The ultimate act of betrayal - you won't beat it. 2,500 troops is all it took and airpower. That could have been filled in.
To see Johnson and particularly Raab joking and shaking their heads yesterday - no words. Raab with Blackford was a disgrace.
Raab went to Oxford apparently. I cannot believe how dumb he is. Incompetent beyond belief.
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Shocking incompetence in the way this has been handled by ALL governments involved.
Just goes to show Velvet, that having a degree doesn't make a person smart/clever 
And what happened to the 20 years of support given to the Afghanistan government.
To allow the Taliban to takeover so quickly is just incredible.
I think this equals 9/11 slim in the horror scale. At least 
@velvet donkey posted:I think this equals 9/11 slim in the horror scale. At least
I was watching tv as the 9/11 happened....it was almost movie like 
Let's just hope the Taliban keep to their word and let the people carry on as they were.......as for the insurgent groups...who knows.
No chance.
@velvet donkey posted:No chance.
Unfortunately I think you could be right
@velvet donkey posted:No chance.
Sadly , I think you are right Velvet .
Itâs one awful mess.
You'd need to be brain dead Baz. He signed it
@velvet donkey posted:You'd need to be brain dead Baz. He signed it
Yes, but he will have conveniently forgotten that Velvet âĶ.Iâm sure he will be spinning it as anybodies fault but his âĶ
@Former Member posted:This is devastating. Just stunning how quickly the Taliban retook Kabul. The US have handled this appallingly too.
Just shows they weren't defeated, just biding their time!
I have no words Velvet the despair of the Afghanistan people does not even bear thinking about....the imbecile that is Raab and his 40 grand a week holiday, was he buying the fecking island?
Stamer reckons we should embrace B Liars legacy and he wonders why he's not popular 
Like you, I can't forgive him for Assange, Savile and let's not forget Jean Paul Menzes! The guy is a fraud, liar and a pretty sh*t politician!
Although I don't think he was ever meant to be, his one gaol is to destroy the Labour Party and socialism....
I like Dame
And that's just what's happening at Kabul airport! What's happening in the rest of the country?
@slimfern posted:Well the sh*t really hit the fan today....what a mess!
@Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:And that's just what's happening at Kabul airport! What's happening in the rest of the country?
Yes And Now itâs just another breeding ground for terrorists of all persuasion
He doesn't know it either cos he never wrote it.
Is democracy working? The US and UK are fecked. And humiliated and untrustworthy.
Try exporting that again.
Just feckin resign starting with Wallace and Raab.
@velvet donkey posted:Try exporting that again.
Just feckin resign starting with Wallace and Raab.
But who would you replace them with ?
They're all as bad as each other.........and I wouldn't want Labour to take the reins with Starmer at the helm
@velvet donkey posted:He doesn't know it either cos he never wrote it.
Is democracy working? The US and UK are fecked. And humiliated and untrustworthy.
By fecked I mean domestic dissaray. Is this the country I was brought up in? No.
I know our problems are yet to come. Insular is not good. Soft power - I might laugh my head off at that tonight going to sleep.
Liz Truss and Ian fecking Botham. You give in right there.
I thought the deadline for getting out of Afghanistan was the 31st August......so why is the FINAL FLIGHT apparently leaving today, the 28th? And what happened to the earlier statement that the evacuation would go on to the LAST MINUTE?
@Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:I thought the deadline for getting out of Afghanistan was the 31st August......so why is the FINAL FLIGHT apparently leaving today, the 28th? And what happened to the earlier statement that the evacuation would go on to the LAST MINUTE?
I wondered exactly the same EFFT âĶ
@Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:I thought the deadline for getting out of Afghanistan was the 31st August......so why is the FINAL FLIGHT apparently leaving today, the 28th? And what happened to the earlier statement that the evacuation would go on to the LAST MINUTE?
The airfield is run by the Americans, so I would presume they're limited in what "slots" are available to them as the US starts to dismantle facilities. Also; the MOD said yesterday that the UK's ability to process any more evacuations was "extremely reduced and additional numbers will be limited" - I don't think they explicitly connected that to the terrorist attack, but it does seem likely.
As for previous statements: all I'll say is that one of my biggest peeves of the last decade or so has been politicians making promises that it's not actually within their power to guarantee delivery on - i.e. they're entirely dependent on others playing ball, and the whole "promise" is merely an act of faith...
@Eugene's Lair posted:The airfield is run by the Americans, so I would presume they're limited in what "slots" are available to them as the US starts to dismantle facilities. Also; the MOD said yesterday that the UK's ability to process any more evacuations was "extremely reduced and additional numbers will be limited" - I don't think they explicitly connected that to the terrorist attack, but it does seem likely.
As for previous statements: all I'll say is that one of my biggest peeves of the last decade or so has been politicians making promises that it's not actually within their power to guarantee delivery on - i.e. they're entirely dependent on others playing ball, and the whole "promise" is merely an act of faith...
I'm thinking that the terrorist attacks are quite relevant to their decisions...as they should be imo.
Logistics take time, so it would also make sense that civilian evacuations would need to stop somewhat prior to the deadline.
Yes, all members of the same family, apparently!
@Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing posted:Yes, all members of the same family, apparently!
Yes , very sad , if itâs correct EFFT
@Baz posted:Looks like the latest US strikes have killed several civilians
It wasn't a US strike...they were anti missile trying to stop the 4 missiles heading for Kabul airport, launched by one of the extreme Afghan tribes...possibly Isis? ... intended to kill as many US military as they could.
Definitely unfortunate that they exploded where they did.......either way the missiles were to cause damage & death wherever they landed 
@slimfern posted:It wasn't a US strike...they were anti missile trying to stop the 4 missiles heading for Kabul airport, launched by one of the extreme Afghan tribes...possibly Isis? ... intended to kill as many US military as they could.
Definitely unfortunate that they exploded where they did.......either way the missiles were to cause damage & death wherever they landed
I heard âĶvia the news channelsâĶthat it was a drone strike , aimed at a supposed suicide bomber SlimâĶ..
@Baz posted:I heard âĶvia the news channelsâĶthat it was a drone strike , aimed at a supposed suicide bomber SlimâĶ..
That's what I understand too, in a separate action to the anti-missile operation.
@Baz posted:I heard âĶvia the news channelsâĶthat it was a drone strike , aimed at a supposed suicide bomber SlimâĶ..
I heard that the drone strike took out 2 high ranking Isis soldiers in a vehicle.. one a planner
I did also see the report regarding the life loss but thought that was the anti missile incident
@slimfern posted:I heard that the drone strike took out 2 high ranking Isis soldiers in a vehicle.. one a planner
I did also see the report regarding the life loss but thought that was the anti missile incident
You maybe right Slim âĶâĶ.As always in situations like these there always seems confusion âĶ.whatever , it is tragic
@velvet donkey posted:
Select committee today on BBC Parliament. This'll be a study in obfuscation and denial.
2 - 3pm. Then 6.
Unmissable.
@velvet donkey posted:We or I watched 9/11 live with inside George Bush. That was good. I think he's more able than Biden as of 01/09/21.
I watched it too Velvet âĶ.it was really interesting âĶ..and I agreeâĶ.
