Not sure about the biggest disappointment Cologne , but he certainly hasn't lived up to the early promise IMO

Even t'Grauniad turned against him earlier in t'week!

No, and he's not the only government to not live up to what they say they'll do 

No, Tony Blair, or perhaps not, as I marked his card when he manufactured a face off with the unions over Clause 4.  A needless media event to show how tough 'tone' was! 

 

That said, a Labour leader who ended up kissing the arse of a right wing warmongering born again Christian moron like George Bush, takes some beating, even considering the existing low expectations!

There's always Thatcher.  Thatcher, 1979: "Where there is discord, may we bring harmony."

 

Where there is is harmony, may we bring discord

 

Would have been more accurate.

When they reach Office do any of them live up to expectations or what they said they'd deliver, no. Once in office they come to know there are others behind the scenes that have more power than them

He maybe the pres, but he can't make policy on his own, he is outnumbered  by republicans, who have an agenda to see him fail.

I agree. Although there is a Democrat majority in the House of Senate, there is a Republican majority in the House of Representatives. The result is stalemate.

 

Hitler was quite bad

for me personally he's a big disappointment - he promised so much and has delivered so little but as others have said that could be more due to the stalemate in both houses   either way I don't like him 

 

Michelle on the other hand would make a cracking President   she's brilliant 

What happened to the closure of Guantanamo Bay?

Last year the 'red line' would not be over stepped without repercussions. Now it's happened, he's doing.......well nothing.

 

I don't quite buy him being 'neutered' by the other house, practically no other Democrat would ever have had any success; where would be the point in voting?

 

...and yes Tony Blair was a big disappointment as well, whereas Hitler turned out to be just as promised in 'Mein Kampf'.

 

 

 

I'm not so sure about Tony Blair. Disappointment? Those of us in the party could see it coming. I well remember electing a local teacher to be a prospective candidate. The decision was overturned and an approved candidate parachuted in. Mysterious men in suits appeared from nowhere, and families who had given years to the Labour/trade Union movement were suddenly branded as commies! My biggest disappointment was Gordon Brown. We waited for him to come and sweep away Blarite/Thatcherism but he carried it on and the system remained unregulated. History will be kind to Brown as the man who saved the capitalist system! Ironic isn't it? I'm sure that Hitler is a good call too. One can imagine many parents writing into the Bottrop Gazette saying, "Does that Herr 'itler one realise that he is a role model to many German children? Etc. usw.

You might be right GJ. My myopic view of Hitler comes from a background of being German post war and having a father who was a CDU member. As for Blair, I moved to Britain in '79 and had to endure Thatcher and the fall out, so I may have been a bit wet behind the ears as to modern day Labour and was more than willing to embrace him, not for long though.

 

Edit: I wonder what would have happened under Smith.

I always said that  Vote Obama get Blair....another style over substance politician. There isn't much that Obama can do now in this second term, he's a dead duck in the USA and mistrusted everywhere else

He was trumpeted in like no other.

 

Just another politician.

 

I can think of a load more worse 

We may like to think and believe that America is now a  country at peace with it's self ,and that blacks enjoy  a racially equal country, after all they elected a black president, so now the whole world can witness how far that country has come in the 50 years, since Martin Luther King made his 'I have a dream' speech.

And from that start they have come a very long way, but let's not believe that there is no segregation any more, segregation for many who  ruled over other, lesser(?) people still have segregated minds.

I don't know if a policy put forward by the Obama administration would have fared any better with a  different leader, but I also am not so sure that the idea that  equality , equality in ever individual's mind,  has opened minds enough to embrace a blackman making policy for  white folks to live by.

 

 

Can we illegally go to war with Syria against UN rules...YES WE CAN.

Yes, he was a disappointment...and I had such high hopes for him as well.

I think Starlin might have something to say about that...

 

 

Seriously scary stuff 

 

 

Earlier today Downing Street confirmed the Ministry of Defence was drawing up "contingency plans" for the use of military force, possibly in the form of air strikes or a missile strikes, against the Syria regime.

A spokesperson for the prime minister said any response by the United Kingdom, United States and other members of the international community to the use of chemical weapons would be "something that is proportionate".

I agree, it is scary stuff.

They just don't listen to anyone who has a different point of view about Syria...it's "war war war" that's all they seem to hear, I don't even think the Syrian leader has anything to do with the latest Chemical attack, I think it's the rebel fighters that are doing this to get the world angry and give them weapons (which would also be an insane thing to do).

I think we have to understand that the last few administrations over here, and particularly over the pond are piss poor at Global Politics. The major mistakes seem to have been a) supporting Bin Laden against Russia and b) deliberately destabilising Iraq. Here comes the next one.

Have to disagree on both Garage Joe!  IMO, even the most pessimistic 'seen it all before' lefty voters would have struggled to predict that a Labour PM who "didn't do God" and argued for the 'third way' in international affairs pre 1997, would have ended up exceeding the US arse kissing of the Tories 1979-97, and to a Republican born again bigoted right wing idiot hick!

 

I didn't view Brown as a saviour nor as a disappointment.  His policies were slightly to the left of Tony's.  He was almost as strong in his faith of the capitalist market to deliver prosperity as Blair.  When the crap hit the fan, Brown bailed out the banks not because he loved bankers, but because he could see that not doing so would lead to millions not being paid and a financial meltdown.  Brown spent big to keep the economy on the tracks at a very key time. I'd hate to imagine what would have happened if idiots like Cameron and Osborne had been in office during the credit crunch.

 

 

I'm not sure how you can disagree with part one. You weren't in our constituency in the nineties. In general I agree with Lord Sugar, in that history will be kind to Gordon Brown. He did a great job at that point, as you would expect from an economist. But don't forget that we all thought he was going to be a left wing saviour.