Why?quote:Originally posted by jonono:
Can you direct me to a place for juveniles?
You're not going to steal them away in the middle of the night are you?? You're not going to steal them away in the middle of the night are you??
GOODGUY 
quote:Originally posted by jonono:
I didn't realise the Big Brother forum was the place for maturity and sense. Can you direct me to a place for juveniles?
Nothing to stop you opening your own threads like this one http://gagajoyjoy.com/eve/foru...2461/m/538108242/p/3 instead of disrupting every thread I post, anyone looking in might get the impression you're a bunch of saddos who get their kicks by such idiotic behavior.
quote:Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:quote:Originally posted by Suzi-Q:quote:Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:quote:Originally posted by Daniel J*:quote:Originally posted by jonono:quote:Originally posted by Daniel J*:
Surely the Marilyn Munroe thingy is a Big Question too! I think we need a Comrade Exclusive on that at some point.
it's like you read my mind. or are a member of the same clique as me!
Crikey, we're even making the same clique comments!
No !!!
It'd be ridiculous to say you're a clique, you just happen to hijack every thread were adults are trying to have a conversation. Opened up a thread mocking this one with the majority of posters being the same small minded FMs.
All a coincidence I'm sure.
So, anyone who doesn't agree with you is small minded? How very open minded of you.
There's disagreeing and there's being juvenile.
Oh please. I have never engaged you in discussion before (at least not in your current guise) but I have read many of your posts. One thing I have observed is your reluctance to admit that others may have a differing opinion and can back their opinion up. You then resort to telling them to go away or putting them on ignore.
Or calling them juvenile. Ho hum.
quote:Originally posted by Penny Gabrielwise:Why?quote:Originally posted by jonono:
Can you direct me to a place for juveniles?
Let's face it. That flounce thread was merely a whinge and all it's done is make you a lightning rod for mockery, Mr Ogilvy. And you're making it even worse by trying to patronise and insult a bunch of unrelated people.
quote:Originally posted by The Singing Ringing Tree:
GOODGUY
good guy quote:Originally posted by The Singing Ringing Tree:
GOODGUY
yayquote:Originally posted by jonono:quote:Originally posted by The Singing Ringing Tree:
GOODGUY
quote:Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:quote:Originally posted by jonono:
I didn't realise the Big Brother forum was the place for maturity and sense. Can you direct me to a place for juveniles?
Nothing to stop you opening your own threads like this one http://gagajoyjoy.com/eve/foru...2461/m/538108242/p/3 instead of disrupting every thread I post, anyone looking in might get the impression you're a bunch of saddos who get their kicks by such idiotic behavior.
Am I not allowed in your threads?? *trembles bottom lip* I may have to .... ..... flounce
quote:Originally posted by Suzi-Q:quote:Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:quote:Originally posted by Suzi-Q:quote:Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:quote:Originally posted by Daniel J*:quote:Originally posted by jonono:quote:Originally posted by Daniel J*:
Surely the Marilyn Munroe thingy is a Big Question too! I think we need a Comrade Exclusive on that at some point.
it's like you read my mind. or are a member of the same clique as me!
Crikey, we're even making the same clique comments!
No !!!
It'd be ridiculous to say you're a clique, you just happen to hijack every thread were adults are trying to have a conversation. Opened up a thread mocking this one with the majority of posters being the same small minded FMs.
All a coincidence I'm sure.
So, anyone who doesn't agree with you is small minded? How very open minded of you.
There's disagreeing and there's being juvenile.
Oh please. I have never engaged you in discussion before (at least not in your current guise) but I have read many of your posts. One thing I have observed is your reluctance to admit that others may have a differing opinion and can back their opinion up. You then resort to telling them to go away or putting them on ignore.
Or calling them juvenile. Ho hum.
I have no problem with differing opinions, in fact it can make for good conversation. I do not ridicule others for having different beliefs, that would be juvenile in my book.
Anyway...
