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Eurgh!

 

Tomorrow I have to teach the passive voice to a multilingual group: Spanish, French, and Russian.

 

The trouble is, I've never been that great at understanding it myself. Or rather, the idea of trying to explain it is frustrating me. I hate explaining things.

 

Anywho. I get the general gist. For example:

 

Andy plays basketball - is the active voice at it's saying that the subject, Andy, is actively doing something.

 

Basketball is played by Andy - is the passive voice. Basketball is now the subject but it's not doing anything.

 

And that's as far as my explanations can go. They're multilingual so using technical terms isn't going to help. Do you think that would work as an example? Of course I can more examples, such as asking each student what sport they play, write it in the active voice and get them to change it to passive...

 

... wait a minute? Have I already just helped myself?

 

I tried doing some basic passive online tests, and didn't do very well

 

Can I test some of you, please? I'll write some active voice sentences and can you tell me what the passive is?

 

1) Juanita watches films.

 

2) Mildred ate the cake.

 

3) Inigo Montoya rescued the princess. 

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Originally Posted by Rawky-Roo:

Can I test some of you, please? I'll write some active voice sentences and can you tell me what the passive is?

 

1) Juanita watches films. Films are watched by Juanita

 

2) Mildred ate the cake. Cake is eaten by Mildred

 

3) Inigo Montoya rescued the princess.  The princess is rescued by Inigo Montaya

The subjects: Juanita, Mildred are doing something, (active)

The subjects: Films, Cake and the princess aren't doing anything, (passive)

Or at least that's how I understand it!

FM
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by Rawky-Roo:

Can I test some of you, please? I'll write some active voice sentences and can you tell me what the passive is?

 

1) Juanita watches films. Films are watched by Juanita

 

2) Mildred ate the cake. Cake is eaten by Mildred

 

3) Inigo Montoya rescued the princess.  The princess is rescued by Inigo Montaya

The subjects: Juanita, Mildred are doing something, (active)

The subjects: Films, Cake and the princess aren't doing anything, (passive)

Or at least that's how I understand it!

 

Yeah, that's what i figured they would be. But couldn't No 3 also be the Simple Past?

Rawky-Roo
Originally Posted by Rawky-Roo:
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by Rawky-Roo:

Can I test some of you, please? I'll write some active voice sentences and can you tell me what the passive is?

 

1) Juanita watches films. Films are watched by Juanita

 

2) Mildred ate the cake. Cake is eaten by Mildred

 

3) Inigo Montoya rescued the princess.  The princess is rescued by Inigo Montaya

The subjects: Juanita, Mildred are doing something, (active)

The subjects: Films, Cake and the princess aren't doing anything, (passive)

Or at least that's how I understand it!

 

Yeah, that's what i figured they would be. But couldn't No 3 also be the Simple Past?

It's happening now, not in the past, past would be was rescued. 

P.S. I'm not an English teacher!

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by Rawky-Roo:
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by Rawky-Roo:

Can I test some of you, please? I'll write some active voice sentences and can you tell me what the passive is?

 

1) Juanita watches films. Films are watched by Juanita

 

2) Mildred ate the cake. Cake is eaten by Mildred

 

3) Inigo Montoya rescued the princess.  The princess is rescued by Inigo Montaya

The subjects: Juanita, Mildred are doing something, (active)

The subjects: Films, Cake and the princess aren't doing anything, (passive)

Or at least that's how I understand it!

 

Yeah, that's what i figured they would be. But couldn't No 3 also be the Simple Past?

It's happening now, not in the past, past would be was rescued. 

 

Okay. It's 'was' and 'is' that's throwing me off sometimes. I have to cover both Past Simple Passive and Present Simple Passive, so either would work as long as it's used in the right context?

Rawky-Roo
Originally Posted by Kaffs:
Originally Posted by moonie:
Originally Posted by Kaffs:
Originally Posted by Soozy Woo:

The cake was eaten

The cake is eaten

The cake will be eaten

I've just had the best part of a packet of jaffa cakes.

 

I blame all this cake talk.

And you never passed em round

s'ok - it was a twin pack - still have some left  - dig in!

Why fankoo *grabs one*

Moonie
Originally Posted by Aimee:
Originally Posted by Kaffs:

       
Originally Posted by Soozy Woo:

The cake was eaten

The cake is eaten

The cake will be eaten

I've just had the best part of a packet of jaffa cakes.

 

I blame all this cake talk.


       


grabs a jaffa cake

oi you!       No wonder you get punched a lot.... 

