Spidey my love,

I take your points some of which are good, but sorry I think JJ1's volatile aggressive attack on Sam cannot be held in comparison to Sam Pepper's annoying insults which are not pre meditated and not thought out...

Sam to me at best, is an annoying little brother who if you ignore strategically, he never really bothers you..Corin and Jo have dealt with him well...Farmer Gile's reactions to Sam have been cleverly manipulated by her.

There has been a lot of talk about Farmer Giles and Sam having "Previous" during the Lockdown period, I wern't there so I don't know.

I believe JJ1 went on this course of attack as a means to save his boyfriend JJ2 and for Sam to look as bad as possible...

JJ1 who always prides himself on being up front and keeping it real..Got caught out bitching, by the very person he was bitching about...JJ1 had no defence so his best form of defence as we know, is ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK.

If he really felt offended by the comments Sam made about Farmer Giles why not address them last week when Sam was NOT up for eviction? Why smirk and laugh at some of the comments made to Farmer Giles?

JJ1 is and has always had his CrabEyes firmly on the game and he hasn't taken his eyes off the prize since he walked through the doors.

Sorry for the long rant, I doubt we will agree, but there ya go.

,Imbecile was wound up tight as a spring all day after hearing George Lamb call him a tosser,and the fact his clone JJ2 was facing eviction..... Samwas ok with her from last week,nothing whatsoever to do with him being up for eviction which he didn't know until Monday,Imbecile and Josie quizzed him last Friday night,heard what they wanted and he became his *Friend*,not....His self righteous indignation is laughable he's such a hypocrite.

yes imo they are as bad as each other...john james gets his jollies brow beating women.........sam gets his insulting them..........yet for some reason john james is despised and sam in general isn't.........

as i said on another thread........if for example john had said to jo(a self confessed 'cougar')......'you're just an old slag really jo' then laughed......he'd of been torn to pieces on here........sam calls josie 'a fat slag' and supposedly it's funny

i'm afraid sam can not expect to insult people and behave as he has done in his incessant antagonistic manner and not expect some comeback

Spongee don't forget SHE asked Sam am I seen as a tart out there,he refused to answer,she pushed it so he joked ok I think you're a tart.

Sam calling Josie names is only because they have a bro/sis kinda relationship, and they both like "hating" each other just as much. John James is just, at times a knob!

Exactly! He sat back and sniggered all the time Josie was flipping her lid. Even when Sam snatched the bedclothes off both of them, he wasn't bothered about Josie being upset that her arse was hanging out.
It's only because he's realised Sam could snatch 'his' crown away that he is now erupting like an angry zit.

Spongey!!   Glad I'm not alone on this one.

Nice turn of phrase.

which is entirely different to being called a 'fat slag'.............she did not ask him if she was that...........he chose to mention her weight and the use of the word slag

John James only cares when  sam crosses the line with him.

He couldn't care less, when others are being hurt.

I agree with the OP.

Why does she claim to *Love* him then?...Barbie Boy himself has declared how she over-reacts,coming from him that speaks volumes.

Last night CrabEyes also told Farmer Giles she was "Clueless" and didn't know what was going on...

If Farmer Giles took her eyes off his Cock for 5 minutes, she would see what an abusive Wanker he really is...

Spidey you are not alone!

I think they're as bad as each other too....albeit in different ways.

I like them both though. I don't think either are bad people, just normal people with the normal amount of good and...erm... not so good traits,  and I have to say......I LOOOOVE them as HM's!

i presume it's cos one day she 'loves' him (i imagine those days are when he's not in her face) and the next when he is she doesn't............same as sam chops and changes with her.......she said to him ages ago........'i like you sam,but i don't like the things you say sometimes'....so i'd imagine that's the answer




same as one day when he was being nice to her....she asked him why and he said 'cos you haven't annoyed me yet'...............the like/dislike is on both sides

Spongee you're missing my point ,why did she stand and let Imbecile claim Sam was fake for doing exactly what she has done?....She didn't contradict him about it at all ,surely as the same thing applies to her she of all folk should have corrected that point at least.

She did contradict him, Lee.

She said that she didn't believe Sam was pretending to like her, but she did agree that he was acting up for the cameras.

He said as much in the shower scene Bliz:  " I don't care if he does that, I don't care if he does that, when he gets involved with me and does that, I will have a go, if he does that to someone else that's up to them to say something"

Having now seen the video, I would say that she partly disagreed with John J and partly agreed with him.....good, she's getting back to the 'old Josie' with her own mind and opinons, (irrespective of whether she's right or wrong)

When she was in the shower Imbecile was spewing all his bile,Sam is this this this and that,did she disagree given as she *like/loves* him?,nope ,all she had to say about it was I told you.

That's not all she said, Lee. She agreed that she thought he was probably doing things for airtime, but she told John James to leave him alone, as she didn't want to see anyone that upset.

I think that's fair enough....... even on here I have to bite my tongue sometimes and stop myself from wading in to other peoples battles. Surely that's the right thing to do?

As for who is worse Sam or JJ1, Sam doesn't care about other people being hurt either but then reacts when it's him, exactly the same way JJ1 does.  Sam has called Josie some vile names AND called in to question her character (eg the mag deal stuff). All JJ1 really did last night (repitition and aggression aside ) was accuse Sam of being fake and Sam got upset. But it's ok for Sam to imply Josie is fake?

I honestly can't see the difference between the two.

Me neither, except Sam's tears were more convincing.

JJ, Sam, Josie et al are fake...acting out their parts for the cameras. No point in being het up about any of them in that house, they're all as bad as each other and in it to win it, whatever it takes. I'm completely fed up with the lot of them

Awww..... I felt so sorry for him. The way he threw himself on the bed in despair, I wanted to give him a hug.

I suppose that's the one thing I will give Sam over JJ, he's still very young bless him. (but I suspect still quite immature for his age )

After seeing her in action anyone can be excused for calling her character into question....Hollywood doesn't know she's here she  is so capable of turning it off and on,last night alone we went from her sat telling Corin how heartbroken( complete with expressions to match) it is seeing Sam cry to within minutes going in the lounge draping over the couch and bring in fits laughing at what had happened with the Motely crew in the shower.

Me too, and I can't stand him, most of the time!

Sure you're right Ducky it was more the 'I don't care, I don't care' bit that I was thinking of...but maybe I was taking that too literally?

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