Who set the Reichstag fire in your opinion ? Marinus van der Lubbe or the SS ?
Jesus...theres 9 pages already!!
well ok IF THIS FORUM wants a SERIOUS debate around the 11/9 attacks I am up for it,
and believe me I have read loads and watched loads of videos about it both by those who see something "sinister" AND by those who believe the "party" line, and have come to my own conclusions based on what I have seen and read,
and in short my conclusion is.....there is a HELL of a lot MORE to it than we have been told and questions NEED answering,
well ok IF THIS FORUM wants a SERIOUS debate around the 11/9 attacks I am up for it,
and believe me I have read loads and watched loads of videos about it both by those who see something "sinister" AND by those who believe the "party" line, and have come to my own conclusions based on what I have seen and read,
and in short my conclusion is.....there is a HELL of a lot MORE to it than we have been told and questions NEED answering,
quote:Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:quote:Originally posted by Suzi-Q:quote:Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:quote:Originally posted by Suzi-Q:quote:Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:quote:Originally posted by Daniel J*:quote:Originally posted by jonono:quote:Originally posted by Daniel J*:
Surely the Marilyn Munroe thingy is a Big Question too! I think we need a Comrade Exclusive on that at some point.
it's like you read my mind. or are a member of the same clique as me!
Crikey, we're even making the same clique comments!
No !!!
It'd be ridiculous to say you're a clique, you just happen to hijack every thread were adults are trying to have a conversation. Opened up a thread mocking this one with the majority of posters being the same small minded FMs.
All a coincidence I'm sure.
So, anyone who doesn't agree with you is small minded? How very open minded of you.
There's disagreeing and there's being juvenile.
Oh please. I have never engaged you in discussion before (at least not in your current guise) but I have read many of your posts. One thing I have observed is your reluctance to admit that others may have a differing opinion and can back their opinion up. You then resort to telling them to go away or putting them on ignore.
Or calling them juvenile. Ho hum.
I have no problem with differing opinions, in fact it can make for good conversation. I do not ridicule others for having different beliefs, that would be juvenile in my book.
Anyway...
Who set the Reichstag fire in your opinion ? Marinus van der Lubbe or the SS ?
Honestly, I don't have an opinion on the Reichstag fire. It happened over 60 years ago and really has no bearing on my life (as I wasn't even born then).
So, go back on your MSN and berate me for being juvenile and ignorant. I will continue to post when, where and how I feel.
what's the chances? the tonnes of bombs that were dropped and gunfire shot that shattered berlin, or a secretive nazi with a match??
oh and OP you DO seem to come in for a lot of "stick" on this forum, and while I might not agree with everything you say, I will say this is a public forum and you have as much right as anyone else to post so long as you dont go out of your way to deliberately offend people or mount personal attacks,
"I may not agree with what you say, but I would fight to the death for your right to say it",
cant remember who said that but he was spot on
"I may not agree with what you say, but I would fight to the death for your right to say it",
cant remember who said that but he was spot on
Voltaire?
quote:Originally posted by Daniel J*:
Voltaire?
thats the chap....well I will take your word for it, coulda been Mikey Mouse for all I know
I did nearly wet myself when I saw the person who was upset at being called a conspiracist started a conspiracy theory thread tonight.
quote:Originally posted by Suzi-Q:quote:Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:quote:Originally posted by Suzi-Q:quote:Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:quote:Originally posted by Suzi-Q:quote:Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:quote:Originally posted by Daniel J*:quote:Originally posted by jonono:quote:Originally posted by Daniel J*:
Surely the Marilyn Munroe thingy is a Big Question too! I think we need a Comrade Exclusive on that at some point.
it's like you read my mind. or are a member of the same clique as me!
Crikey, we're even making the same clique comments!
No !!!
It'd be ridiculous to say you're a clique, you just happen to hijack every thread were adults are trying to have a conversation. Opened up a thread mocking this one with the majority of posters being the same small minded FMs.
