh Jesus Christ Ife STFU, going OT.

 How about for every time I agree , you take a kangeroo off..... *wonders how good a fibber I can be*

No you'd have to elaborate on those..you've well lost me and I mean that in a true tactful European way....