Still voting 'No'.

 

The only party I could even think about giving a second preference vote, are the Green people, and that's only because I like the colour.

 

ION, a LibDem lady, at my door, told me that I didn't have a Labour choice in the council elections, so I thought it would be yet another chance to soil my ballot paper, but I've had a Labour leaflet through the door, so I'm happier, now.

 

Was she lying, or was he a late-comer? 

Lol. NO! Right denied Syd!

Too right.

 

I demand the right to complain about everyone! 

Thats the three of us sitting round and complaining then.......

Someone ^^^^^^ suggested that the system should be more proportional to the votes cast for parties rather than a FPTP system. It would be more representative of the people's wishes. 30-35% of the people can't be arsed. That's quite a large constituency.

Ok... You can complain about everyone Blizzie , but only if you voted ... And only if you don't tell Syd. * that sounds like the British Gas shares advert*

 

Thank you. 

Yes, we could assume that 30-35% are happy with the status quo, as long as Francis Rossi doesn't get in! 

I can feel a tune coming on.........

(it's dreadful when one has to return in the middle of the night to explain One's sarcasm rich slightly cocky goading posts) The Status Quo party aren't so much a threat under AV, Lilibet, but under PR if they got, for example, 100 votes in Bromsgrove that would give Francis one seat in the North West.

Before I attempt to get back to sleep, may I also point out that none of these people would want AV if they had ever been a counter or a scrutineer, at 2am.

Stop it now.

You're making it look like an attractive idea!  

Are our posts waking you up? 

 

*** gets quite excited *** 

......... And before any more pedants arrive I'm well aware that Bromsgrove is not in the North West, that's rather much the point.

No! My current batch of illness is keeping me awake. But you don't want to know about that. Etc

To all those in the North, East, West.....and me Down South......nite nite xxxxxxxxxx

 anyway.

 

I understooded your point, by the way. 

Night Syd. 

Night! I hope!

Still voting 'yes'.  Better to kick the organ grinder than his monkey.

Well I don't know. It's very rare to find a left winger in favour, but one must never pigeon hole people!

broad church an all that.

Indeed!

it's amazing how reactionary the old guard have become. revolutionary tories and labourites scared of change, piffle!

If we have the AV voting system, I wonder if TV pundits and exit polls would become redundant.

The scared of change bollocks won't wash I'm afraid.

if you say so 

One fondly remembers various managers trying to impose ideas on the workforce and using the "scared of change" argument in lieu of anything practical.

and one fondly remembers being shafted by union barons peddling that change would do us all in, when what they really meant was that they were protecting their own gravy trains and scams while all of us at the bottom were collateral damage.

 

Well yes but just because situations like this happen does not mean all change is good/bad. It seems to me the only thing AV will achieve is give us regular coalitions and give the lib dem's a permanent place in said coalitions.

well they say power corrupts so if a move toward more proportional representation means there are less 'safe' seats (that can be gifted to deputy leader's husbands called harman-dromey and sons of rich corporate raiders called goldsmith) which means less complacency and more accountability then it's all good, in my opinion and experience.

i'll be  voting yes to  av, it  would be  better if it were a vote for pr, but if we get  av, i reckon we stand a better chance of  gettin pr  at  some time in the  future.

That's my main reason for a yes vote.

Either way, we will take our youngest grandson with us to his first election. It's also the first time I've officially proposed a candidate.

Av will be a poor system, with much room for mistakes. mark my words

I don't understand why.  Fair play is the essence of the left winger in my book. 

 

I don't agree with backing a voting system just because it suppresses the BNP or other right wing parties I don't happen to like. 

 

First past the post has served the Tories very well over the years and to be honest, was it really democratically justifiable that Labour formed a majority government of 66 MPs in 2005 with just over 35% share of the vote; which was less than 3% more than Howard's Tories. 

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they did, but I'd be livid if the Tories formed a majority government on that share of the vote.

 

Likewise, those awful Tory governments that ruled with such arrogance in the 1980s polled less than 45% of the vote.

Just voted! The LibDems only had one candidate!

As Deborah Orr said, "the final irony? Without a credible third party, there's no great need to get rid of FPTP anyway!"

A fair point.  Clegg can blame the dubious statements and lies of the 'no' campaign and he's right to do so, but he can't escape that it's his party's capitulation to the Tories since the election that has greatly weakened the case for AV. 

 

His 'miserable little compromise' statement might have sounded great to the party faithful when dealing with Labour, but has been a godsend to the 'no' campaign.  Just as with student fees, Clegg's only got himself to blame.

 

I can't argue with her analysis here

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comm.../05/av-vote-lib-dems

Lies of the No campaign? You obviously didn't receive the stuff from the fairer vote organisation!