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Originally Posted by moonie:
Originally Posted by Pengy:

I have a feeling we're going to hear a lot more about stories like this

I do too Pengy because after the Greek case people will be looking closer at children with "unusual" hair and eye colours compared to their parents. Especially in the Roma community.

if they have done something dodgy I bet they'll be straight out to get hair dye.. obviously these stories are making people more vigilant and reporting something not quite right but it will also have the effect of making the bad people do more to hide things too ..

Mount Olympus *Olly*
Originally Posted by moonie:
Originally Posted by Pengy:

I have a feeling we're going to hear a lot more about stories like this

I do too Pengy because after the Greek case people will be looking closer at children with "unusual" hair and eye colours compared to their parents. Especially in the Roma community.

People used to ask me where I got my boys cos they were both blonde with blue eyes, my husband and I have blue eyes but very dark hair, I'd have to explain that my husband was blonde into his late teens..now we get asked where we got them cos they are both really taller than us though both their hair colours have turned dark..

stonks
Originally Posted by Mount Olympus *Olly*:
Originally Posted by moonie:
Originally Posted by Pengy:

I have a feeling we're going to hear a lot more about stories like this

I do too Pengy because after the Greek case people will be looking closer at children with "unusual" hair and eye colours compared to their parents. Especially in the Roma community.

if they have done something dodgy I bet they'll be straight out to get hair dye.. obviously these stories are making people more vigilant and reporting something not quite right but it will also have the effect of making the bad people do more to hide things too ..

I agree Olly

Moonie
Originally Posted by Roger the Alien (fka noseyrosie):

Wonder why the Roma want blonde children  A superstition thing? In China they used to think blonde haired people were Gods or lucky.

 

Actually I hope some abducted children have ended up with the Roma. Its better than the alternatives.

I'm not sure and it's pure speculation but because they're cute and blonde people tend to give more money while the child is out begging 

FM
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by Roger the Alien (fka noseyrosie):

Wonder why the Roma want blonde children  A superstition thing? In China they used to think blonde haired people were Gods or lucky.

 

Actually I hope some abducted children have ended up with the Roma. Its better than the alternatives.

I'm not sure and it's pure speculation but because they're cute and blonde people tend to give more money while the child is out begging 

Oh yeah that would make sense...

FM

Imagine the joys I've had with my blonde hair and blue eyes taking my dark skinned, dark eyed son through passport control, especially when I had my married passport and his surname had not then been changed.  He actually got took to one side and questioned going through Gatwick once, he was 7 or 8 at the time. And when we took him to the Dominican when he was only 5 he went the darkest I've ever seen him go & I joked at the time that they wouldn't let us take him back out of the Country.

Cinds
Originally Posted by Cinds:

Imagine the joys I've had with my blonde hair and blue eyes taking my dark skinned, dark eyed son through passport control, especially when I had my married passport and his surname had not then been changed.  He actually got took to one side and questioned going through Gatwick once, he was 7 or 8 at the time. And when we took him to the Dominican when he was only 5 he went the darkest I've ever seen him go & I joked at the time that they wouldn't let us take him back out of the Country.

Oh my...

FM
Originally Posted by Roger the Alien (fka noseyrosie):
Originally Posted by Cinds:

Imagine the joys I've had with my blonde hair and blue eyes taking my dark skinned, dark eyed son through passport control, especially when I had my married passport and his surname had not then been changed.  He actually got took to one side and questioned going through Gatwick once, he was 7 or 8 at the time. And when we took him to the Dominican when he was only 5 he went the darkest I've ever seen him go & I joked at the time that they wouldn't let us take him back out of the Country.

Oh my...

I'm amazed Angelina can ever leave the country

Saint

Sky are reporting that Bulgarian woman that was alleged to be Maria's birth mother has been confirmed Maria as her biological daughter 

 

Maria: Bulgarian Couple Are Roma Girl's Parents

A Bulgarian woman, with up to 10 children, is confirmed as the biological mother of a mystery girl found at a Greek Roma camp.

Bulgarian Roma Sashka Ruseva holds her son Atanas as she speaks to media outside her house in the town of Nikolaevo

Sasha Ruseva and her daughter Maria, who was found on a Roma camp

 

DNA tests have confirmed that a Bulgarian couple are the biological parents of a mystery girl found in a Greek Roma camp.

Samples showed that Sasha Ruseva and Atanas Rusev were the biological parents of Maria, the blonde child who made global headlines after being spotted in Athens.

Ms Ruseva has said she gave birth to a baby girl four years ago in Greece while working as an olive picker.