All a coincidence I'm sure.
So, anyone who doesn't agree with you is small minded? How very open minded of you.
There's disagreeing and there's being juvenile.
Oh please. I have never engaged you in discussion before (at least not in your current guise) but I have read many of your posts. One thing I have observed is your reluctance to admit that others may have a differing opinion and can back their opinion up. You then resort to telling them to go away or putting them on ignore.
Or calling them juvenile. Ho hum.
I have no problem with differing opinions, in fact it can make for good conversation. I do not ridicule others for having different beliefs, that would be juvenile in my book.
Anyway...
Who set the Reichstag fire in your opinion ? Marinus van der Lubbe or the SS ?
Honestly, I don't have an opinion on the Reichstag fire. It happened over 60 years ago and really has no bearing on my life (as I wasn't even born then).
So, go back on your MSN and berate me for being juvenile and ignorant. I will continue to post when, where and how I feel.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"
Oh and.. me too.
Nice little article here on the âclinically insaneâ theorists (their words you understand, not mine ) - 4 pages but well worth a read:
Rolling Stone Article
) - 4 pages but well worth a read:Rolling Stone Article
Old Voltaire quite liked to mock, you know. Very scathing sometimes. 
yes but how can you 'remember' an 'alleged' event??
OH for Christ sake..give it a rest!
quote:Originally posted by Daniel J*:
Old Voltaire quite liked to mock, you know. Very scathing sometimes.
but a bit of a naughty boy when he got hold of a packet of swan vestas.
Yesterdays 4.00 at Newmarket has been overlooked.
quote:Originally posted by old hippy guy:
oh and OP you DO seem to come in for a lot of "stick" on this forum, and while I might not agree with everything you say, I will say this is a public forum and you have as much right as anyone else to post so long as you dont go out of your way to deliberately offend people or mount personal attacks,
"I may not agree with what you say, but I would fight to the death for your right to say it",
cant remember who said that but he was spot on
Thank you OHG, I love that quote myself.
So is there any particular aspect of 911 that troubles you wrt the official story ?
little know facts about 11/9, at least 6 of the terrorists on the planes are still alive,
military pilots have gone on record saying that they could not have carried out the manouvers in FIGHTER jet that some of these terrorist pilots would have had to have done in order to carry out these attacks,
there is an ever growing group of academics, who are demanding answers to what happened on that day,
there are multiple eye witnesses who not only claim that there were explosions in the north tower BEFORE the impact of the plane but some of them recieved serious injuries from these "bombs" IN THE BASEMENT of the tower,
google "opperation northwood"
bay of tonkin (Vietnam)
did you know that the USA spent almost 3 times the amount of money trying to find out if that monica woman sucked clintons doodah than they did on the inquiry into the world WORST EVER terrorist attacks?
military pilots have gone on record saying that they could not have carried out the manouvers in FIGHTER jet that some of these terrorist pilots would have had to have done in order to carry out these attacks,
there is an ever growing group of academics, who are demanding answers to what happened on that day,
there are multiple eye witnesses who not only claim that there were explosions in the north tower BEFORE the impact of the plane but some of them recieved serious injuries from these "bombs" IN THE BASEMENT of the tower,
google "opperation northwood"
bay of tonkin (Vietnam)
did you know that the USA spent almost 3 times the amount of money trying to find out if that monica woman sucked clintons doodah than they did on the inquiry into the world WORST EVER terrorist attacks?
quote:Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:quote:Originally posted by old hippy guy:
oh and OP you DO seem to come in for a lot of "stick" on this forum, and while I might not agree with everything you say, I will say this is a public forum and you have as much right as anyone else to post so long as you dont go out of your way to deliberately offend people or mount personal attacks,
"I may not agree with what you say, but I would fight to the death for your right to say it",
cant remember who said that but he was spot on
Thank you OHG, I love that quote myself.
