so sad to read this ...........  what a waste of young lives

Rule number 1 - know your enemy
This is is like Vietnam all over again


RIP lads

So tragic, God Bless each and every one of them and their Families

That's so sad but I'm afraid to say predictable

huh?  They are trying to train?

I imagine it's to train these people to become soldiers so they can take over defence of the country and the UK can pull out.

ah right.

We were watching 'em train a bunch of disinterested souls last week. Both agreed that this would happen. Policy rethink required. You can't impose western democracy (sic) on tribesmen.

No you can't crossy.  But that's the whole problem with what's going on in the East.  The West stamping their authority and beliefs without understanding or accepting the cultures already there.

But I guess that's for another day

After the Halloween debate, the crap popular culture, and the poisonous foodstuffs we have imposed from the US of A, I cannot do anything but agree Temps.

sad day

Well, quite.

We didn't just arrive at that ourselves, it took hundreds of years and it's embedded in our heads and our social fabric.  Even with a democratic government, it still doesn't mean anything else like equality, human rights, and the rule of law necessarily follows.

They're training the police force over there, as well as helping the army.  The murderer was a police recruit, I think.Like Iraq, once internal security breaks down, it's very hard to get it back.  Bizarrely, I think Afghanistan was most stable and most liberal under their brief period of communist rule.

Yes! they were. No prizes for guessing who trained up the Taliban and colleagues  (prop. Osama Bin laden) to undermine the system.

As a woman, I think imposing democracy on tribesmen is the only way things will improve at all.

We are still working on the men here, but at least we have some voice.

I dread watching the news at the moment.

Women had a voice over there at one point.  They held senior positions in places like universities and took an active role in public life.  I don't suppose Soviet rule was popular even amongst the general population but I'm sure it was better than the internecine warfare among the tribes afterwards and the subsequent Taliban leadership.  That's one thing state communism has in its favour, it tends to treat men and women in the same way.

Terribly sad

Indeed.

Communism with a vote is fine by me!