Carnelian posted:

Yogi19 posted:

IMO, insulting the electorate and calling them thick, is highly unlikely to be a vote winner.

If you really want people to vote Labour, you might consider changing tactics.

 

Sorry, I don't buy that at all.  Voters have a duty to gather as much facts as they can and process those facts before they vote.  I go on the Daily Mail website and read the comments of their readers and they will happily applaud a right wing perceive truth and red arrow the truth, because it doesn't match their prejudices.  

If voters are bone idle and lazy and are happy to be spoon fed propaganda by the popularist propaganda rags.  They deserve all the scorn coming to them.  The popularist right wing rags will tickle their useful idiots under the chin and defend their gullibility as a rational logical considered opinion.  The right wing rags will always defend their useful idiots.  You're right that useful idiots get offended whey their idiocy is exposed and would prefer to be flatted as coming to a conclusion through their own observation, but if you read a rag like the Sun, Mail, Star or Daily Mail, you're a useful idiot.

I made up my own mind re Brexit without the help of any biased reporting but with the benefit of hindsight garnered from my own reading of economic journals, social and economic history and current economics. I have a double first class honours in History with social and economic history and extensive study of the EU. My decisions are my own and I keep my decision on voting to myself. I may or may not agree with you but whichever way I go I certainly am  not thick....look at yourself before you throw insults at others eh?

Saint posted:

Labour - pro Europe = soft on Brexit issues (immigration)

 

Tory - anti-Europe = hard on Brexit issues (immigration)

 

Voters see terrorism and free movement as the same thing = Vote Tory

when theresa may was home sec..she did sod all about immigration, if people took the time to look at her track record, they'd see she's actually as thick as pig sh!te, votes for wars, hates gays & got away with a conflict of interest regarding her husband profits from brexit..as he has first hand knowledge of whats going on.

The MSM arent addressing the FACT that HSBC has literally gave tories laundered money, the FACT that 30 tory mps are under investigation for fraud & the FACT that the CPS were due to release their findings of the fraud the day BEFORE the election but due to pressure from No10 those findings will now not be released until June 12th

yaaaay

vote tory

pirate1111 posted:

when theresa may was home sec..she did sod all about immigration, if people took the time to look at her track record, they'd see she's actually as thick as pig sh!te, votes for wars, hates gays & got away with a conflict of interest regarding her husband profits from brexit..as he has first hand knowledge of whats going on.

The MSM arent addressing the FACT that HSBC has literally gave tories laundered money, the FACT that 30 tory mps are under investigation for fraud & the FACT that the CPS were due to release their findings of the fraud the day BEFORE the election but due to pressure from No10 those findings will now not be released until June 12th

yaaaay

vote tory

and more to come out Pirate, the BBC had 30.000 tweets thrown at them earlier today for not reporting any of it...disgusting in a democracy 

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

pirate1111 posted:

when theresa may was home sec..she did sod all about immigration, if people took the time to look at her track record, they'd see she's actually as thick as pig sh!te, votes for wars, hates gays & got away with a conflict of interest regarding her husband profits from brexit..as he has first hand knowledge of whats going on.

The MSM arent addressing the FACT that HSBC has literally gave tories laundered money, the FACT that 30 tory mps are under investigation for fraud & the FACT that the CPS were due to release their findings of the fraud the day BEFORE the election but due to pressure from No10 those findings will now not be released until June 12th

yaaaay

vote tory

 

 

and more to come out Pirate, the BBC had 30.000 tweets thrown at them earlier today for not reporting any of it...disgusting in a democracy 

yeah..but seeing as most MSM is owned by tax avoiders, its in medias interest NOT to report about these, in my opinion, well in anybody normal opinions, disgraceful abuses of office.

jeez, 40yrs ago, they'd have been slung out of office! 

it goes to show how much sway the media has, how many backhanders are given and how stupid some are to believe the information theyre hand fed

pirate1111 posted:

yeah..but seeing as most MSM is owned by tax avoiders, its in medias interest NOT to report about these, in my opinion, well in anybody normal opinions, disgraceful abuses of office.

jeez, 40yrs ago, they'd have been slung out of office! 

it goes to show how much sway the media has, how many backhanders are given and how stupid some are to believe the information theyre hand fed

and now a poll is involved...polls are owned by the rich and meant to influence voters. I saw some of the YouGov questions...it was disgraceful. I can't believe people fall for all this crap and ignore the failures of this government  and the NHS which is falling apart at the seams and ripe for privatising fully.  

