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Originally Posted by KaffyBaffy:
Originally Posted by Cinds:
Originally Posted by KaffyBaffy:
Originally Posted by MrsH:

 

utter scum 

 

breakfast news reported he even tried to make money out of the shrine set up outside the house 

it's ok though... because they were excellent parents apparently 

Well I won't claim to be the worlds best parent, but I know I wouldn't set my house on fire knowing my child was inside.  Excellent parents my arse. 

Crazy isn't it?   How can an educated person come out with such claptrap - I know everyone's entitled to a legal defence etc, but I'm not sure how a barrister copes if they get someone off with stuff like this knowing they're guilty

Always struggle with that, it's a bloody game, nothing to do with justice. I have no sympathy with either of them, they're grown ups, he's an * insert swear words*, but, frankly, I'm sick of women in these kind of situations being conveyed as  helpless victims: she went along with it, but more importantly, even after her kids were all dead, she still lied and stuck by him and I see no real remorse from either of them

FM
Originally Posted by Supes:
Originally Posted by KaffyBaffy:
Originally Posted by Cinds:
Originally Posted by KaffyBaffy:
Originally Posted by MrsH:

 

utter scum 

 

breakfast news reported he even tried to make money out of the shrine set up outside the house 

it's ok though... because they were excellent parents apparently 

Well I won't claim to be the worlds best parent, but I know I wouldn't set my house on fire knowing my child was inside.  Excellent parents my arse. 

Crazy isn't it?   How can an educated person come out with such claptrap - I know everyone's entitled to a legal defence etc, but I'm not sure how a barrister copes if they get someone off with stuff like this knowing they're guilty

Always struggle with that, it's a bloody game, nothing to do with justice. I have no sympathy with either of them, they're grown ups, he's an * insert swear words*, but, frankly, I'm sick of women in these kind of situations being conveyed as  helpless victims: she went along with it, but more importantly, even after her kids were all dead, she still lied and stuck by him and I see no real remorse from either of them

funnily enough I asked a barrister friend of mine that self same question today and their answer was: that it's rare for a client to actually tell them they are guilty and if they did, you can't run a positive case, but you can test the evidence.  It seems the evidence then becomes crucial.


In Court, you can't say for instance ' You are wrong to say you saw the defendant loading the stolen gear into the car when you looked out of your bedroom window' to a witness on the stand.  However you can say 'You can't be sure who you saw, because it was dark, you had just woken up, and you hadn't put your glasses on'.  If the witness says 'No, I can't be sure', the identification is knocked out.


So it's their job to attack the evidence not the client in that case, but they are duty bound to mount a defence on the evidence not the admission of guilt by their client   So I guess they feel their conscience is clear??? 

FM
Originally Posted by Cinds:
Originally Posted by Pengy:
Originally Posted by Aimee:

He's got to serve minimum of 15 years 

he'll be out in under 7 

Life with a minimum of 15, I always thought meant he is not eligible to apply for parole until he has served 15 years.

It does, cinds  - the other two can apply for a parole after half their sentence (that's standard for any sentence if the judge hasn't specified a minimum term to be served)

Kaffs
Originally Posted by Supes:

Simple fact is: people lie and barristers look for loop holes 

pretty much - i like courtroom drama on telly.. the Good Wife is quite good at showing the conflict some lawyers feel between doing their job and getting someone who's guilty off... but this isn't drama.  I guess you just have to adopt a particular mindset to do the job properly.   I'm not entirely sure what that would be though.

Kaffs

Criminal Law Barristers are used to it.  They've seen the worst kind of human you can ever imagine.  There's  generally a formula they use....1 Remorse, 2, terrible childhood, 3. Personal change since being charged 4. Personal issues that should get a lighter sentence, ie personal illness, ill parent/child or some cases a new baby.

 

If you had a conscience about it you wouldn't get out of bed to do the job, so you keep to the formula, do the job and fly off on holidays with your millions   At the end of the day, you provide the formula, but it's up to the judge to sentence

Temps

 

Sunday People 

microphone and belted out the karaoke  track at The Navigation Inn in Derby

 
 

 

These are the shocking CCTV pictures that helped bring evil  dad Mick Philpott to justice, the  Sunday People reports.

