i think it has been mentioned that josie is from quite an abusive background..........i believe something to do with her parents and grandmother.......josie herself made some reference to it to corin the other night  saying something like 'i'm not ready to be on the end of a shotgun yet'.........

I don't think I can bear another minute of the Josie and JJ show. They have absolutely destroyed this years BB for me. I can't bear the sight of them now. They deserve each other.

Cologne the op was asking what we would 'rather' have. Like I said, I would prefer neither, as I assume would be the same for anyone. I really am outta here

The OP is about an apalling remark made by Josie, all I'm saying is, she does not do women any favours. It should be neither, unacceptable. End of.

No one could defend that comment and I hope they don't show it on the HL, as it is innapropriate.

I hope she merely meant a big row, instead of silence.

I, too, would prefer neither, but can we stop blaming victims of this, including those with the mindset that it's normal behaviour?

Who the hell would think it was normal??!

From Josie's comment, I suspect she might.

Apart from that, far too many people.

I am wondering if it is my comment that has been misunderstood.
What I meant was is with emotional abuse, and controlling behaviour, often the victim thinks it is the norm and that she is just being sensitive.
I am speaking from a personal perspective - you know you are unhappy but you think you should be grateful for what you have,

Exactly, every day brings something new with Josie. I still can't figure out if she is as dumb and clueless as her "B/F" says she is or is she playing a very clever game.

I wasn't meaning you, Isadora.

Some people grow up seeing this, and this this is their lot in life.
Mum and Dad had a 'turbulent' relationship, therefore it's normal.
Not all think that, obviously, but it's sad that many do.

Isadora  personally I'm only upset by Josie's horrible comment, nobody else.

I think that is spot on.

I understand what you mean. If you've grown up in an abusive household or have been with a succession of abusive men who manipulate you into thinking you should be grateful, then it's no surprise that until they get the help they need, some people would think it's acceptable. (And again, this is just stuff that I've experienced, researched and discussed with people who have been affected, am in no way trying to put a psychologist or counselling hat on cos I'm neither )

Indeed! My Dad was never physically abusive but he kept my mum in her place. My sister married a carbon copy ............it took her 22 years to get out of it. Thankfully she's now very happily married to a lovely guy.

I think i saw my friends, parents relationships and somehow realised that there was another way ............thank goodness.

Josie is still a young woman ........to say that she's doing women a disservice in there is quite ridiculous - she simply was saying what she knows. I hope through this experience she finds the right way for her. Madness to be condemning her for saying that IMO.

Not yet.  
But judging by your perceptive posts, relating to these issues - you'll make the grade. 

I did.