Way to go ! That must be an unprecedented statement by C5 ....I guess the complaints and fall in viewing/posting figures etc. are finally starting to drive the message home Thanks Mrs H  

On the other hand ....judging by the other Friday night news , maybe not  

so in the space of 1 hour 8mins over 12,000 votes were cast in favour of Hellen?

No: it would have been considerably more than that.

It's impossible to give exact figures based on the information given here (we'd need to know the actual numbers of votes cast, not the differences between HMs, and also the "split" figures when voting was frozen.

However, here's my attempt at a "back of an envelope" calculation:

In that 1hr 8mins, Ashleigh gained 55,303 votes with respect to Christopher's position, while Helen gained 67,821 votes wrt Christopher's position. However to take these figures as a measurement of the votes cast means assuming that Christopher didn't gain any votes at all during that time, which obviously wouldn't be the case. The total number of votes cast for both girls in that time would therefore be considerably more.

What I would like to know is what the splits were: i.e. at what point Helen overtook Ashleigh: my guess is after voting was restarted after Ash's eviction, but before Christopher's. Ash voters would have had considerable time to switch to Helen, but there wouldn't have been much time for Christopher fans to switch to Ashleigh. (Again, I'm making a big assumption that those fan bases would have switched anyway, but I think it's a reasonable ballpark assumption...)

I think that's a fair assumption Eugene ....it's what people on FB were saying they were going to do .....although I still don't think they've answered all the favouritism shown to HeLen from day 1

Thanks for that Mrs H 

How interesting that there was a vote surge for Helen during the final show.

And thanks Eugene for your vote-switching / remaining time theory, which makes sense 

Exactly Baz, especially the final week shenanigans 

Turns out you can make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. 

and yet.... they'll still be accused of fixing things. 

This is quite simply BS. Pauline was told by Iris that she was granting a HM a pass to the final before she made her selection:

That's all very well and good but there is no mistaking the favouritism shown to Helen through the editing and similarly that many other HM's (notably Chris) were given a very rough ride.

Exactly ....

Yup! The only HMs that she didn't know EXACTLY what they were. Getting were M ark and Matthew. A reward and a punishment was all she was told for them, but was told to pick someone for a pass to the final.

That is my memory of events too, you would have thought C5  would have made notes...incompetent twits.

Me too. Although my description of C5 would be a little more laden with invective than yours. 

"Pauline has decided your fate ,she has given you a pass to the final"

That's the poshest insult I've ever heard Xochi   

Why, thank you. 

That's a lot of info to suddenly reveal.

Hmmm

It's a lot of information, and in particular it's a lot of information to reveal apparently unsolicited...

However, what is most noticable about it is how much of that information is incomplete or actually wrong, and how many of the most important questions are still not properly addressed...

I doubt anyone's all that bothered about this, but I was sitting in a cafe this evening with time to kill so I tried to improve on my previous "back of an envelope" calculation:

As I said previously, there isn't enough information here to get exact figures, but we can get at least some idea of the HMs' respective vote counts with respect to last-placed Pav ("wrt Pav").

Let's start by assuming Pav didn't gain any votes at all during the 68 minutes the polls were open for during the live broadcast. The number of votes that the other HMs gained wrt Pav during that time would then be:

Chris: 1,229

Ash: 14,041

Christopher: 21,025

Ashleigh: 76,328

Helen: 88,846

(Remember that the lines for Chris, Ash and Christopher didn't remain open for the full 68 minutes.)

To get the exact number of votes cast for each HM, we'd have to know how many votes Pav got in that time, and add that figure to each of the values above. So if, for example, Pav gained 1000 votes during the live show, Helen's total during the same period would have been 89,846.

We can also say that the total number of votes cast for each HM (over the whole Final vote) for each HM wrt Pav are as follows:

Chris: 14,594

Ash: 37, 702

Christopher: 51,005

Ashleigh: 126,823

Helen: 131,454

Again, to know the exact figures we'd have to know Pav's final total. So if, for example, Pav finished with 10,000 votes then Helen's total would have been 141,454.

These figures may sound very low, but Helen apparently said she was told afterwards that her voting figures were in the order of a few hundred thousand, so this appears to be in the right ballpark.

It is however perhaps worth remembering that when Brian Dowling won BB2, he reputedly polled a total of 4,231,660 votes. How times have changed...

So the figure given by Emma on the night of 1000 between them wasn't accurate.

Although I've heard the "1000 votes" figure bandied around, I don't remember Emma saying it: I do remember her saying there was a 1.2% difference, though.

I suspect the "1000" figure came from some misreporting/bad maths: consider this Telemix article, which I meant to comment on at the time but forgot to do so:

http://tellymix.co.uk/reality-...-ashleigh-coyle.html

"In her exit press interviews yesterday, Helen Wood revealed that she had been told around 100,000 votes had been cast for her to win the show and the £100,000 prize money.

Her and Ashleigh will split by just 1.2% of the vote, which suggests that the pair were separated by just around 1,000 or so actual votes."

If you stop and think about it for a moment. the maths here literally doesn't add up. If Helen got 100,000 votes, then a 1.2% split would mean Ashleigh got around 97,600 votes (2400 votes difference): or puting it another way a 100,000/99,000 vote split would mean a 0.5% difference.

OK:

CS's post has just reminded me that it was claimed on BOTS that there was a 1.2% difference between the final vote counts for Helen and Ashleigh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B...014_(UK)#cite_note-4

https://uk.celebrity.yahoo.com...8861.html?.tsrc=lgwn

If we take that as being correct, we've therefore got enough info to work out the total number of votes for each HM in the Final:

Helen: 195,265

Ashleigh: 190,634

Christopher: 114,816

Ash: 101,513

Chris: 78,405

Pav: 63,811

(744,444 votes in total)

In practise, of course, that 1.2% will be an approximation, so there will be a fair margin of error in the above figures.