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

pirate1111 posted:

yeah..but seeing as most MSM is owned by tax avoiders, its in medias interest NOT to report about these, in my opinion, well in anybody normal opinions, disgraceful abuses of office.

jeez, 40yrs ago, they'd have been slung out of office! 

it goes to show how much sway the media has, how many backhanders are given and how stupid some are to believe the information theyre hand fed

 

and now a poll is involved...polls are owned by the rich and meant to influence voters. I saw some of the YouGov questions...it was disgraceful. I can't believe people fall for all this crap and ignore the failures of this government  and the NHS which is falling apart at the seams and ripe for privatising fully.  

Yep, I've never been asked to contribute 'in the street' as it were, and even if I was I'd refuse 

So making a mockery of any poll that's out there, but some peeps still believe 

Kaytee posted:

Carnelian posted:

Yogi19 posted:

IMO, insulting the electorate and calling them thick, is highly unlikely to be a vote winner.

If you really want people to vote Labour, you might consider changing tactics.

 

Sorry, I don't buy that at all.  Voters have a duty to gather as much facts as they can and process those facts before they vote.  I go on the Daily Mail website and read the comments of their readers and they will happily applaud a right wing perceive truth and red arrow the truth, because it doesn't match their prejudices.  

If voters are bone idle and lazy and are happy to be spoon fed propaganda by the popularist propaganda rags.  They deserve all the scorn coming to them.  The popularist right wing rags will tickle their useful idiots under the chin and defend their gullibility as a rational logical considered opinion.  The right wing rags will always defend their useful idiots.  You're right that useful idiots get offended whey their idiocy is exposed and would prefer to be flatted as coming to a conclusion through their own observation, but if you read a rag like the Sun, Mail, Star or Daily Mail, you're a useful idiot.

I made up my own mind re Brexit without the help of any biased reporting but with the benefit of hindsight garnered from my own reading of economic journals, social and economic history and current economics. I have a double first class honours in History with social and economic history and extensive study of the EU. My decisions are my own and I keep my decision on voting to myself. I may or may not agree with you but whichever way I go I certainly am  not thick....look at yourself before you throw insults at others eh?

Well that's fine, but millions were persuaded by lies.  £350 million to the NHS being an outright lie concocted by the cabal of Brexiters including some Labour people.  The key person who promoted that lie is now a senior cabinet minister!  I know of people across the political spectrum who voted Brexit and actually I can see the left wing case for Brexit, but it doesn't alter the fact that a survey was undertaken and most people believed that £350m would be available for the NHS - ironic coming from politicians who've previously favoured privatisation of the NHS.

Additionally, if Brexit turns out to be a car crash - which I suspect it will - who will you blame?  Yourself for voting for it, or Europe?  If it turns out to be fantastic success you can say "I told you so" to people like me.  For the record, I thought the UK should join the Euro, I was wrong on that.  I admit I'm capable of making the wrong call.

So you need to stop jerking your knee, I don't think all Tories or Brexiters are 'thick' but I really do have a problem with idiots who will applaud a lie if it fits their prejudice.  

I also have a problem with those who think May's grandstanding is some sort of Churchillian statement.  We need a PM who will be constructive and concilitory.  I do think Corbyn would be a far better negotiator than a belligerent idiot who evokes WW2  at every turn and plays to a gallery of right wing tabloid readers.