So is there any particular aspect of 911 that troubles you wrt the official story ?
haha only ALL of it
quote:Originally posted by old hippy guy:
little know facts about 11/9, at least 6 of the terrorists on the planes are still alive,
military pilots have gone on record saying that they could not have carried out the manouvers in FIGHTER jet that some of these terrorist pilots would have had to have done in order to carry out these attacks,
there is an ever growing group of academics, who are demanding answers to what happened on that day,
there are multiple eye witnesses who not only claim that there were explosions in the north tower BEFORE the impact of the plane but some of them recieved serious injuries from these "bombs" IN THE BASEMENT of the tower,
google "opperation northwood"
bay of tonkin (Vietnam)
did you know that the USA spent almost 3 times the amount of money trying to find out if that monica woman sucked clintons doodah than they did on the inquiry into the world WORST EVER terrorist attacks?
AND that Bush tried to stop the inqury, and when he failed he did everything he could to delay it, and it only went ahead when HIS man was appointed to head it,
and that the inqury refused to include building 7?
ya know the OTHER steel framed building to collapse from fire on the same day?
the same day that 3 steel framed buildings collapsed from fire,
do you know how many steel framed building had collapsed from fire BEFORE 11/9?
anywhare in the world?
exactly......NONE then 3 do on the same day in the same city within hours of each other,
anyone good at working out odds?
quote:Originally posted by old hippy guy:quote:Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:quote:Originally posted by old hippy guy:
oh and OP you DO seem to come in for a lot of "stick" on this forum, and while I might not agree with everything you say, I will say this is a public forum and you have as much right as anyone else to post so long as you dont go out of your way to deliberately offend people or mount personal attacks,
"I may not agree with what you say, but I would fight to the death for your right to say it",
cant remember who said that but he was spot on
Thank you OHG, I love that quote myself.
So is there any particular aspect of 911 that troubles you wrt the official story ?
haha only ALL of it
For sure.
quote:Originally posted by old hippy guy:
little know facts about 11/9, at least 6 of the terrorists on the planes are still alive,
military pilots have gone on record saying that they could not have carried out the manouvers in FIGHTER jet that some of these terrorist pilots would have had to have done in order to carry out these attacks,
there is an ever growing group of academics, who are demanding answers to what happened on that day,
there are multiple eye witnesses who not only claim that there were explosions in the north tower BEFORE the impact of the plane but some of them recieved serious injuries from these "bombs" IN THE BASEMENT of the tower,
google "opperation northwood"
bay of tonkin (Vietnam)
did you know that the USA spent almost 3 times the amount of money trying to find out if that monica woman sucked clintons doodah than they did on the inquiry into the world WORST EVER terrorist attacks?
Great points.
With such events it's always interesting imo to ask 'who gains', well it certainly done Bushs regime no harm did it ? No sooner had the plane struck the buildings but he was discussing an 'enabling act' effectively suspending the constitution, much similar to Hitlers response to the 'terrorist' attack on the Reichstag.
Have you seen Terrorstorm btw ?
