Count yourself lucky you're not working Easter Sunday and Monday, like me.

p.s i know i don't post on here much so i'm a bit cheeky asking for opinions.  I always come on here to have a read and do feel i know you all a bit

So i'm sorry if i'm out of line

Are you in a union???
(Wish I had a fiver for everytime.... etc. )

duchess, course you are not out of line posting and asking for opinions

do you normally go in half an hour early on the Friday for no pay?  if you do, why has this upset you? what is the difference?

sorry, not having a go, just dont understand

Cleaning is always unreasonable, IMO.

Well, especially if you will be making more mess afterwards.

no not in any union - i used to be but when we got took over we had to do it ourselves and i kinda never got round to it!!  Do you think i could ask them if its fair?  She is really asking for extra work for no pay in my eyes

Barney on a friday we go in half an hour earlier for cleaning and we get paid for it its all in the weekly hours two and a half hours every day mon to thurs and 3 hours on a friday

oh i see

well then i would be pee'd off too   whats the point in cleaning up on Thursday - nobody using it and then cleaning up again on Tuesday

Unfortunately employers and their evil colleagues, the HR Dept. have the upper hand. They don't understand terms like "fair" and treat you rather as some object that gets the job done. As a group you could probably just refuse, but you need solidarity and not everyone is keen on rocking the boat.

EXACTLY! Thats my point!  Though the other girl i work with doesn't care she doesn't mind working for nothing!!

Are you being paid less because you're not in on Friday?
Because if you're getting the same money, I can't see what the problem is. You are already being paid a bit extra for coming in half an hour early to do the cleaning - what difference does it make what day you do it?

I think the point is that Friday is Good Friday, and thus a public holiday. The half hour extra time surely becomes null and void. Any overtime worked on the Thursday should be paid as overtime.

THanks guys for your replies i knew i could count on you! I don't feel so silly now although i know its sounds petty but i'm so mad!

Is this another one of your clever wordplays referring to Mr. Lilibet leaving it out?

Demantoid i think you are missing my point!  We do three hours on a Friday and two and a half hours on mon to thurs - the cook wants us to do three hours on the thursday but not get overtime just to do cleaning!!  but we are in for a day in the holiday - tues - to do two and a half hours of cleaning!!

any clearer

I just don't see it.
If she currently comes in early one day a week to clean (and is paid on that basis) what difference does it make if she does it a day early? She's not being asked to work a bank holiday, unlike many of us!
Maybe it would be fairer if her bosses told her not to come in and clean, then deducted half an hour's pay - since she would be working half an hour less than normal, as well as getting Friday off.

Filth!

*** gets duchess to clean up thread, for free ***

deman i wont be working half an hour less at all

You would if you didn't come in and clean.

Correction - half an hour less for not cleaning on Thursday and one whole DAY less, because of Good Friday.

I'm not sure if I got it right so please bear with me....If you work the 30mins extra on Thursday you won't have to go in on Friday for cleaning?.....If so go for it

As far as I can see, Dems is right

It must be just me then  Friday is a public holiday, you can't transfer 30 minutes of a public holiday to Thursday.
(I had 30+ years of working bank holidays and I would rather work them, particulatrly Good Friday)

I think that you would quite possibly be able to refuse to do the extra hour on Thursday if you kept strictly to the terms of your contract, but I really find it hard to believe that anyone would make an issue over an extra 30 minutes?  It does seem to be a bit jobsworthy, and I think you would lose any good will if you needed your employer to show you a bit of flexibility in the future.

I agree with Joe.

What if duchess normally did eight hours on a Friday and they told her she had to do five and a half extra hours on the Thursday?
Would that be fair?

Plus, of course, the cleaning is totally unnecessary, as they are cleaning on the Tuesday!

That is indeed the gamble. However I noticed the term "When we were took over!" Does this mean that Duchess is now working for a privatised firm? If that's the case one has to fight the scum for everything one can get as they constantly re-tender and screw one down........ if I've understood this correctly.

we are off friday anyway the cook wants us to work thurs like a friday  even though we are in the following tues to do more cleaning its pointless to me

can this be clearer because we are off friday we should be only working 10 hours but she wants an extra 30 mins for nothing i know it sounds petty.  garage joe is the only one who gets what i mean

The half hour cleaning normally gets done on a Friday, so it sounds to me like the cook is being the jobsworth, seeing as the kitchen will be closed for the holidays and is being cleaned on the Tuesday after.

blizzie thank you

.... and Lilibet.

I do, duchess.

Oops, you're welcome.

I'm waiting until the kids leave home, before I clean up.

thanks all of you blizzie and garage joe esp got to go shopping now will be back later byeee xx

I get it too duchess

Well you did ask for opinions, but it sounds as though you're only interested in the ones which agree with you!  I do understand the circumstances, but I still think it is extremely petty to make an issue out of working for an extra half hour, whatever the circumstances.  Blimey, I'm just doing a mental calculation of how rich I would be if I was paid for the extra time I worked

Being asked to work unpaid is surely unreasonable
it aint the point about 'only half an hour' ... cos there will probably be other half-an-hour's slipped in here and there.
And the manager thought unpaid work was reasonable  - well he wud!!!
Join a union - its a must - employers listen wen you say, "My union sed ..."

I'm completely confused. .if you work in a kitchen surely part of your job is to clean up every day....

would be a bit skanky if you only cleaned it once a week.. 

plus if you are leaving the cleaning for 4 days undone.. ie going in on a tues to do it, won't it it be even harder work to clean it after sitting getting crusty for so long? get a head start Thursday and possibly get away quicker on Tues?

I don't get this 'I don't want to do extra bits and bobs' and the 'working to rule' rubbish.... I got paid 9-5 but had to make sure my work was done before I left.. paid OT was limited  but I still worked to get the stuff finished..  the customers would have been well ticked off if I just upped and went home at 5pm..  [I worked in a bank back then, can just see their faces if their loans/overdrafts etc were delayed all becos I was a clock watcher.. ]

I'm presuming this is a weekly 'proper deep clean', Olly, which will be done on the Tuesday after Easter, anyway.

I'm sure they clean up every day, after cooking and serving up.

phew that's a relief blizzie. . for a bit there I thought it sounded like my own kitchen 

Still don't get the clock watcher peeps tho.. never did and never will.. and the ones that always say. .run to the union.. them buggers ruined our industry with all their demands and pricing us out of the markets.. oooh and I remember strikes causing me to have 2 hours [on top of the 2 or more it took normally] extra travel each way to work all because some bods got the sack for being found asleep at work and and and ........


oops am on a rant. .better stop before I get slaughtered.. tis a very 'red' place on here from what I read ..

I think, especially for low paid work, as I'm sure school kitchen workers will be, then asking for unpaid labour is a bit much, tbh.

If they begrudge them their public holidays off, then make sure the extra half an hour is never done on a Monday, or Friday, in future.

*** doesn't mention the fact that she was a Union Rep at the old Midland Bank, in years gone by ***