  The EU holds the best cards.  The fact is, if the UK's negotiating position is "we will leave, good or bad deal" then why offer a good deal?  So many are delusional. Theresa May can't 'handbag' the EU into a favourable deal for the UK because her hand is crap.  Thatcher got her deal because the EU wanted the UK to stay within the EU.  If you're leaving regardless, what's in it for the EU?  They're going to offer a crap deal and no matter how belligerent May is, they won't care.  They don't have to answer to the UK Tory press.  So are we supposed to go to war with Europe over this?

This probably won't cut any ice with you, but our media is run by foreign billionaires who (in my opinion) don't give a two f***s about the welfare of the British working and middle classes as long as their personal agenda is served.

Imagine saying to your boss, "I'm leaving this shit firm no matter what you say" and then asking for leaving pay off.  That's May's position in a nutshell.  An empty hand but full of xenophobic bullshit and vitriol.

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

pirate1111 posted:

yeah..but seeing as most MSM is owned by tax avoiders, its in medias interest NOT to report about these, in my opinion, well in anybody normal opinions, disgraceful abuses of office.

jeez, 40yrs ago, they'd have been slung out of office! 

it goes to show how much sway the media has, how many backhanders are given and how stupid some are to believe the information theyre hand fed

 

and now a poll is involved...polls are owned by the rich and meant to influence voters. I saw some of the YouGov questions...it was disgraceful. I can't believe people fall for all this crap and ignore the failures of this government  and the NHS which is falling apart at the seams and ripe for privatising fully.  

yougov was started by a tory & is owned by a tory..if they ever put labour as winning, its because theyre trying to seem impartial

Carnelian posted:

Kaytee posted:

Carnelian posted:

Yogi19 posted:

IMO, insulting the electorate and calling them thick, is highly unlikely to be a vote winner.

If you really want people to vote Labour, you might consider changing tactics.

 

Sorry, I don't buy that at all.  Voters have a duty to gather as much facts as they can and process those facts before they vote.  I go on the Daily Mail website and read the comments of their readers and they will happily applaud a right wing perceive truth and red arrow the truth, because it doesn't match their prejudices.  

If voters are bone idle and lazy and are happy to be spoon fed propaganda by the popularist propaganda rags.  They deserve all the scorn coming to them.  The popularist right wing rags will tickle their useful idiots under the chin and defend their gullibility as a rational logical considered opinion.  The right wing rags will always defend their useful idiots.  You're right that useful idiots get offended whey their idiocy is exposed and would prefer to be flatted as coming to a conclusion through their own observation, but if you read a rag like the Sun, Mail, Star or Daily Mail, you're a useful idiot.

I made up my own mind re Brexit without the help of any biased reporting but with the benefit of hindsight garnered from my own reading of economic journals, social and economic history and current economics. I have a double first class honours in History with social and economic history and extensive study of the EU. My decisions are my own and I keep my decision on voting to myself. I may or may not agree with you but whichever way I go I certainly am  not thick....look at yourself before you throw insults at others eh?

Well that's fine, but millions were persuaded by lies.  £350 million to the NHS being an outright lie concocted by the cabal of Brexiters including some Labour people.  The key person who promoted that lie is now a senior cabinet minister!  I know of people across the political spectrum who voted Brexit and actually I can see the left wing case for Brexit, but it doesn't alter the fact that a survey was undertaken and most people believed that £350m would be available for the NHS - ironic coming from politicians who've previously favoured privatisation of the NHS.

 

Additionally, if Brexit turns out to be a car crash - which I suspect it will - who will you blame?  Yourself for voting for it, or Europe?  If it turns out to be fantastic success you can say "I told you so" to people like me.  For the record, I thought the UK should join the Euro, I was wrong on that.  I admit I'm capable of making the wrong call.

 

So you need to stop jerking your knee, I don't think all Tories or Brexiters are 'thick' but I really do have a problem with idiots who will applaud a lie if it fits their prejudice.  