Thanks Eugene 

Wow you're like a statistician!  

C5 have reworded their statement...

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/statement

Statement

I haven't gone through the new wording of the statement with a fine tooth comb, but there are two main changes.

Firstly, they've added a new section 9 detailing the voting after Christopher's eviction. I'll make a separate post covering this.

Secondly, they've reworded section 10 (now section 11). The new wording removes the previous incorrect implication that Pauline did not know she was selecting Helen for a free pass.

It would be fascinating to see exactly how voting panned out during the finale show including the exact figures at each “freeze”.

It does look to have been an absolute voting frenzy for both girls – at the start of the broadcast Ashleigh was 20.000 votes ahead of Christopher – by the time vote lines closed for the last time the gap was 75,000 (albeit with a final short voting window).

The theory that Ash fans had potentially longer to vote for Helen than Christopher fans had to vote for Ashleigh, following their respective evictions, makes sense and “could” have made the difference. Personally, i spent around 30% on voting of what my return on a bet for Ashleigh winning would have been. For those that had taken long prices on Helen, and generous prices right into the final week; once she’s made the final 3, I think you would be voting non stop…

So: Helen gained 3437 votes on Ashleigh after Christopher was evicted.
Working back, we can now say that the position when voting closed for the final 3 was:
Helen: 147,921 (36.13%)
Asleigh: 146,727 (35.83%)
Christopher: 114,816 (28.04%)

A few things come out of this:
(1) Christopher was doing a lot better at the final split than the previous C5 statement implied.

(2) Helen was ahead at the final split, but only just. Referring back to my previous posts about the claimed "1000 vote difference", this may be where it comes from: Helen was only 1194 votes ahead with less than 9 minutes to go...

(3) There were 91,251 votes cast in that last 8 mins 40 secs. That's huge in the context of the final voting this year: it's almost as many as Ash received in total, and represents nearly a quarter of the total number of votes cast for Helen and Ashleigh in total...

Way ahead of you: please see my previous post regarding the final split.

It would be difficult to calculate the other splits accurately without more information, though. In the past I've used a sort of "count back" system where you take the %age votes for the HMs at a particular split and assume they were relatively the same at the previous split. That's risky in this case, however, because it doesn't look like the voting %ages remained consistent: Helen appears to have had increasing support throughout the evening...

Your last comment is very siginificant. The voting after Christopher's eviction does indeed appear to have been a frenzy. I'm trying to remain impartial about this, but I still think this C5 statement has (for them) potentially opened a huge can of worms. It doesn't prove - or even imply - an actual betting scam, but it does encourage the notion that the final flurry of voting was betting-led...

Now there's a surprise 

I do find it interesting , that despite all the calls of FIX in previous years ( especially after Aaron won) , this is the first year I can remember them coming out and making such a detailed statement .....something just doesn't smell right to me

Just read the updates. Almost 100.000 votes cast in the final 8 minutes of voting!

That's some voting  

If we are to take 100.000 votes for Helen as an accurate overall figure it means 47% were cast during that short final voting window.Although a much lower % if using Eugene's calculation.

The last series of Big Brother UK was the least watched series to date.

The run, which lasted for 72 days and ended last Friday night, averaged a total of 1.58 million viewers every night on Channel 5.

It was down almost 300,000 viewers on the average for the 2013 series, the current most watched series on Channel 5.

And the run was down 60,000 viewers on the previous low in 2012, which went up against the London Olympics, although this year’s show did have to contend with the World Cup at some points.

Big Brother was blighted from the get go with complaints and controversies, with telly watchdog Ofcom receiving nearly 3,000 across the 3 month long show.400 complaints alone have been made about the final earlier this month, which saw Helen Wood controversially beat Ashleigh Coyle to victory.

The ‘fix’ claims even forced Channel 5 to release voting stats to prove that Helen had really won.

In an 800 word statement released yesterday, the channel also responded to criticisms over keeping Helen in the house despite her warnings and for giving her a pass to the final on Day One.

C5 concluded: “The Big Brother voting system remains independently verified and Big Brother is satisfied that the outcome of Big Brother 2014 was an accurate reflection of the public’s decisions.”

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There is a post on DS and they have broke down the numbers, and I think CH5 have put themselves in more trouble  .I will go and find the post.

Westbrew post

As far as the maths go based on channel 5 figures.

Helen apparently won by 1.2% on the final vote count.
According to the channel 5 statement this 1.2% is equal to 4631 votes.
Based on this the combined total of Helen and Ashleigh votes was 385915.
You get this figure by dividing 4631 by 1.2 and then multiplying by 100.

You can then figure out the total votes for Helen and Ashleigh.
Ashleigh's total votes would be (385915-4631) divided by 2 which is 190642.
Helen's total votes would be 190642 + 4631 which is 195373.

This gives Ashleigh 49.4% of the total vote. 190642 divided by 385915 and multiplied by 100.

And it gives Helen 50.6% of the total vote. 195373 divided by 385915 and multiplied by 100.

And finally 50.6 minus 49.4 gives you the 1.2% that channel 5 say was the winning margin.

But having done all that I still am perplexed as to how or why the voting pattern changed so dramatically during the final.

Erin: Westbrew's methodology is the same as I used further up. Furthermore, once you know the total votes for Asleigh and Helen, you can work backwards and calculate the voting figures for the other 4 HMs.