http://video.google.com/google...389947&hl=en&fs=true
hITLER burned down the Reichstag blamed it on the Jews as an excuse to remove their civil rights and come down hard on em,
opperation Northwood was an ACTUAL CIA plan to either blow up an AMERICAN plane or plant a bomb on an AMERICAN ship and blame it on Cuba as an excuse to invade them, this is a FACT, JFK wouldnt have it though,
the Americans ATTACKED one of their OWN ships and used that as an excuse to get involved in Vietnam, another FACT,
there are more,
Pearl Harbour is very suspicious as well,
and people say they wouldnt have been responsible for 11/9, as a pretext for the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan?,
so that they now control one of the worlds largest oil producing countries just as the worlds oil supply is running out,
have a look at how much money has been made by some of the USs top military equipment manufacurers and oil supplier/producers SINCE 11/9
NOW, I aint saying they DID do it, but I AM saying, dont tell me they WOULDNT DO IT,
opperation Northwood was an ACTUAL CIA plan to either blow up an AMERICAN plane or plant a bomb on an AMERICAN ship and blame it on Cuba as an excuse to invade them, this is a FACT, JFK wouldnt have it though,
the Americans ATTACKED one of their OWN ships and used that as an excuse to get involved in Vietnam, another FACT,
there are more,
Pearl Harbour is very suspicious as well,
and people say they wouldnt have been responsible for 11/9, as a pretext for the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan?,
so that they now control one of the worlds largest oil producing countries just as the worlds oil supply is running out,
have a look at how much money has been made by some of the USs top military equipment manufacurers and oil supplier/producers SINCE 11/9
NOW, I aint saying they DID do it, but I AM saying, dont tell me they WOULDNT DO IT,
quote:Originally posted by RaggyâĨDoll:
For someone who flounced for a day you start some provocative threads...
My thoughts exactly .......what a come back!! And next he'll be asking why peeps disagree so vociferously etc. etc.
Anyone who happens to dissagree is part of a clique you know.
History tells us what men of power are capable of, yet it seems the majority believe the contrary. That corruption and ill deeds to cease or maitain power is a ridiculous notion.
Edit: "cease" should have read "seize"
Edit: "cease" should have read "seize"
quote:Originally posted by Soozy woo:quote:Originally posted by RaggyâĨDoll:
For someone who flounced for a day you start some provocative threads...
My thoughts exactly .......what a come back!! And next he'll be asking why peeps disagree so vociferously etc. etc.
Anyone who happens to dissagree is part of a clique you know.
quote:Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:
History tells us what men of power are capable of yet it seems the majority believe the contrary. That corruption and ill deeds to cease or maitain power is a ridiculous notion.
its sad but true the masses believe what they are TOLD to believe, even more so today that at anytime in history,
how many people actualy question what the news papers or tv news TELL them, course, WE have a FREE press our media doesnt lie,
ya average joe likes his opinion handed to him in a quick soundbite, so that he can get on with the important things like getting his/her daily dose of soap opera, some beer n a bit of footie on his wide screen,
but "they" dont manipulate us at all,
quick test,
"drug dealer"...low life scumbag should be burned at the stake,
bloke selling alcohol in a pub, decent guy just earning a living providing adults with a
quote:Originally posted by old hippy guy:quote:Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:
History tells us what men of power are capable of yet it seems the majority believe the contrary. That corruption and ill deeds to cease or maitain power is a ridiculous notion.
its sad but true the masses believe what they are TOLD to believe, even more so today that at anytime in history,
how many people actualy question what the news papers or tv news TELL them, course, WE have a FREE press our media doesnt lie,
ya average joe likes his opinion handed to him in a quick soundbite, so that he can get on with the important things like getting his/her daily dose of soap opera, some beer n a bit of footie on his wide screen,
but "they" dont manipulate us at all,
quick test,
"drug dealer"...low life scumbag should be burned at the stake,
bloke selling alcohol in a pub, decent guy just earning a living providing adults with adeadly drugbit of refreshment that they choose to take,
Agree 100% and it scares bejeesus out of me, a population so easily manipulated will accept anything, and (I'm paraphrasing someone but can't recall who) the amount of tyranny we will live under is directly proportional to that we will accept.
quote:Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:quote:Originally posted by old hippy guy:quote:Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:
History tells us what men of power are capable of yet it seems the majority believe the contrary. That corruption and ill deeds to cease or maitain power is a ridiculous notion.
its sad but true the masses believe what they are TOLD to believe, even more so today that at anytime in history,
how many people actualy question what the news papers or tv news TELL them, course, WE have a FREE press our media doesnt lie,
ya average joe likes his opinion handed to him in a quick soundbite, so that he can get on with the important things like getting his/her daily dose of soap opera, some beer n a bit of footie on his wide screen,
but "they" dont manipulate us at all,
quick test,
"drug dealer"...low life scumbag should be burned at the stake,
bloke selling alcohol in a pub, decent guy just earning a living providing adults with adeadly drugbit of refreshment that they choose to take,
Agree 100% and it scares bejeesus out of me, a population so easily manipulated will accept anything, and (I'm paraphrasing someone but can't recall who) the amount of tyranny we will live under is directly proportional to that we will accept.
