Is Momentum like Militant Tendency was back in the day?
Is Momentum like Militant Tendency was back in the day?
That’s the way I read it Moonie ...
Unless someone else knows different 
Well you read it wrong then!
If you want to talk about bullies, at least consider that thousands have been bullied out of stable accommodation into homelessness by the Tories. You really do have to have a perverse set of values if you decide momentum are worse than that.
Momentum have moved with the times. They are post-Thatcher/post Blair. They address the issues of the failure of Thatcherism and Blairism. I don't want to rant on about the failures of Blairism and Thatcherism but if you're going to rationalise that a few hotheads are more 'evil' than things like illegal wars or sanctions that have literally sent people to their early deaths, then go ahead, feel smug and easy in that but know this, you are morally bankrupt!
You are part of the problem not the solution as to why this country is amoral shithole for hundreds of thousands.
Typical, you can’t win an argument so you descend into character assassination.
If I am part of the problem you and your like will never be part of the solution.
Sorry, this was not character assassination. EITHER YOU WILL ENABLE THIS GOVERNMENT IN THEIR CLASS WAR or you won't! You are their enablers! Therefore an agent of the elite against the majority of the working class and especially the least advantaged of the working class!
It's not character assassination, it's a fair assessment of your callous Tory indifference to the suffering of those less fortunately than you! You litterally don't care about people being made homeless and sanctioned women turning to the sex trade.
I haven't 'won' your version of the argument. You've won the argument in your view because you are ok with people being made homeless, single mothers having no money to feed their kids, the chronically ill being sanctioned and those sanctions leading their untimely deaths.
Sorry, but you really do have blood on your hands! Tory voters are the amoral lauding themselves as being most virtuous.
Carnelian , with the greatest respect , you are talking claptrap ! You have no idea what anyone here votes/voted ....or what papers they read ...if any ! Personally I’ve not bought any newspaper for years 
As for blood on people’s hands etc . you are intelligent person , but can you not see that hateful diatribes like this are totally counterproductive! All it serves to do is convince politically moderate thinkers that they are right about the likes of the far left and Momentum .
If you truly want to sort out the problems you detail above then the country doesn’t need a class war , it needs consensus not division ! And in talking about the last 40 years you simply convince me that what your brand of labour wants to do is take us back to the chaos of the 1970s .....a chaos that was so profound that it eventually landed us with Thatcher ...who , before you start ...I detested ! So, how about you take a deep breath , temper your political argument, and instead tell us constructively how you would go about sorting out the very real problems the country has .
Of course the country doesn't need class war but it is has it with the Tories in charge. Landlord over tenant, boss over employee, rich over poor every time.
If you are waging class war like the Tories are, then it isn't going to help your class war agenda to admit it.
The subject of 'blood on your hands' is relevant. You might not like my rhetoric and think it extreme or 'unhelpful', but the reality is this government does have blood on its hands. You are free to think me as a counter productive extremist but the reality is people are dying and people are suffering due to this government. People made homeless by IDS's reforms are dying well before their time.
Do you know that the average age of homeless woman's death is 42 years old? This government has made thousands homeless due to the dogma of universal credit. That is more than 30 years before the average mortality for a woman.
Imagine an Isis terrorist shooting a 42 year old woman dead. Yet that is exactly the same as what the Tories are doing with British women. Isalamic state are murdering less UK citizens before their time than the Tory government.
That is murder by this government. Why don't you care about this?
On a softer note, I remember the 70s as a young child, my family was very poor but got better off throughout the decade. In those days people could aspire now they hit a brick wall of ridiculous rents and property prices. Young people could afford to buy their own homes and weren't living with their parents till their 30s. The ladder's been pulled up since 1979.
The average person was getting richer then, not like today when they're getting poorer. Ten years of stagnating wages.
It's all right for the baby boomers, they benefited from a fairer society in the 60s and 70s but now kick away the ladder. We had industry then. Yes, there are fewer strikes but that's because Thatcher decimated employers with large workforces. Give me 1979 and all the union disruption of that era and I'd take it over this plutocracy in a heartbeat.
) said that once you resort to hate, and name calling, you have already lost the argument ! What the country needs is for our politicians (and their supporters )to stop with the fanatical rhetoric and start looking for ways to talk to each other! Until that happens ....be they far right , or pseudo socialists ....this country will continue to go down the pan.....and the losers will be the very people that need it most !
Ever.
