There is a surplice of them too.

How crosier can they get? Etc.

42 out of 44 bishops voted in favour of there being women bishops.

About 75% of the clergy representatives were also in favour.

It was the lay representatives from the deanery synods who only voted 64% in favour - and as 67% needed to be in favour, the proposal to allow women bishops was defeated.

 

There won't be many people in the C of E who are happy about this including myself.

 

Grim news for the C of E.

oohhh lol

Crying shame.

There's more....... Ruff Luck.

Biretta luck next time.

I feel gutted for the income Archbishop Justin Welby.

im calling synod cops cos your jokes are awful

67% needed..    where did they get that figure from?   It seems a bit random 

I find it very depressing!  (Although at least El Loro's post show's there's some hope......I don't know who these "lay representatives from the deanery synods" are, but I don't like them )

 

I'm trying my best not to be too offended..... I'm not religious so I suppose it's none of my business.  But I am kinda offended...just a bit.  

Free Church of Scotland here.

 

A tough regime by any standards.

Same 

I'm just listening to this on 5live. One of the women voting against says she wants to go along with the bible. The bible didn't ask for a General Synode, bishops, vicars and the rest. Either the church sticks to the bible or it becomes progressive. You can't have it both ways. The only thing I could possibly let into my life is Zen, only because it sounds peaceful. I'm Catholic, but have been educated out of it. I'm glad now listening to these hysterical ppl.
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All joking aside, I'm never sure if these things really matter. I go along with Frank on this one. God probably doesn't need organised structures, gadjies dressed up in all the colours of the speculum, graven images, men in brown suits asking for money, or you ain't gwine to hebbin. If you want to talk to God, go direct.

What if you are living somewhere in a jungle, not yet discovered? Are these ppl going to hell? Of course not. Well, so long as they pray to the Yakka Plant. The Church (whichever one it is) takes itself so serious it becomes a caricature. I love my parents, but I wish they hadn't indoctrinated me the way they did. It took years to extract myself and there's still a bit of residue.

OK, watching this on the news now..,.   I understand the 67%..,.    two thirds of all of the voting people.,... 

 

 

Just out of curiosity ..      what would happen if the new arch bishop, or ?the Queen just said "enough...   sod the voting, going to over rule it all and allow women to be bishops"

 

I know there would be uproar, I know a load of them would leave...    but what is to stop that happening?

 

I thought the Church of England was set up by a monarch to accommodate do's & don't s that weren't part of the Catholic Church?

 

(I know that is a really naive question...  I am just curious)

If the new archbishop did overrule it, this would result in those against the idea of women bishops leaving the C of E. He wants to keep the C of E together - (united we stand, divided we fall).

Bit odd their boss is a wummin.

Wonders will never cease For once I agree with you GJ And it's God's will that matters not the General Synod or incoming or outgoing Archbishops.

Our ex pastor (now retired) had a wonderful experience as a young man in Africa.  There was a tribe newly discovered and when they were told about God they excitedly said 'we have been worshipping him for a long time', they were talking about the Being that they could see had created the world around them.  They were so excited to discover His name and find out more about Him and readily became Christians.

I'm sure that there are many things that we agree on.

Meanwhile I was brought up in low church, although I did not know it as low church until I moved to my current location. A simple set up in which I rang bells and sang in the choir. No fuss, no judgement, no pomp, lots of community spirit, and a simple worship of God.

I'm afraid that High Church finished me off. Call me old fashioned, but I'm also not a big fan of happy clappy, arms outstretched, I'm in a trance man, then go out and mess up your fellow man, worship either.

Today my paper states that the Church is in crisis. Last week it said that the BBC was in crisis. Neither are in crisis. The people in the middle East are in crisis.

 

I agree with you again GJ I hate churches full of pomp and fancy dress and coldhearted people with not an ounce of Christian charity in their hearts.  I go to a nonconformist church and really genuine Christians are the nicest people you will ever meet and they know that we don't have any reason to look down on other people far from it.  A real true faith and a friendship with Jesus Christ is the thing I treasure most in life.

hmmmmm...    the new archbishop is from Corporate World isn't he?

 

there has to be a part of him that is itching to have a bit of a restructure when he takes over the reigns 

Oh I adore the smells and bells of Mass. It ultimately boils down to personal preference, how one prefers to access ones Maker, what one carries in ones heart and how welcome one feels in communion. Put it this way, if this place was a church I would give up religion.

I never felt it was right to shove our religions down others throat, just as it wasn't right to take over countries. Watching the news just now, The Synod looks like Parliament. Religion, eh, backstabbing more like. If they can't show a united front, how do they expect to be believed. If they can't stop abusing children and covering it up, how do they expect to be believed. Pius XII was in Hitler's pocket, why would I have anything to do with a religion that produces that. The Classics all had a miriad of Gods to keep the plebs under the thumb. And then we have the old chestnut of 'where's the point'?

 

All the women should get together and start their own church and see if they attract all the followers.

If all the women, and their henchmen, who have been complaining about this actually went to church, they could overweigh the voting system in their own favour.

I am reminded of the people who regard the suffragettes with such respect and  then can't be arsed to go out and vote.

This made me chuckle

 

Prince Charles ‏@Charles_HRH

The CofE not allowing female bishops is a backwards move. Which is strange, as they normally move diagonally.

The C of E is unique as a religion in this country as it is the religious wing of HM Government and is as much a political institution as it is a religious one. 

 

Historically, the state wanted to institutionalise protestantism as the state religion so founded the C of E.  The C of E is given political favours like having members in the House of Lords.  In return, the CofE is in the pocket of the state when it comes to uncritical nationalistic support of the state's war efforts.

 

So it can conduct fancy ceremonies to glorify death and destruction in illegal wars but then gets all pious and God-fearing when it comes to women bishops or gay marriage.

 

It's absurd to swear allegiance to a female politician, the Queen, and then claim God regards women as less worthy of leadership within the same church.  It's also an contradiction of the Christian claim that God sees all as equal when it elevates a mortal politician as its leader by virtue of birth.  That implies the church sees the monarch as possessing an inherited divinity placing them closer to God.  Clearly indefensible utter b****ks!

 

The C of E should be disbanded.

 

 

 

Whilst we were brought up to call it, "The Tory party at church!" I've always thought of it as being a rather pleasant, laid back, yet open to debate, pursuit. It goes down as mostly harmless in my book. The noted philosopher Ian Anderson has some very good comparative observations on religion in his seminal work, Aqualung.

It should do as it's told.  If Dave wants gay marriages and female bishops then the C of E should shut up and have gay marriages and women bishops.  It can cut its ties with the state and do its own thing if it likes but it can't be the state's religion while flouting the state's will.