BULGARIA-GREECE-CRIME-CHILDREN-ROMAA picture of two of Maria's siblings in Bulgaria

She said she gave the child away because she was too poor to care for her but insisted she did not get paid.

However, she has also reportedly told one of her neighbours that she sold the child for the equivalent of around ÂĢ213.

She recognised Maria when her discovery was reported in the media, she said.

According to reports Mrs Ruseva, who is married and lives in the central Bulgarian town of Nikolaevo, has as many as 10 children.

A poster of Maria is seen in the office of the "Smile of the Child" charity in AthensA hunt was launched for the girl's parents after she was spotted in Greece

Five of those children are blonde, and even closely resemble the girl found at the camp last week.

Maria's case came to light when Greek police noticed the lack of resemblance between the blonde girl and the adults she was staying with in Athens.

Today's confirmation comes after police arrested a childless couple in Greece on suspicion of buying a baby girl and trying to register her as their own.

The couple were arrested in Athens after they allegedly paid a Roma woman 4,000 euros (ÂĢ3,400) for the baby, a Greek police statement said.

Authorities are looking for the baby's birth parents.

The suspects, aged 53 and 48, were expected to be charged with child abduction.

Under Greek law this includes cases where a minor is voluntarily given away by its parents outside the legal adoption process.

FM

Todays Sunday Times breaks ranks..

 

