Hand on heart, yes. If I thought a woman had badgered her husband into taking her speeding points, told him that he would be to blame for her losing a chance of a job she had always wanted, put his name down on the form and made it impossible for him to do the right thing without dropping her in the sh!t, then yes, I'd blame her.

The only thing we know for sure is that he got her to take the speeding points, but the rest is all on her sayso, and we can't really trust what she says after her lies.

The only thing we know for sure is that he got her to take the speeding points, but the rest is all on her sayso, and we can't really trust what she says after her lies.

I think youre all looking into this far too deeply. The jury was made up of 8 women and 4 men...no wonder they had difficulty in understanding! Now had it been 8 men and 4 women....

Nice to see u lizzie oblong...and btw I totally agree with you

Okay, I believe you.

When i did Jury Service I felt rather poorly guided.

Well I did wonder if the Judge in this case has done his job properly. It is his duty to guide/direct the jury and it did seem to be a rather convoluted case. Quite surprising that the jury had so many questions ......I suppose it lets him off the hook if he can turn it around to make the jury look foolish. Heaven forbid that the Judge handled it badly.

I'm sorry Blizzie but the moment she agreed to take the points she became complicit in the crime. She committed a criminal act.

She should just have said a stern NO and refused to iron his shirts for a week...that usually works on me

Yes, but the question is was there marital coercion? Had he badgered her to take the points, had he tried to make her feel guilty for not doing it, had he written her name on the form against her wishes and was he standing there holding the pen, making her feel that she had no choice?

She should just have said a stern NO and refused to iron his shirts for a week...that usually works on me

See that one wouldn't work for me because I don't iron his shirts anyway.

She doesn't strike me as a woman who would be brow beaten into anything, Blizzie, but that's just the impression I've gained of her from everything I've seen and read in the media.

I doubt we will ever know the real truth of the matter, as those two liars wouldn't recognise the truth if it bit them on the backside.

Btw, in my earlier post I wasn't inferring you were a man hater, I see you more as a defender of women.

Yes, but the question is was there marital coercion? Had he badgered her to take the points, had he tried to make her feel guilty for not doing it, had he written her name on the form against her wishes and was he standing there holding the pen, making her feel that she had no choice?

No, I've never seen her as weak, but I don't think you need to be weak to get caught up in this sort of thing. People are assuming that she's a liar purely because of the lie during the taped phone conversation, but, as I said, she was trying to entrap him and had to lie in order to do so. I don't think that is fair and I don't mistrust her evidence based on that fact.

If she ended up feeling that she had no choice, that he would not forgive her for ruining his career (as he supposedly put it) and that, with her name already given to the authorities as the driver, she could only refuse by notifying them that her husband had lied, then I feel she is right to defend herself now.

Yes, she's shot herself in the foot by revealing the truth now, but I can imagine how angry she felt, when he left her, and I can't believe people have so little sympathy for her. 

I agree with you, Vids.  Now that's not something I post every day!

IMO, she comes across as a spiteful, vindictive witch whose only motivation was to destroy her ex, because he had the audacity to dump her. I don't believe for a second that she was bullied, or even persuaded into doing anything she didn't want to do.

I also agree that he is a cowardly liar, who was happy to twist the truth to save his political skin.

Poor guidance is one thing, but basically asking if they can base their verdict on supposition comes accross as somewhat mentally feeble!

I agree, on all points Yogi.... including not often agreeing with Video

No, I've never seen her as weak, but I don't think you need to be weak to get caught up in this sort of thing. People are assuming that she's a liar purely because of the lie during the taped phone conversation, but, as I said, she was trying to entrap him and had to lie in order to do so. I don't think that is fair and I don't mistrust her evidence based on that fact.

If she ended up feeling that she had no choice, that he would not forgive her for ruining his career (as he supposedly put it) and that, with her name already given to the authorities as the driver, she could only refuse by notifying them that her husband had lied, then I feel she is right to defend herself now.

Yes, she's shot herself in the foot by revealing the truth now, but I can imagine how angry she felt, when he left her, and I can't believe people have so little sympathy for her. 

Surely though, blizz - the type of person who would do what she's now done (strong imo...) isn't the type to meekly say 'ok' and sign if she didn't want to?

But why should we sympathise when we don't know the ins and outs of their relationship? He may have been a nightmare throughout, she may have been or maybe they both were. We don't know.

Of course we don't know any of that, but the break-up of any marriage is going to be sad, unless it is by mutual agreement.