Camels are okay, but I usually stick to the Marlboro Reds

Hahah! I've gone a bit menthol myself  

Right I think I may climb the wooden hill now, thanks for the company and laughs

G'night, sleep well! Away to beat myself over the heid with something to try and knock myself out  

I'm the same age and have the same problems, Nuts.

If I sit down for longer than 10-15 minutes, I seem to seize up.

Gawd I am so glad I don't qualify for this thread!

Thank you forum peeps...    I have been feeling old recently, & now I am feeling all spring chicken like!

Though...  at 41, time is playing the cruelest of tricks on me...

I can no longer lie in bed til lunchtime!     If I lie in bed too long I seize up...  my aches & when I get out of bed I have to walk like a zombie for ten minutes before I can move properly

...and I am in peri-menopausal denial

I like to think of it as being sensitive to warm weather

Ahar! Ditty I too was peri-menopausal,a few missed periods at age 43,blood tests showed  I  was in the early stages etc. I managed a couple of years before taking HRT,I took it for 6 years,bloody great. I'm 56 this year and still have the odd hot flush but they are not so bad.HRT does delay it, it doesn't "cure" it.It helps your bones etc ,yes the  side effects increase slightly when on it,however they recommend 6 years max now.I think years ago folk were talking it for 10 years plus.

Though I  have to say it was mainly the hot flushes, which by the way are body flushes not just your face! I experienced. I didn't have aches and pains or mood swings(I think).

gawd if I missed a period I would be seriously crapping it!!

So would MrD!!

It would be sods law..   one out the house & off to uni & then me get preggers with another one!

That'll be why buttercup's been running at you  

fricken' men all they get is droopy ball sacks!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

I'm so gonna use that line on MrD !!

(I will probably then find him bending over in the bedroom trying inspect his ball bag droopage)

I think he loves me really

Hahah! Never short of anything to play keepieuppie with then  

Aye eventually they can chuck each one  over their shoulders!

Bit like our boobies.

Hahah!  ! Something to keep yer neck warm  

Just read back on this. You could have a point there Xochi. I know I'm not sleeping well but I put this down to my pillow. I need to change it again  I've got so many pillows tucked away in space saver bags it's unreal and I still can't find one to satisfy me 

Have you tried the memory foam ones, or the 'egg-box' ergonomic type?

I have a memory foam pillow not the really mega expensive one but not a cheapo .................I love it. I still have sleepless nights but that's hormonal - my pillow is lovely. i really notice the difference if I'm away from home.

Yes, I've got a memory foam one but TBH I don't think it helps much

Do you think the egg box one will help Fluffs? 

Same here Sooz 

I haven't tried it myself. I've always intended to, but what I've read about it leaves me with a good impression and I have high expectations of it.

Soozy, have you tries sleeping with a magnetic underblanket and matching pad to go under your pillow?

It is supposed to help reduce the heat that disturbs your sleep.

I might have to check it out I think 

My sleep pattern is shot to sh**.  Not tried any of the 'specialist' pillows and have always liked a firm pillow up until now.  Recently bought two of the softest, fluffiest, springiest pillows and I practically pass out immediately on contact   Trouble is, I can't wake up in the mornings

How are those creams (mentioned above) meant to work?

Do you just rub 'em on anywhere and let them work their magic

Nuts   You should go and see the doc.  It may have nothing to do with meno stuff;  perhaps you need some kind of fish oil to supple up your joints?

I bought the memory pillows and they are marvellous.The Waterbase Fibrefill Pillows are said to be very good.

No!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you have a link? I'm such an eau naturelle type person but ....................I'd give that a go although SURELY TO GOD it's gotta be over soon .........it must be four years + now. How long does it go on?

Cosi, You rub a pea size amount into fatty tissue, (bum or boobs for most, just about anywhere for me LOL,) twice a day

I read about  Black Cohosh tablets and people who take them say that they have got their life back,worth a try. 

Ooooooh I was doing inner arm - I'm off to smother my boobies before bed. I have a tiny drop left - will send off for another pot tomorrow - I shall try again - on reflection there was some improvemrnt - I guess I was wanting a miracle!

Any idea what they are Cosmo? Even if I just used them at weekends..... and used a different one through the week when I have to get up for work. 

I think I'm gonna have to pay a visit to the docs  I bought two from QVC last year, sposed to be super duper and I still can't get any respite 

I've tried every pillow, and every trick in the book to try and sleep  The only time I manage a good 6-7 hours is if I have a drink, and I try to only drink once a week or at most twice, like tonight because of a stressful day  I've never really had any trouble with the menopause, sailed through it and was done and dusted at 47...except for the sleep thing and it drives me bloody mad.   

Try Quiet Life Tablets.Its a natural sleep aid and I have read reviews that say it's the best.

Thank Erin ...my next drastic step was buying a mallet 

*edited to say, just googled and they are really inexpensive and if they work ...wonderful* 

Leave it out of the way of L though  

I hope they do, nothing worse than broken /Lack of sleep.

PMLS...she would love it, 'yea mam, I'll give you a hand........bang' 

I reckon if I get 15-18 hours over six days I'm lucky Erin