Sprout, how is it condoning the crime to employ someone who has served their sentence?

He isn't out, pending an appeal. We operate a system whereby people get half remission, ie serve half of the sentence given, and he has served half of his sentence and that's why he has been released.

I thought he was appealing Yogi.  I stand to be corrected if I'm wrong though 

He does want to lodge an appeal, but that isn't why he's been released.

Oh right. 

Idiot - keep up

 

(I have no idea what's going on but shhhhh)

I'll just go back in me corner then 

What's Ched short for, anyway?

 

Cheddar??

That's not how it works: it's not remission (although I'm not exactly sure what you mean by that). If the sentence is more than 12 months, a prisoner spends half his sentence in prison, and the second half in the community "on license": if the conditions of that license are broken, it's back to jail. Only when that license period has completed can it truly be said that he's "served his time".

https://www.gov.uk/types-of-pr...fixed-length-of-time

Also remember that Evans will remain on the violent  sex offender's register indefinitely...

Chez? 

Remission may be a term only used in Scottish prisons, my apologies. On remission would be the equivalent of on licence.

When I said 'serve half their sentence', I was referring to serving half their sentence 'in prison'. I obviously didn't make that clear.

Chedwyn.
Evans the player Bach!
........ Probably.

Chedwyn.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ched_Evans

I'm very glad to hear that Oldham have seen "sense" and I don't believe for a second that they changed their minds due to the ridiculous threats to their families etc....... more likely the threats from their sponsors. 

 

Playing professional football is not like being a plumber or a taxi driver or all the other professions used to justify why he deserves a second chance. Yes, he deserves to be able to work, just not in a high profile profession that allows young people to idolise him. 

 

I work with young boys, I see on a daily basis how impressionable they can be, and for every young boy with decent, upstanding parents who can provide the balance they need against all the destructive images, casual sexism and poor role models they encounter through the media, there are other young boys who don't, and who need to see people making a stand against this sort of thing. I want to live in a country where people at least try and collectively give young people the right messages. So Ched Scummy Evans can sod off and be an unknown plumber for all I care. 

 

The woman was drunk and stupidly made a choice to go back to a hotel with someone she doesn't know (who was subsequently found not guilty, presumably because the courts recognised that despite her poor decision, she presumably choose to do so at that point) ..... that does not mean she deserved to have some other random bloke walk in on them uninvited (by her) and join in....and two other scum bags (one who was related to the delightful Ched) watching the whole thing through the window. 

 

I worked with a young teenage girl a couple of years ago, who had gone into town with her friends and had been drinking quite a bit. She was led outside into a quiet side street by one man. He was kissing her etc and she was going along with it, and it eventually led to her reluctantly giving him oral sex right there in the street. Not something she would ever have done sober, but arguably her decision. They were then joined by a friend of the man and she was then pressurised into doing the same to him. She was young, drunk and didn't have the skills to get herself out of the situation. She was in a deserted street and she was worried about what would happen if she said no. She was 17 and the two men were in their late 20s. Maybe they didn't have the self awareness to realise how they were making her feel and how she was actually doing things against her wishes but was too scared to object (that's if I'm being generous), but they should have. They really should have! But they didn't care to think about it because they just wanted a cheap thrill. 

 

I just think we need to teach young men how women can feel in these situations and how careful they need to be about making sure something is truly consensual. 

 

Allowing this man to go back to playing football and potentially being a role model to young men AND women is just wrong in my opinion. Whatever people believe about it being or not being rape  (and I'm firmly a believer in the former) it was certainly the case that he took advantage of a vunerable woman and hasn't show a scrap of remorse. He should have realised that at the very very best he was on extremely dodgy legal ground.... but he didn't give a crap, he just wanted his bit of fun and to hell with everything else. 

 

If he had been released from prison, apologised for his behaviour, and used his position to show young people you can recover from making terrible mistakes as long as you learn from them and try and make things right, then I wouldn't have had a second thought about his right to return to his original club. 

