Whilst I agree that the big time fraudsters get away with stuff, I still get p'd off with people cheating the benefits system. and the Two wrongs don't make a right people with fake bad backs etc are the reason that people like the woman Dame's talking about have to jump through hoops (oh, if only) to get the help they genuinely need.
That's more or less what I was going to say
Whilst I agree that the big time fraudsters get away with stuff, I still get p'd off with people cheating the benefits system. and the Two wrongs don't make a right people with fake bad backs etc are the reason that people like the woman Dame's talking about have to jump through hoops (oh, if only) to get the help they genuinely need.
That's more or less what I was going to say
That's about right - I wanted to say something similar but couldn't find the right way to say it.
Can't quote, but sparkles.. people who stay on I.B. when they could work because they've got used to it? sorry.. but they are lazy scroungers, and I don't see how you can dress that up any other way.
I'm not saying that it's right that they do stay on I.B. if they can do *some* kind of job Kaffy. I'm just saying that people who have worked 25 to 30 years have already proved that they are not lazy dole scroungers. What I am saying is that they get used to being on it and find it hard to get off it, as they get used to being at home, and getting paid as much as they would at home. So I do stick by what I say there. JMO of course. I'm not dressing anything up, just saying not everyone on I.B is a lazy dole scrounger. They get caught in a benefit trap, like many on the dole do.
Absolutely agreed but, this woman was pretending her kids were disabled
Wonders what exactly they had to do in order to go along with that
Cheats and fraudsters are the same in every layer of society and the whole lot of them should be brought to book
I've only just read the link .......................she invented ten kids!!! Dis i read that right? There is a difference between somebody who has a bit of a dodgy back and dragging it out a bit and a woman who invents 10 children and claims that the two real children she has are disabled. That is fraudulent and greedy and i have no sympathy.
Fraud goes on in all levels of life ....................the scale doesn't really matter IMO.
Cheats and fraudsters are the same in every layer of society and the whole lot of them should be brought to book
It's just never going to happen.
Cheats and fraudsters are the same in every layer of society and the whole lot of them should be brought to book
It's just never going to happen.
I return to Kaffy's wise words: two wrongs don't make a right
I've only just read the link .......................she invented ten kids!!! Dis i read that right? There is a difference between somebody who has a bit of a dodgy back and dragging it out a bit and a woman who invents 10 children and claims that the two real children she has are disabled. That is fraudulent and greedy and i have no sympathy.
Fraud goes on in all levels of life ....................the scale doesn't really matter IMO.
And, pretending her two real children are disabled particularly angers me, poor things
I think what I'm trying to say is that the introduction of The welfare state and benefit system was a revolution and changed/saved lives - a wonderful thing for those in need. For many reasons it has been stretched to breaking point over the last 20 years or so .....................IMO it is wrong to abuse the system - ultimately it's the most needy that'll suffer in the long term.
I don't like seeing stories of triumph plastered over the newspapers when cheats are caught (and they do need to be caught) - there are cheats in every layer of society ..............the scale is sort of irrelevant IMO. Cheating the system is wrong .....................excusing the poor who do it whilst poking the finger at the rich who get away with it doesn't wash with me. As someone up there said ....................two wrongs don't make a right!
People who cheat the benefit system make it far more difficult for those who do have a genuine case IMO.
Cheats and fraudsters are the same in every layer of society and the whole lot of them should be brought to book
It's just never going to happen.
I return to Kaffy's wise words: two wrongs don't make a right
Still ain't happening.
" I am not a tax cheat. Keep the faith."
Followed your link Dame!!!....started reading about that poor guy with the parasite in his face..feel a little bit sick now!!...
Followed your link Dame!!!....started reading about that poor guy with the parasite in his face..feel a little bit sick now!!...
Sorry lal, the link still takes me to Cameron's dad stashing away is money 
Speaking of DLA, watching Prime Minister's questions at lunchtime, Davy boy was questioned on taking a child's DLA from her with numerous complaints, including she can barely walk (sorry I can't remember exactly) and his reply shocked me. He said he was making the system fairer and easier 
, but maybe it's just me but his next statement left me totally gobsmacked he said he knew how difficult it was filling in the forms for DLA because he used to fill them in for his son.... now maybe some would say the Cameron's deserved the 100 and quid a week or whatever it is, but with 30 million sitting in your bank account would you think of claiming it....
Never hated a PM as much since Thatcher 
Don't agree with inheritance tax.
Followed your link Dame!!!....started reading about that poor guy with the parasite in his face..feel a little bit sick now!!...
Sorry lal, the link still takes me to Cameron's dad stashing away is money
Speaking of DLA, watching Prime Minister's questions at lunchtime, Davy boy was questioned on taking a child's DLA from her with numerous complaints, including she can barely walk (sorry I can't remember exactly) and his reply shocked me. He said he was making the system fairer and easier , but maybe it's just me but his next statement left me totally gobsmacked he said he knew how difficult it was filling in the forms for DLA because he used to fill them in for his son.... now maybe some would say the Cameron's deserved the 100 and quid a week or whatever it is, but with 30 million sitting in your bank account would you think of claiming it....
Never hated a PM as much since Thatcher
She was a witch.
But how many innocents did she kill compared to Blair?
End of story.
She was a witch.
But how many innocents did she kill compared to Blair?
I agree Velvet, and never agreed with Iraq, but in all honestly if the tories had been in power I'm convinced we would have still been in there
Agreed Dame 
But from Labour it was a shocker.
And I voted them in the 97.
Agreed Dame
But from Labour it was a shocker.
And I voted them in the 97.
didn't matter a jot Velvet...all sides would have followed whatever the USA said, we were in it whatever our feelings were. The first attack was the most shocking thing I have ever seen and likely to see in my life (I hope)
But we didnae follow..Blair couldn't get there quick enuff.
Cynical bastard that he is.
But we didnae follow..Blair couldn't get there quick enuff.
Cynical bastard that he is.
not sure that we led Velvet, but I'm sure as the Pope prays we would have still been in there whichever party held power
I still hate what Cameron is doing to the most in need, the greedy smug git....RIP (as we knew it) the National Health Service too
I agree 
Couple of miles north and you'll get a third option 
I'll put a word in for you at our Home Office.
I agree
Couple of miles north and you'll get a third option
I'll put a word in for you at our Home Office.
Next time I'm up there....I'll forget the train and heading up in a removal van 
I will say this one thing though.
Am I a nationalist?
NO.
I was born in Britain.