They show Philpott laughing and crooning Elvis Presley’s hit Suspicious Minds  with the damning line “We’re caught in a trap” – just days after he killed six  of his kids in a house fire.

Pub customers watched in astonishment as the dad of 17 – dressed Blues  Brothers-style in black trilby and sunglasses – picked up a microphone and  belted out the karaoke track at The Navigation Inn in Derby.

His killer wife Mairead, also in a trilby, can be seen giggling as she sits  on his knee before joining him in a duet.

Mick and Mairead sat together at the top of  the picture

 

The CCTV footage, obtained exclusively by the Sunday People, provided police  with one of the final pieces of the jigsaw they needed to charge him with the  blaze deaths.

Police collected the film on May 30 last year, less than nine hours before  charging Philpott, 56, and his wife Mairead, 32.

Philpott was jailed last week for life for manslaughter while Mairead got 17  years along with pal Paul Mosley, 46.

The couple had played the part of devastated victims, wiping away crocodile  tears and feigning grief in front of the media just days after a blaze ripped  through the family semi in Derby on May 11.

Philpott claimed the fire had been instigated by an arsonist.

Mick Philpott and his wife MaireadCrocodile tears: Mick Philpott and his wife  Mairead

Andy Stenning / Daily Mirror

 

But on the evening of May 26 – just 15 days after the devastating house fire  he had started deliberately with petrol – Philpott let his facade slip.

The pair sauntered into the pub at around 4.30pm, happily downing vodka shots  and Jack Daniels and Coke before getting on the karaoke to sing the 1975 Elvis  classic.

The pair were unaware the pub’s CCTV cameras were picking up the entire  brazen performance – turning the police’s murder investigations firmly on  them.

The song Suspicious Minds is about a couple’s mistrusting and dysfunctional  relationship, and the need to overcome their problems.

Philpott sang the lyrics: “We’re caught in a trap, I can’t walk out, because  I love you too much baby.”

CCTV of Mick Philpott in a pub beer garden

 

Navigation Inn landlady Jeanette Doherty told the Sunday People: “The two of  them were up dancing and having a good time.

“She was round the pool table grinding up against young lads.

“She was drinking Bacardi and JD as well as Malibu and Coke. He was drinking  JD and vodka.

“It was bizarre behaviour. It’s hard to imagine what you would do, but it  wouldn’t be going out drinking and doing karaoke.

“We had a party in celebrating a First Holy Communion. There were a lot of  kids there.

“At first people were just shocked that Mick and Mairead were even there. You  don’t expect to see a couple whose six children have just died to be out  partying.

 

“They were laughing and joking – it was just unbelievable. I don’t know how  they could live day to day knowing they had caused their six kids to die, let  alone go out enjoying themselves.”

Landlord Russell Doherty said: “I came in just after he had left.

“Everyone was saying to me ‘Guess who was just in here!’

“He was the most infamous man in Derby at the time. He was well-known even  before the fire.

“There was a guy up singing Suspicious Minds and then Mick Philpott picked up  the mike.

“He also sang My Boy by Elvis. People just couldn’t believe it. It was the  talk of the pub for days afterwards.

Shocking CCTV image of Mick Philpott  singing in a pub days after killing six of his children

 

“It made people think something strange was going on and there was something  not quite right.”

Philpott’s former pal Michael Garland, who was in the pub on the night, said: “I’ve turned to the lad that’s singing and asked him to stop because of the kids  being caught in that fire in the trap.

“And as I’ve turned to say that, Mick has come running past me and grabbed a  microphone and started singing ‘I’m caught in a trap!’

“When he’d finished I said ‘Mick you better go because people aren’t happy  with you’.”

After their callous show they went to the beer garden but their appalling  behaviour led to them being forced to leave the pub shortly before 8pm that  night.

Fellow drinkers were so suspicious they contacted the police.

 

 

FM
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