 

 

Oh, and his girlfriend is a bloody idiot. I despair of the female gender sometimes, I really do. 

 

 

 

Congratulations to anyone who made it the whole way through all of that.  

 

 

 

I'm off to the Darnies to wallow in the nicer things in life.....

I don't believe there are too many footballers who are behaving like idols to young children. Maybe the scumbags who affront black and Jewish players should be chucked out too.

I made it ......and I agree Ducky  

There was a huge double page article in The Sunday Times. It took me ages to plough through it. It's quite an unusual case with a lot of grey areas. Obviously so, or it wouldn't have caused so much debate.

I don't think anyone comes out of it well. 

Those of us who followed the case from the begining didn't expect him to go down and those were unusual days as it seemed the more abuse he received the better he played.

I can only repeat that these youngsters have a different way of going on nowadays. Does anyone remember terms such as "courting" "chaperones" "halves of shandy" "gannin' ter the pitchaz" and so forth?

Logically I can understand the argument that he should be able to return to his career having served the custodial part of his sentence.I think it wouldn't do the club that signed him any good at all and would offend a fair number of their fans.

 

My problem with Evans is not that he is unrepentant or that he hasn't apologised,he can't really do that as he doesn't believe he has done anything wrong, but that he has refused to show any compassion at all towards his victim regarding the abuse and hounding she has endured at the hands of his supporters. I'm sure a form of words could have been found that would have enabled him to exert influence over the campaign to make her life as miserable as possible.

 

The fact that I find him to be an arrogant/opportunistic scum-bag is neither here or there.

And yes Cinds, the fact that his mealy mouthed apology came  when it did, speaks volumes.

His original appeal failed.

 

The case is now being reviewed to assess whether there would be grounds for a further appeal.

 

So , as yet, he is not appealing.

In all senses of the word.

  I keep thinking that.    I don't think anyone in the whole saga is...

I got thru it and I thought it was brilliant.. wish I could have put it like that myself 

Not only did I make it through it, I'm going to bloody applaud it 

 

I just heard on the radio that Gordon Taylor, PFA chairman, yesterday compared Ched Evans fight for justice and truth with that of the Hillsborough families fight for justice and truth  

Ducky, excellent comments above  

Applauds Ducky's post  

He's definitely not appealing, but he shouldn't be beyond redemption.

Did you know that site was set up by Ched's future father-in-law? I only discovered that after watching "The Last Leg" tonight. Both Josh Widdicombe and Alex Brooker were going on about how strange it was: they were basically making the same point that Victoria Coren Mitchell made on HIGNFY, which is that the best case scenario is that Evans - with his mates - paid for a hotel room with the intention of picking up a girl for sex, thus cheating on his girlfriend. As Brooker said, "If I'd even come close to doing that, my father-in-law would punch me in the face, he wouldn't set me up my own domain name."

I'd personally drive Ched Evans up to play for my team.

The victim has had to leave home and change her identity ,she's been "outed" etc on the net,vile threats etc.Shameful.Also on the other hand folk posting threats to the football club and their staff and families are just as bad.

 

I hate football,this doesn't make me change my mind about it.

Fair enough.

 

Just make sure you don't pick up any female hitch hikers .

he did wrong

he paid the price

however

i wouldnt want my step-sons cheering him on if he played for our team

After Saturday's toothless display against a team like Reading I think we could probably use him.

For League One or a League Two clubs, he is a quality quality footballer (I've seen him play on a number of occasions and he hasn't disappointed). He could be the difference when it comes to promotion/relegation for these clubs.

Clubs at these levels wouldn't have a chance of signing a 26yr old of his quality in normal circumstances. I hope my club sees sense and takes the chance. There's also the point that if he does prove his innocence and clear his name, the club who took that chance will all of a sudden have a proven goal scorer heading into his prime years that higher division clubs will be queuing up round the corner for with their cheque books out.

It's a no brainer for me.