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
Benjamin Franklin
a great man AND an American hehe
quote:Originally posted by old hippy guy:quote:Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:quote:Originally posted by old hippy guy:quote:Originally posted by Comrade Ogilvy:
History tells us what men of power are capable of yet it seems the majority believe the contrary. That corruption and ill deeds to cease or maitain power is a ridiculous notion.
its sad but true the masses believe what they are TOLD to believe, even more so today that at anytime in history,
how many people actualy question what the news papers or tv news TELL them, course, WE have a FREE press our media doesnt lie,
ya average joe likes his opinion handed to him in a quick soundbite, so that he can get on with the important things like getting his/her daily dose of soap opera, some beer n a bit of footie on his wide screen,
but "they" dont manipulate us at all,
quick test,
"drug dealer"...low life scumbag should be burned at the stake,
bloke selling alcohol in a pub, decent guy just earning a living providing adults with adeadly drugbit of refreshment that they choose to take,
Agree 100% and it scares bejeesus out of me, a population so easily manipulated will accept anything, and (I'm paraphrasing someone but can't recall who) the amount of tyranny we will live under is directly proportional to that we will accept.
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
Benjamin Franklin
a great man AND an American hehe
Clearly a crazy conspiracy theorist.
Here's another tin foil hat wearer, Dwight D. Eisenhower.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY
and another.. John F. Kennedy, talking about secret societies... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces
cheers, book marked em will watch em later I am a bit at the mo
at the mo
Most people don't have access to all the facts and so it is not an option to challenge the given explanation for an event. It's not mere gullibility. In fact, there's a lot to be be said for the principle of parsimony when seeking to explain something; William of Occam, if you guys are hot for famous people and quotations.
Furthermore, it's all very well for investigative journalists and people like that to question the received explanations by actually involving themselves but what does it achieve for people to sit at home with a web browser and convince themselves of an alternative, usually patchy and sinister, version of events?
Tapping one's nose, hinting at cabals and intrigue, and looking pityingly at the gullible masses is probably quite satisfying, especially if one is a bit insecure or inclined to paranoia. Being suspicious of a particular event is perhaps reasonable but people who follow these things avidly, jumping from one to another, start to look like they have a state of mind, not a questioning mind.
It's one thing allowing for the possibility of a different chain of events to the generally accepted one. It's quite another to assume that the accepted chain of events have been manipulated. The Reichstag may well have been burned by the Nazis to cause a crisis. I bet most people probably don't know about the event at all, most people wouldn't care even if they did, and we probably have no way of knowing one way or the other now. Moreover, it doesn't actually matter.
Furthermore, it's all very well for investigative journalists and people like that to question the received explanations by actually involving themselves but what does it achieve for people to sit at home with a web browser and convince themselves of an alternative, usually patchy and sinister, version of events?
Tapping one's nose, hinting at cabals and intrigue, and looking pityingly at the gullible masses is probably quite satisfying, especially if one is a bit insecure or inclined to paranoia. Being suspicious of a particular event is perhaps reasonable but people who follow these things avidly, jumping from one to another, start to look like they have a state of mind, not a questioning mind.
It's one thing allowing for the possibility of a different chain of events to the generally accepted one. It's quite another to assume that the accepted chain of events have been manipulated. The Reichstag may well have been burned by the Nazis to cause a crisis. I bet most people probably don't know about the event at all, most people wouldn't care even if they did, and we probably have no way of knowing one way or the other now. Moreover, it doesn't actually matter.