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Originally Posted by Ensign Muf:
Originally Posted by cologne 1:
Originally Posted by pirate1111:

each to their own

dont argue who's 'God' is bestestestist etc..

cos no one will ever win about an invisible person that dont

show up for the argument

S/He/It will never turn up and save us because there is is no such thing as God. After being bombarded by the religion, I decided that it was a nonsense.

It's gone past the time of the so called Messiah coming back and now it's the opium of the masses as predicted by Marx.

Seconded 

Can anyone person predict the future.....'god' knows I'm not sure what I'm up to on the morrow! 

slimfern
Originally Posted by kattymieoww:
Originally Posted by cologne 1:

I'm with katty. I was brought up by my catholic parents and nuns. Nuns in Kindergarten, Nuns in Primary School, Nuns in Convent. At the age of 15, I had that much education that religion didn't make any sense anymore. I am slightly jealous of ppl who believe because I imagine it's very comforting. I had to sort out my funeral with my daughter and had a small blipp about having it in a church (catholic guilt), but I'm sticking to my plans to have a humanist funeral and try to be as environmentally friendly as I can while I'm about it.

I attended the Humanist funeral of my elderly neighbour last Thursday,she was 85,the mother of my "hell bound"protestant friend.It was very moving,.two poems were used instead of hymns(which no one sings anyway)and her life was celebrated.

Both my mum ( lapsed Catholic) and more recently my dad ( christened in the Church of Scotland) chose to have humanist send-offs. We all found them a huge comfort and as uplifting as those kind of things can be.. it was all about them and their lives, like katty says, a celebration.  Very personal , moving, and , because of the people my mum and dad were, funny at times Good music too  

That's the way I'll be doing it . 

FM
Originally Posted by Ells:

As someone who lives in an area where you could get beat to death for walking into the wrong street because of your religion, I say YES it does more harm than good.  It is used as an excuse, yes, but without it there would be a lot less trouble.

 

I am Catholic but I disagree with the Catholic church on a LOT of it's views and am disgusted by how they abuse their power, however I do believe in God.  Not a God that only looks after one religion.  Just a God that is there regardless of religion, skin colour, background......anything.

 

Then I think of all the child murders and atrocities in the world, on a daily basis and the horrors that go on in countries that we hear very little about.  I've seen a mother question what kind of God would take her baby to heaven and leave a broken hearted family to wonder why and I question everything again   

 

I just don't know what to think a lot of the time.  I think I *want* to believe in the God I mentioned but then I doubt whether such a God would allow these things to happen.

 

 

Cos in the Catholic faith we are brought up to believe that everyone is lent to the earth until God needs them back, when we die we are meant to be going to a better place so should'nt be mourned....

stonks
Originally Posted by stonks:

My mother died this year and I do not believe in religion, I actually think its just a massive money making racket but I organised a non religious funeral but had one prayer and one hymn put in for her friends, the rest was just about my mother and her life....

That was a really thoughtful thing to do IMO. I went to a humanist funeral earlier in the year with my daughter. Although I'm not overtly religious at all (although I do sound it up there^^^) I found it a bit devoid of something because there wasn't a prayer.

 

Somehow I would have found a little prayer a comfort. I know that's a bit silly at a Humanist funeral but I suppose years of conditioning and expectation at these sort of rituals have an effect.

Soozy Woo

I was baptised,and confirmed, low church C of E, I sang in the choir and rang the bells. Maybe religion hasn't kept up with science, I don't know. I do know that if one rejects religion then one needs to find something rather strong to fill the void, or one needs to be strong to go without a faith. Otherwise we replace our religion with even dafter beliefs.

 

Garage Joe
Originally Posted by Soozy Woo:
Originally Posted by stonks:

My mother died this year and I do not believe in religion, I actually think its just a massive money making racket but I organised a non religious funeral but had one prayer and one hymn put in for her friends, the rest was just about my mother and her life....

That was a really thoughtful thing to do IMO. I went to a humanist funeral earlier in the year with my daughter. Although I'm not overtly religious at all (although I do sound it up there^^^) I found it a bit devoid of something because there wasn't a prayer.

 

Somehow I would have found a little prayer a comfort. I know that's a bit silly at a Humanist funeral but I suppose years of conditioning and expectation at these sort of rituals have an effect.

If it was left to me I'd have left all religion out but I thought there will be people there who believe and it would'nt be fair on them, strange thing is I had to make the decision of religion early on cos the humanist ones are cheaper, if you need any prayers or hymns in it costs more....

stonks
Originally Posted by slimfern:

Does it do more harm than good ??

 

I know it is a hot topic for some.....Woe betide me!

But as someone that has no religion...and as an 'Outsider' ....I just see it as a means to hurt folk! 

Religion shouldn't hurt folk. Folk hurt folk, folk use religion as a way to hurt folk.

 

Religion can be used and is used for good. It brings comfort to people, it brings community and belonging to some people. It teachs people.

 

So no, I don't believe Religion does more harm then good. Religion or belief doesn't do the harm, someones interupretaton of parts of some Religions can be twisted to please even the sickest minded people, to hurt people.

I'm not a believer have never really ever been a believer but I might envy people who can give themselves to something without question, wholeheartedly, and who get great comfort and solace from something I couldn't begin to imagine. Who believe and know through their belief that there is more, more to come...

Moonbeams

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