The SNP will not have a referendum on Independance anytime soon ,when /if they do I doubt they would be successful.

Let me give you a clue. In order to change a system you have to convince people that change is necessary. Fail. Don't, as Vince Cable did, accuse the NO faction of being a nasty bunch of right wing fanatics. Major Fail. Don't send out postcards containing ridiculous claims to voters. Fail.

I think we all knew that Scotland was going it's own way! In transit recently I heard Salmon on Desert Island Discs. There's no way we'd ever find a candidate to compete with his charisma. His stories were absolutely enthralling.

Salmond-Charisma in the same sentence !!

I'm inclined to agree, if there was an election tomorrow, the Tories would win.  The Tories, with Lib Dem complicity, have successfully hidden the global/banking recession and replaced it with 'The mess the last lot left us in'. 

 

The problem now is the Lib Dems are a busted flush, who are so unpopular with their former supporters that they've got to cling to this coalition for their lives.  Their hope was that AV would have returned approx the same number of Lib Dem MPs even with a much reduced vote share.  Under FPTP, they'll be crucified. 

 

Cameron, by comparison can almost bait the Lib Dems into breaking the coalition, in the knowledge that the Lib Dems have nowhere to go and his party, backed by Murdoch's propaganda etc will probably win a flash election.

Once again someone has posted something and I can't read the last few posts. I'll bid you adieu.

An example of the dirty tricks doing the rounds.  The AV system proposed in the referendum wasn't a points based system as in this video.

See,I can't stand spud heid Salmond! He's a greasy  smug git!  However Scottish labour are lazy,they thought we have the vote no matter what we do......big wake up call,get organised.However I feel most Scots will be against independance...Too many rangers/loyalists up here.

am inclined to agree with all of the above. get rid of any alternative by assimilating and destroying them. i know the liberals were never contenders but they did bring a little colour (and sometimes a conscience) to politics. i grew up in canada, the liberals have been annihalted there also.

It's funny as those who wanted to change our voting system just happen to be those who dont like the Tory party and the fact that they got of elected last year....I love it lol

 

 

BTW at least The English Hating Party...sorry, I mean the SNP, did well in Scotland so now that means they will have their long awaited vote to break away from the Union, and surely they will vote to split up the UK.

 

I think it would be good for them to stand on their own two feet at last, and we English can be our own country so that we can get our own identity which we seemed to have lost down the years.

 

NOW, just one problem remains, what to do with Wales. 

Shush yer waffling Vid,,,,

When push comes to shove  most Scots do not want to break up the Union etc.

I want a People's Republic of Camden

OMG I live in Camden....I .live near PeterCat.

Hmmm, thats not what the leader of the SNP says....we'll see Katty.

Firkinell!!!

 

*sets up barricades*

Bit of a generalisation if I may say so.

So, by implication, those who wanted to keep FPTP are all Tory lovers?  

Ha Ha you two ^^^ I couldn't help but LOL at that implication....mmmm GJ and Blizz, surely the forum's secret Tories

I can now reveal that us anti AV old tribal labour trade unionist types have zero tolerance for the Tories and their LibDem colleagues.

Too late GJ, your secret's out 

Except they didn't, did they?  They didn't get a majority.  

 

They're only in government with aid of the venal, careerist politicians of the Lib Dems.

  

I must say that I made a substantial return on a recent investment with Mr Ladbroke mind.

What does venal mean :?:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=venal

It isn't as simple as the Scots having a referendum to leave UK voting yes and leaving. The referendum would NOT be legally binding and would need to be ratified by Westminster in order to give the Scots independence. Scotland only has 59 MP's and wouldn't have much clout in dividing up resources. There would be allot to work out what happens to the nuclear capability that is Scotland based would the rest of the UK hand over the nukes what about the army. No doubt the Scottish would claim Scottish regiments belong to them however many of the Scottish regiments contain English soldiers. What about the north sea oil which is in what would be Scottish territorial waters that was accessed though UK funds.

 

 

All these are things and many more would need much negotiation and in the case of the soldiers a new contract. If the terms were not favourable to the rest of the UK independance wouldn't happen referendum or not.  Course this would breed resentment in scotland but unless it come to civil war there isn't much else they could do.

 

Odds are Scotland would get it's independence but be given a share in the profits from the oil in north sea. Not be allowed nukes (I don't even think we would be allowed to give them to a new country UK would continue as England wales and northern island and keep things like UN permanent membership, EU membership etc.) If Scotland withed to join EU I guess it would need to apply. The Scottish regiments would go to Scotland but the soldiers would be asked to sign up to the Scottish army or transfer to another regiment.

 

I am not certain that the scottish would vote yes anyway think a no vote would win because it is unlikely the conditions of leaving would be presented to them and I am not sure how scotland would manage without english money.

 

One thing is certain it isn't just a case of having a referendum then drawing a line between England and Scotland and saying everything north of the border is ours now feck off

 

Thanks for the info on this, I guess over 300 years of Union cant just be broken up that easily.

They still did alot better than Labour.

 

Whoever gets elected (or not quite elected) it's still a fairer and better system than AV would have been.

The Tories in Scotland would never vote to break away from the union.

There is the issue of the Crown,many who support the SNP will not want to come out of the Union!

Labour will not support the referendum for Independance.

 

That is undeniable, but never the less, not enough.

 

Lib Dem voters and Labour voters voted against slash and burn economics

 

Only Tory voters voted for slash and burn.

 

What do we end up with?  Tory slash and burn. 

 

The Lib Dems don't seem to be able to get their heads around why they're despised by centre left these days.

I'm a little disappointed, but at least my region voted YES. Upwards and onwards I guess.

TBH we are not very keen on the centre left either, up here, in the top right, though but.

You must be quite happy though. You alright? Hardly get to 'chat' to you these days.

suffering a bit at the mo! Hope you are well! We put a lot of work in but my council is still NOC. We gained five but still one short.

Suffering? I'm well ta. Been limiting my non-profitable tinternet time so that I can look at my kids as well as hearing them. 

I've had quite a few respiratory probs as a result of various allergies. Chest n ear infections, and apparently I am also allergic to penicillin. Who could have known?

Aww bummer! I wish you better CT.