Madeleine clues hidden for 5 years
The new prime suspect was first singled out by detectives in 2008. Their findings were suppressed. Insight reports The Sunday Times Insight team Published: 27 October 2013 Comment (0) Print Madeleine disappeared from the Praia da Luz resort in May 2007Madeleine disappeared from the Praia da Luz resort in May 2007 (Adrian Sheratt) THE critical new evidence at the centre of Scotland Yard’s search for Madeleine McCann was kept secret for five years after it was presented to her parents by ex-MI5 investigators.
The evidence was in fact taken from an intelligence report produced for Gerry and Kate McCann by a firm of former spies in 2008.
It contained crucial E-Fits of a man seen carrying a child on the night of Madeleine’s disappearance, which have only this month become public after he was identified as the prime suspect by Scotland Yard.
A team of hand-picked former MI5 agents had been hired by the McCanns to chase a much-needed breakthrough in the search for their missing daughter Madeleine.
Click to enlarge 10 months after the three-year-old had disappeared from the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz, and the McCanns were beginning to despair over the handling of the local police investigation. They were relying on the new team to bring fresh hope.
But within months the relationship had soured. A report produced by the investigators was deemed “hypercritical” of the McCanns and their friends, and the authors were threatened with legal action if it was made public. Its contents remained secret until Scotland Yard detectives conducting a fresh review of the case contacted the authors and asked for a copy.
They found that it contained new evidence about a key suspect seen carrying a child away from the McCanns’ holiday apartment on the night Madeleine disappeared.
This sighting is now considered the main lead in the investigation and E-Fits of the suspect, taken from the report, were the centrepiece of a Crimewatch appeal that attracted more than 2,400 calls from the public this month.
One of the investigators whose work was sidelined said last week he was “utterly stunned” when he watched the programme and saw the evidence his team had passed to the McCanns five years ago presented as a breakthrough.
The team of investigators from the security firm Oakley International were hired by the McCanns’ Find Madeleine fund, which bankrolled private investigations into the girl’s disappearance. They were led by Henri Exton, MI5’s former undercover operations chief.
Their report, seen by The Sunday Times, focused on a sighting by an Irish family of a man carrying a child at about 10pm on May 3, 2007, when Madeleine went missing.
An earlier sighting by one of the McCanns’ friends was dismissed as less credible after “serious inconsistencies” were found in her evidence. The report also raised questions about “anomalies” in the statements given by the McCanns and their friends.
Exton confirmed last week that the fund had silenced his investigators for years after they handed over their controversial findings. He said: “A letter came from their lawyers binding us to the confidentiality of the report.”
He claimed the legal threat had prevented him from handing over the report to Scotland Yard’s fresh investigation, until detectives had obtained written permission from the fund.
A source close to the fund said the report was considered “hypercritical of the people involved” and “would have been completely distracting” if it became public.
Kate and Gerry McCann: now officially not suspects, say the Portuguese authoritiesKate and Gerry McCann: now officially not suspects, say the Portuguese authorities (Adrian Sheratt) Oakley’s six-month investigation included placing undercover agents inside the Ocean Club where the family stayed, lie detector tests, covert surveillance and a forensic re-examination of all existing evidence.
It was immediately clear that two sightings of vital importance had been reported to the police. Two men were seen carrying children near the apartments between 9pm, when Madeleine was last seen by Gerry, and 10pm, when Kate discovered her missing.
The first man was seen at 9.15pm by Jane Tanner, a friend of the McCanns, who had been dining with them at the tapas bar in the resort. She saw a man carrying a girl just yards from the apartment as she went to check on her children.
The second sighting was by Martin Smith and his family from Ireland, who saw a man carrying a child near the apartment just before 10pm.
The earlier Tanner sighting had always been treated as the most significant, but the Oakley team controversially poured cold water on her account.
Instead, they focused on the Smith sighting, travelling to Ireland to interview the family and produce E-Fits of the man they saw. Their report said the Smiths were “helpful and sincere” and concluded: “The Smith sighting is credible evidence of a sighting of Maddie and more credible than Jane Tanner’s sighting”. The evidence had been “neglected for too long” and an “overemphasis placed on Tanner”.
The new focus shifted the believed timeline of the abduction back by 45 minutes.
The pictures of a man who may have taken Madeleine were drawn up in 2008The pictures of a man who may have taken Madeleine were drawn up in 2008 (Adrian Sheratt) The report, delivered to the McCanns in November 2008, recommended that the revised timeline should be the basis for future investigations and that the Smith E-Fits should be released without delay.
The potential abductor seen by the Smiths is now the prime suspect in Scotland Yard’s investigation, after detectives established that the man seen earlier by Tanner was almost certainly a father carrying his child home from a nearby night creche. The Smith E-Fits were the centrepiece of the Crimewatch appeal.
One of the Oakley investigators said last week: “I was absolutely stunned when I watched the programme . . . It most certainly wasn’t a new timeline and it certainly isn’t a new revelation. It is absolute nonsense to suggest either of those things . . . And those E-Fits you saw on Crimewatch are ours,” he said.
The detailed images of the face of the man seen by the Smith family were never released by the McCanns. But an artist’s impression of the man seen earlier by Tanner was widely promoted, even though the face had to be left blank because she had only seen him fleetingly and from a distance.
Various others images of lone men spotted hanging around the resort at other times were also released.
Nor were the Smith E-Fits included in Kate McCann’s 2011 book, Madeleine, which contained a whole section on eight “key sightings” and identified those of the Smiths and Tanner as most “crucial”. Descriptions of all seven other sightings were accompanied by an E-Fit or artist’s impression. The Smiths’ were the only exception. So why was such a “crucial” piece of evidence kept under lock and key?
The relationship between the fund and Oakley was already souring by the time the report was submitted — and its findings could only have made matters worse.
As well as questioning parts of the McCanns’ evidence, it contained sensitive information about Madeleine’s sleeping patterns and raised the highly sensitive possibility that she could have died in an accident after leaving the apartment herself from one of two unsecured doors.
There was also an uncomfortable complication with Smith’s account. He had originally told the police that he had “recognised something” about the way Gerry McCann carried one of his children which reminded him of the man he had seen in Praia da Luz.
Smith has since stressed that he does not believe the man he saw was Gerry, and Scotland Yard do not consider this a possibility. Last week the McCanns were told officially by the Portuguese authorities that they are not suspects.
The McCanns were also understandably wary of Oakley after allegations that the chairman, Kevin Halligen, failed to pass on money paid by the fund to Exton’s team. Halligen denies this. He was later convicted of fraud in an unrelated case in the US.
The McCann fund source said the Oakley report was passed on to new private investigators after the contract ended, but that the firm’s work was considered “contaminated” by the financial dispute.
He said the fund wanted to continue to pursue information about the man seen by Tanner, and it would have been too expensive to investigate both sightings in full — so the Smith E-Fits were not publicised. It was also considered necessary to threaten legal action against the authors.
“[The report] was hypercritical of the people involved . . . It just wouldn’t be conducive to the investigation to have that report publicly declared because . . . the newspapers would have been all over it. And it would have been completely distracting,” said the source.
A statement released by the Find Madeleine fund said that “all information privately gathered during the search for Madeleine has been fully acted upon where necessary” and had been passed to Scotland Yard.
It continued: “Throughout the investigation, the Find Madeleine fund’s sole priority has been, and remains, to find Madeleine and bring her home as swiftly as possible.”
Insight: Heidi Blake and Jonathan Calvert
FM

what I can't understand, and is the bit that sticks out the most for me in that report, is that if one of their friends went back to check on her own kids wouldn't you check on all your friends kids too at the same time? That to me would be at least a half sensible set up to have if you are going to leave your kids alone and unsupervised while you all go off gallivanting

Mount Olympus *Olly*

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