Kaffs
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by Rawky-Roo: 

Okay. It's 'was' and 'is' that's throwing me off sometimes. I have to cover both Past Simple Passive and Present Simple Passive, so either would work as long as it's used in the right context?

Maybe add being to emphasise the present?

Oh and that could complicate things further re Mildred's eating cake! Past simple: ate, past principle: eaten

FM
Originally Posted by Kaffs:

Rawks... it's Sunday.. bugger off and stop melting my brain.  

 

Originally Posted by Kaffs:

My brain is melted by Rawky

 

Rawky melts my brain.

 

Originally Posted by Kaffs:
Originally Posted by Soozy Woo:

The cake was eaten

The cake is eaten

The cake will be eaten

I've just had the best part of a packet of jaffa cakes.

 

I blame all this cake talk.

Yogi19
Originally Posted by Rawky-Roo:

Eurgh!

 

Tomorrow I have to teach the passive voice to a multilingual group: Spanish, French, and Russian.

 

The trouble is, I've never been that great at understanding it myself. Or rather, the idea of trying to explain it is frustrating me. I hate explaining things.

 

Anywho. I get the general gist. For example:

 

Andy plays basketball - is the active voice at it's saying that the subject, Andy, is actively doing something.

 

Basketball is played by Andy - is the passive voice. Basketball is now the subject but it's not doing anything.

 

And that's as far as my explanations can go. They're multilingual so using technical terms isn't going to help. Do you think that would work as an example? Of course I can more examples, such as asking each student what sport they play, write it in the active voice and get them to change it to passive...

 

... wait a minute? Have I already just helped myself?

 

I tried doing some basic passive online tests, and didn't do very well

 

Can I test some of you, please? I'll write some active voice sentences and can you tell me what the passive is?

 

1) Juanita watches films.

 

2) Mildred ate the cake.

 

3) Inigo Montoya rescued the princess. 

Did not and no one saw me, so there.

jacksonb
Originally Posted by Rawky-Roo:
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by Rawky-Roo:
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by Rawky-Roo:

Can I test some of you, please? I'll write some active voice sentences and can you tell me what the passive is?

 

1) Juanita watches films. Films are watched by Juanita

 

2) Mildred ate the cake. Cake is eaten by Mildred

 

3) Inigo Montoya rescued the princess.  The princess is rescued by Inigo Montaya

The subjects: Juanita, Mildred are doing something, (active)

The subjects: Films, Cake and the princess aren't doing anything, (passive)

Or at least that's how I understand it!

 

Yeah, that's what i figured they would be. But couldn't No 3 also be the Simple Past?

It's happening now, not in the past, past would be was rescued. 

 

Okay. It's 'was' and 'is' that's throwing me off sometimes. I have to cover both Past Simple Passive and Present Simple Passive, so either would work as long as it's used in the right context?

Your example said 'Inigo Montoya rescued the princess.' Past tense, therefore it has to be 'The princess was rescued by Inigo Montaya.'

To be in the present tense your 'active' example would have to be 'Inigo Montoya rescues the princess. this then would allow the passive to be 'The princess IS rescued by Inigo Montaya'

It is the tense of the verb that determines things. The tense must be the same in both the active and passive forms.

 

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by Rawky-Roo:
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by Rawky-Roo:

Can I test some of you, please? I'll write some active voice sentences and can you tell me what the passive is?

 

1) Juanita watches films. Films are watched by Juanita

 

2) Mildred ate the cake. Cake is eaten by Mildred

 

3) Inigo Montoya rescued the princess.  The princess is rescued by Inigo Montaya

The subjects: Juanita, Mildred are doing something, (active)

The subjects: Films, Cake and the princess aren't doing anything, (passive)

Or at least that's how I understand it!

 

Yeah, that's what i figured they would be. But couldn't No 3 also be the Simple Past?

It's happening now, not in the past, past would be was rescued. 

P.S. I'm not an English teacher!

It's not happening now. RESCUED is the past tense of the verb TO RESCUe. If it was happening now the verb would be expressed as RESCUES or IS RESCUING.

Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing
Originally Posted by Extremely Fluffy Fluffy Thing:
Originally Posted by Roger the Alien:

When I taught English I just used to give them handouts...and think "worrever".

 

Aha! So we can blame the current generation's poor linguistic and grammatical skills on you then.

It was in Hong Kong, a 6 week job in between backpacking, back in my young day. I wasn't nearly as dedicated a teacher as Rawky is 

 

See... he was fine after all! 

FM

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