I also have a problem with those who think May's grandstanding is some sort of Churchillian statement.  We need a PM who will be constructive and concilitory.  I do think Corbyn would be a far better negotiator than a belligerent idiot who evokes WW2  at every turn and plays to a gallery of right wing tabloid readers.

 

  The EU holds the best cards.  The fact is, if the UK's negotiating position is "we will leave, good or bad deal" then why offer a good deal?  So many are delusional. Theresa May can't 'handbag' the EU into a favourable deal for the UK because her hand is crap.  Thatcher got her deal because the EU wanted the UK to stay within the EU.  If you're leaving regardless, what's in it for the EU?  They're going to offer a crap deal and no matter how belligerent May is, they won't care.  They don't have to answer to the UK Tory press.  So are we supposed to go to war with Europe over this?

This probably won't cut any ice with you, but our media is run by foreign billionaires who (in my opinion) don't give a two f***s about the welfare of the British working and middle classes as long as their personal agenda is served.

 

 

So you need to stop jerking your knee, I don't think all Tories or Brexiters are 'thick' but I really do have a problem with idiots who will applaud a lie if it fits their prejudice.  

and you got it in one

The best thing about ^ is the UKIP losses.

we know all that Pirate  The public don't because the the full welt of the Tory backed media and  total control of the BBC, journalist from the BBC and now openly tweeting negative remarks to slander Corby whilst hiding the news ..Only honest thing that comes out of the news and papers is the weather forecast, sad times fro the UK , control the media, control, the people. 

Carnelian posted:

Imagine saying to your boss, "I'm leaving this shit firm no matter what you say" and then asking for leaving pay off.  That's May's position in a nutshell.  An empty hand but full of xenophobic bullshit and vitriol.

I did that and got the pay off because I knew where the skeletons were buried

Kaytee posted:

Carnelian posted:

Imagine saying to your boss, "I'm leaving this shit firm no matter what you say" and then asking for leaving pay off.  That's May's position in a nutshell.  An empty hand but full of xenophobic bullshit and vitriol.

I did that and got the pay off because I knew where the skeletons were buried

Can I just say, I could totally weep for this country and the way it's going   

These local elections have been totally based on the Euro vote and 'she' knew exactly what she was doing. 

I hate the policies of this Government and all they stand for and just wish others could see what they are doing 

I totally agree Sprout........and as for this "I take nothing for granted" nonsense. She takes it all for granted, that's why she's doing this and also to deflect from the impending finances scandal.

FFS! she can't resist it can she    I've just seen the news tonight......strong and stable....again!    

She doesn't want a debate.....cos she can't debate!  It's my way or the highway! 

Carnellian, Dame Ann, Pirate and Sprout are 100% right. The rest of you are compensating and should be ashamed of yourselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm6Id3Qt8Wk

Duchess of Alba posted:

Carnellian, Dame Ann, Pirate and Sprout are 100% right. The rest of you are compensating and should be ashamed of yourselves.

 

Everyone is entitled to their own viewpoint Duchess ....from mine it's you who is *compensating*  .....but as far as I'm concerned no one should be ashamed of themselves ..... and I don't understand that mentality at all I'm afraid .

Duchess of Alba posted:

Carnellian, Dame Ann, Pirate and Sprout are 100% right. The rest of you are compensating and should be ashamed of yourselves.

 

You are entitled to your opinion, even though I strongly disagree with it.

Such a shame, it seems you can't afford the same courtesy to those who don't share your political opinions.

Duchess of Alba posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm6Id3Qt8Wk

 

Anyone experienced in tea making, would tell you that you need to remove the teabag before the tea becomes stewed and bitter.

Sprout posted:

Can I just say, I could totally weep for this country and the way it's going   

 

These local elections have been totally based on the Euro vote and 'she' knew exactly what she was doing. 

 

I hate the policies of this Government and all they stand for and just wish others could see what they are doing 

 

This is exactly how i feel Sprouty  

Jen-Star posted:

Sprout posted:

Can I just say, I could totally weep for this country and the way it's going   

 

These local elections have been totally based on the Euro vote and 'she' knew exactly what she was doing. 

 

I hate the policies of this Government and all they stand for and just wish others could see what they are doing 

 

This is exactly how i feel Sprouty  

Me too!

Yogi19 posted:

Duchess of Alba posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm6Id3Qt8Wk

 

Anyone experienced in tea making, would tell you that you need to remove the teabag before the tea becomes stewed and bitter.

Perhaps for the Little Englander tea varieties, but not for the peppermint tea in this example. 

Duchess of Alba posted:

Yogi19 posted:

Duchess of Alba posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm6Id3Qt8Wk

 

Anyone experienced in tea making, would tell you that you need to remove the teabag before the tea becomes stewed and bitter.

Perhaps for the Little Englander tea varieties, but not for the peppermint tea in this example. 

Apologies, I don't drink herbal tea so I hadn't realised you leave the teabag in the cup when you drink it.

BTW, I'm a Scottish unionist who voted 'remain' in the EU referendum, so your Little Englander barb was aimed at the wrong target.

If you are only going to post insults, I'll leave you to get on with it.

strong and stable  through the eyes of Jonathon Pie, it's satire, some sweary words but they accurate as to what damage the Tories have done over the last seven years whilst heaping tax cuts on the rich...shame on them. 

Duchess of Alba posted:

Yogi19 posted:

Duchess of Alba posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm6Id3Qt8Wk

 

Anyone experienced in tea making, would tell you that you need to remove the teabag before the tea becomes stewed and bitter.

Perhaps for the Little Englander tea varieties, but not for the peppermint tea in this example. 

Do Little Englanders drink different tea from everyone else ....or is that yet another sweeping Left Wing  generalisation 

Baz posted:

Duchess of Alba posted:

Yogi19 posted:

Duchess of Alba posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm6Id3Qt8Wk

 

Anyone experienced in tea making, would tell you that you need to remove the teabag before the tea becomes stewed and bitter.

Perhaps for the Little Englander tea varieties, but not for the peppermint tea in this example. 

Do Little Englanders drink different tea from everyone else ....or is that yet another sweeping Left Wing  generalisation 

Not that I am aware of. I liked your post, because it amused me, almost as much as you amused yourself.

Duchess of Alba posted:

Baz posted:

Duchess of Alba posted:

Yogi19 posted:

Duchess of Alba posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm6Id3Qt8Wk

 

Anyone experienced in tea making, would tell you that you need to remove the teabag before the tea becomes stewed and bitter.

Perhaps for the Little Englander tea varieties, but not for the peppermint tea in this example. 

Do Little Englanders drink different tea from everyone else ....or is that yet another sweeping Left Wing  generalisation 

Not that I am aware of. I liked your post, because it amused me, almost as much as you amused yourself.

 

Always happy to oblige Duchess 

Hmmm, no case to answer regarding the Battle Bus, but one still outstanding......

Sprout posted:

Hmmm, no case to answer regarding the Battle Bus, but one still outstanding......

administrative error 30 times from one woman's bank account...remember that when you fill your tax form in  wonder how they are going to explain 5 million of laundered money....swept under a blue rug 

Dame_Ann_Average posted:

Sprout posted:

Hmmm, no case to answer regarding the Battle Bus, but one still outstanding......

 

administrative error 30 times from one woman's bank account...remember that when you fill your tax form in  wonder how they are going to explain 5 million of laundered money....swept under a blue rug 

Just gonna leave this here 

This shows the way these two politicians have VOTED on a range of issues over their careers. Not what they've said about it to television cameras, not what newspapers have told you. This is the way they've voted when it's come down to it.

Kinda says it all, doesn't it Jen, although in some ways I'm not against ID cards.  And I never thought I'd say that  

Sprout posted:

Kinda says it all, doesn't it Jen, although in some ways I'm not against ID cards.  And I never thought I'd say that  

I'm dead against them, they are a gateway to chipping people imo